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Review by raitchison See Profile

  • Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA, USA
  • Business customer Business customer
  • Cost: $300 per month (24 month contract)
  • Install: about 30 days
  • Telco party SBC
  • CLEC party: MPower Communications
None
Shady sales rep, pushy sales mgr, bully tactics, disorganization, stupidity
This is an example of why CLEC is a four letter word
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**This is a long one but you better read it if you are considering switching to Mpower**

Sales rep came calling offering a "package deal including all local & long distance as well as SDSL for a "low low price". The sales rep even "guaranteed" a full 1024k up/down speed and wrote it on the contract.

I was extremely clear of my requirements: 4 public static IPs, that the working fine for the past 6 years Pac Bell line was going to stay in at least long enough to switch all the NS records over to the new IPs and ensure the circuit worked.

As sonn as the contract was singed it was clear they were at best clueless. Even though I explicitly stated that I needed multiple static IP addresses to host services (DNS, Mail, WWW, etc) every time I called to try to set up the install they had a very difficult time getting past the thought that I was trying to assign an IP to every workstation in the office, kept asking me about what OS I was running and telling me about this new fangled technology called Network Address Translation

Once they were finally convinced that I needed 4 IPs and was in fact promised them they got stuck on the idea that they needed to terminate the Pac Bell DSL in order to even install theirs. Even after I explained to them that the Pac Bell DSL was staying for a while they had Pac Bell run new copper to the MPOE but not install a new jack, when I called the on that they said it was because the new line was of course going to use the jack the Pac Bell DSL was using now.

We ended up paying a wiring guy to run a new line & jack for their DSL, with them calling every other day pestering us on when we were going to get it done. After the new jack was in we scheduled the install for a weekday between 9am and 2pm, I was there until 3pm and had to leave, they came at 3:30. After we rescheduled they finally did the install.

The inintial speed was more like 300 up/down, comaplaining got it to 700 up/down, admittedly twice as fast as the Pac Bell upstream but half the speed of the Pac Bell downstream. Still nowhere near the promised 1024 up/down we were "guaranteed".

The new status is that they are claiming that the guarantees handwritten on the contract are unenforcable and unless we allow them to terminate all our Pac Bell voice & data circuits on our behalf they will cancel our contract and charge us more than $7000 as a cancellation fee ($300/mo x 24mo)

Honestly I don't have a clue why they are being so insistent that the Pac Bell circuits are terminated.

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Review by srive1 See Profile

  • Location: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, CA, USA
  • Business customer Business customer
  • Cost Contract price not specified.
  • Telco party Verizon (ex GTE)
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so many bad points that there is not enough room on this line to list them
Go to Afganistan, get tortured and beat to death, and you will be better off than doing business with MPower
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I had nothing but bad experiences with MPower. Every opportunity they had the bill was screwed up. I think I spent more time on the telephone with them trying to get my bill straight than I spent time sleeping. They would cash payment checks and not credit them to the account. After finally being fed up, I changed to another company and then after that I fought with them for two years. No matter what documentation I showed them, they did what they wanted to do and didn't care. 99% of the time they would defer calls to a different person who didn't know what was going on. They would constantly say that the office that needed to handle any corrections or errors was in Nevada and when I would call the number they gave me for Nevada, they would say that it had to be handled locally in Los Angeles. They hired a collection firm to harass us - and the collection company threatened us with physical harm saying they would come down to our office and beat up the employees if we didn't pay the bill ($420.00).

My personal experience and advice is that you be very careful if you decide to do business with MPower.

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der_panzer
join:2003-12-18
Lebanon, TN

der_panzer

Member

What?

Those threats of physical harm are a violation of federal law. Prosecute their sorry asses.

AColtsFan
join:2002-10-22
Indianapolis, IN

AColtsFan

Member

lol..

I know your really mad but that just sounds hilarious. Did they really say that? lol

Review by rviradia See Profile

  • Location: Atlanta, Fulton, GA, USA
  • Cost: $219 per month (12 month contract)
  • Telco party Florida Digital Network
  • CLEC party: MPower Communications
Mpower used to be good, FDN is bad
Florida Digial Network took over Mpower and service went downhill
poor routing, terrible reliability
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When we signed up with Mpower service was great, fast and reliable, then Florida Digial Network buys them out and moves everyone to their network and reliability and routing have gone down hill, I used to get less then 8ms pings to our 2 local data centers here in Atlanta, now I get 50ms because I'm now being routed through Texas & DC!!, they say nothing is wrong. On top of that they've had to replace our netopia modem/router 3 times now because it's gone bad.

Oh well, I'm leaving them now and going to try earthwave.

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Review by oomega1 See Profile

  • Location: Arcadia, Los Angeles, CA, USA
  • Cost: $99 per month (12 month contract)
  • Install: about 2 days
  • Telco party MPower Communications
Sales is good and takes care of you.
Tech support sucks and people who came to install was no good.
Lies a lot to me and customer service has too many departments that they can't help you.
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I had a good link with my sales person. But i've only been installed two days now. Bad thing is when he connected my dsl he disconnected all my phone lines. I found out later after he left he plucked out all my phone lines and took the jack that my phone was connected in. I took out the phone so they could install it there. I went to look at the outside and inside wiring. The outside was all okay, i even called sbc to see what my options were. The cut lines were from inside as it was shown to me. Mpower said they were willing to reinburst me, which i called again and they are not willing to(the department that take cares of reinburstment). As using this for business my phone line was more important to me. And yet they still are telling me that it is my problem and that i can't prove that its their fault. Shit they took the jack! i had my phone on! isn't that proof enough that the dsl shouldn't even be there in the first place? They are still blaming it on me. And i told them i can't stay with mpower like this cause they are trying to ruin my business. They told me that if i canceled with them that i would be charged penalties. I guess i may have to talk to my lawyer and work things out with them. Not good business practices. The supervisors were of no help. I suggest that if you have any problems mpower could yet be the worse case ever. They wont even come out to fix the problem. Even some of them said it was their fault. I had a lady tell me i had to prove it and that they always blame them and sbc doesn't know what they are doing. The installer for my dsl was VINCE. He denys that he has done anything wrong and some of mpower techs continues to say its all my fault and my problem while some say yea its most likely their fault and to get reinburst. Anyways either mpower is gonna fix it in a timely matter which is now! cause they wont even schedule something and work something out for me. I have to say their tech and customer service is the worse ever. Vince is still saying there is no need to come out and that its my fault. To mpower customers are somewhat always wrong and that its always other people's fault. I see why people have so many complains about fixing services with mpower. SUPPORT SUCKS @$$ with mpower.

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theedge22
join:2003-09-30
Chilliwack, BC

theedge22

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American Broadband

I've said it before and I'll say it again..American Broadband sucks! Here in BC, I pay $25/month CAN for 1500/640, and I never have problems.

Review by wildio See Profile

  • Location: Simi Valley, Ventura, CA, USA
  • Business customer Business customer
  • Cost: $150 per month (12 month contract)
  • Install: about 21 days
  • Telco party SBC
  • CLEC party: MPower Communications
Always on
Slow speed, HIGH packet loss, no one returns phone calls, over priced
Looking for another ISP
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This is an update to the below ... after posting this review I was contacted by an "account manager" or somone who said thats what they were. He was sorry for all my problems and promised to fix them all. Needless to say not a thing happened, not returned phone calls yet. In fact the only thing to happen is that my bill has gone from $135.00 a month to $150.00 a month. I have cancelled the service but they havent shut it off or made arrangments to pick up thier equipment. If you are looking for DSL service DO NOT get it from these people. They are a rip off and will leave you hanging.

ORIGINAL POST BELOW:

Order to install was ok. Once the installer got here he could not get the DSL running and promised he'd be back the next day. Never showed up ..... after I called he came the next morning and said he was here during the night and we had been running all day. We were working until 12am the night "he came", we never saw him ... Since then our speeds have been slow. The pricing on DSL reports was 1.1/1.1 for $135.00 mo. We are getting 300/300 for that price. After calling thier tech support, they let me know that they have me setup at 320/320 not for 1 meg service and that I need to call my sales rep and either have him make the call to bring my speed up or reduce my monthly cost. He also said that my noise ratio was all over the place (don't you think they should send someone out to fix it)? Called him a week ago and left a message like I always have to do. Haven't heard from him or anyone else. Wasn't supposed to be an installation charge, my bill has a $134.00 install charge on it. Service includes, static IP using Copper Mountain DSL modem.

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updated 22.3 years ago


Rob Froelich
join:2000-03-26
Saint Charles, IL

Rob Froelich

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provider problems

If you aren't gettting calls returned, why don't you try calling the office your "account manager" works out of and asking for his boss? That usually works for me, I get calls back then (I used to run carrier relations for Phoenix Networks so I know how to work the system). Keep calling back asking for someone higher until you get calls back, not calling back is inexcusable. As far as you noise margin, Mpower couldn't fix that if they wanted to, its a physical characteristic of the loop between you and your CO, which is under the control of you local RBOC. Nothing in the tariff says that RBOCs have to do anything to resolve noise problems on DSL loops.

Rob

Review by cat93 See Profile

  • Location: Oakland, Alameda, CA, USA
  • Cost: $359 per month (12 month contract)
  • Install: about 20 days
  • Telco party MPower Communications
  • CLEC party: MPower Communications
rapid setup and install
installer was uninformed, unhelpful. Account manager unreachable after initial period.
don't do it unless you have to.
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Mpower has some things going for it, easy to get going...no install fees, pretty stable overall. On the other hand, the service is expensive, the speeds vary on the slow side, and thus I can't help but feel that I am getting ripped off. And my account was set at 784 (instead of 1.2) for close to a month...and I still haven't recieved compensation or bill adjustment for that.

My account manager won't call me back anymore, so f**k it. Time for a new ISP.

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Rob Froelich
join:2000-03-26
Saint Charles, IL

Rob Froelich

Member

Escalate, Escalate Escalate

If someone won't call you back you need to call their office and ask to speak with their manager. If that doesn't work, keep going up the levels until you get someone that calls you back, I'd bet you wont' have to make too many calls to get a call back.

Rob

tkdras001
@mpowercom.net

tkdras001

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Re: Escalate, Escalate Escalate

If this is your method of dealing with your suppliers and vendors, it's no wonder why they don't call you back. (thus providing insight as to why you are recommending this method), frankly, I wouldn’t call you back either. Generally speaking the squeaky wheel does not get the grease. They get problems. As I read these postings, I realize, the customers don't fully understand what they’re getting and/or signing up for and then need the entire deal presented again just cause they rushed the sales rep out the door during the first presentation. Word to the wise, pay attention during a sales interview.

As a seasoned sales professional for over 12 years, my advice to anyone is not to immediately escalate to a manager without gently trying to contact your account reps. Then if you can't get a return call, then call the local office. You never make a friend by going over their head.

PS..I’m not an employee, just a knowledgeable, happy customer!

grendelum
@aol.com

grendelum

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Re: Escalate, Escalate Escalate

to expand a bit...

the squeaky wheel gets the grease...but the squeakiest wheel gets replaced !

Review by sexykat See Profile

  • Location: Oakland, Alameda, CA, USA
  • Cost: $160 per month (12 month contract)
  • Telco party SBC
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After they took my signature on the contract pacbell came out like clock
work
Mpower never told me they were coming mpower never called me to set up
installation. Mpower didnt return ONE phone call or 5 emails. I even
email vp of sales. they are going under. I will go with pacbell
MPOWER SUCKS

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scgisme
join:2001-04-07
Marietta, GA

scgisme

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So you reviewed a non-install and non-service?

Did you get the mpower service running at all. It sounds like you just had a bad experience with a local rep. and maybe you taking it a bit personal. Thanks for reviewing the fact that you don't like Mpower employees but it is the DSL that is what makes them good. Not their personality.






Review by sexykat See Profile

  • Location: Oakland, Alameda, CA, USA
  • Cost: $170 per month (12 month contract)
  • Telco party SBC
Worst service I can imagine
Worst service I can imagine
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After they tok my signiture on teh contract pacbell came out like clock work
Mpower never told me they were coming mpower never called me to set up installation. Mpower didnt return ONE phone call or 5 emails. I even email vp of sales. they are going under. I will go with pacbell
MPOWER SUCKS

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tonemaster
join:2002-03-29
Charlotte, NC

tonemaster

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good luck

This market got 30 day notice that they were pulling out beware






Review by Dave Chicago See Profile

  • Location: Chicago, Cook, IL, USA
  • Business customer Business customer
  • Cost Contract price not specified.
they're not Ameritech, Rhythms or Covad
poor communication, tech support
there are better choices
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The install went fairly quickly, but it was hard to get the email, DNS, etc. set up because they would only talk to the person who ordered it...the business owner. They won't talk to the tech staff until the owner of the company calls and authorizes, one name at a time.

We do have routed service, with one IP. They're hosting the domain, etc. That's on a Unix/Linux box, so when our web designer got sloppy and wasn't consistent with cases in links, the links broke. But their documentation doesn't tell you what they're hosting on, so she didn't know.

Network status is buried behind password protection, so it's hard for users to check if the problem is on our end or theirs.

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nix webcoder
@home.com

nix webcoder

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Fix the right problem

There are a whole host of questions a designer needs answers to when designing anything more complicated than a series of static pages ... and, IMHO, a series of static pages are simply a waste of money for a corporation.

Your designer didn't know to ask these questions or the name of the operating system would have come to her attention.Moreover, ordinary good coding practices would have avoided the problem no matter what the underlying OS.

She had a brain fart and you are defending it by blaming someone else.That means there is not only a problem with the web designer, but also with management.

Linux is pretty good at exposing incompetence.

Review by heeler7 See Profile

  • Location: San Antonio, Bexar, TX, USA
  • Cost: $200 per month (12 month contract)
  • Install: about 45 days
  • Telco party Southwestern Bell
None
Install took forever, billing not what promised, speed not what promised
If it were not for special circumstances we wouldn't have moved.
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The install was/is horrible!! Took 4 1/2 hours to install one DSL line. Left without ensuring each computer could connect to the DSL, setting up mailboxes, etc. Said that was our problem. Took 2 1/2 weeks to get the domain name location changed so we could receive emails properly. As a result of the domain name location debacle, which went beyond March 31, (the date we terminated our old DSL provider) we lost all unopened emails for five days. We still do not have our web page working because that also is not their problem! The speed is not what was promised (we were promised 1.5 and are getting 700-900). Another debacle is the voice lines. Installed 3 weeks ago and we are still having problems with clients getting the recorded message "This line has been disconnected"! Yes, you read correctly. Price above is only for DSL line, not voice lines and includes tax. Bottom line: Forget mpower unless you want a headache!

Our problems have NEVER been fixed and we are firing mpower as soon as we can get another carrier signed up!! I don't think it's that they don't want to fix the problem, they just can't. It is one thing after another!! Goodbye Mpower!

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Pierre25
join:2001-01-12
Appleton, WI

Pierre25

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What Mpower Offers...

I empathize with you as I am in the process of getting a DSL line from Telocity and have experienced numerous DSL installations.

However, Mpower is clear in it's responsibilities and obligations for DSL installs. Mpower's responsibility ends at the LAN port of the DSL modem (or at the Netopia Router, if needed). The install technician will connect to the Internet using your Static IP address (and obtain a private IP via DHCP if you request the Netopia router) to test the line. Domain Name transfer is the responsibility of the Domain Name registrar (Network Solutions, most likely). Obtaining a copy of and uploading your website to Mpower's servers is the users responsibility. Mpower offers two packages for bandwidth in most markets (Up to 1.5 Mbps and Up to 1.0 Mbps). If the user is not receiving the bandwidth they were sold, they may move down to the lower package.

I'm sorry about your experience, however, for others in the future...Please do not be so quick to disconnect service from your previous ISP so you do not lose services. It will save a lot of headaches.
yoda990
join:2001-03-23
Camarillo, CA

yoda990

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Pierre is serving a baloney sandwich

Excuse me, Pierre:

Your reply sounds like an attempt to boost M's ratings...Do you work for them??

The comment that the transfer of the domain name is the responsibility of Network Solutions and has nothing to do with Mpower may be true of a second rate provider. Now GTE, god forbid not the best in the west by any means, on the other hand totlly took care of that major pain at no charge.

I was considering switching my company from GTE to Mpower.
So, Pierre, I can only say...dont go into Sales as a career.

Pierre25
join:2001-01-12
Appleton, WI

Pierre25

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Re: Pierre is serving a baloney sandwich

I do not want to go back and forth with this as I see so many times on DSLreports.com. I do work with Mpower Communications and we use this website as a crucial tool for Mpower references for potential customers and to recognize unsatisfied customers. I simply wanted to let this customer and other readers know of what to expect from Mpower and offer some advise. It feel it was very appropriate for this area and not a sales pitch or SPAM.

I guess I do not know exactly what the purpose of your post was.

If the author of the original post would like to discuss this further, I would be very happy to talk with them. Please contact me through DSLReports.com. Thank you.
System

to yoda990

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to yoda990

To Heeler

Okay, here's the "scoop"...

Mpower is a "provider" of DSL. Most of those other companies that you named are "resellers".

Let's put it this way...

Suppose you want to purchase a "Ford"...You can't go to the factory to purchase a Ford. They will direct you to a dealership (reseller). There, they will sell you add-ons...extended warranties, scotch guard, alarm, etc.

Covad, Northpoint, and the others are/were factories. They had distributors selling for them. These distributors would install everything (LAN, Domain Name, wiring, and on and on....) That's why they charge so much monthly.

MPower is the "Factory". They sell directly. That is why they are so inexpensive. If the consumer needs all of the other "add ons", they need to either contact their vendor or look in the yellow pages.

handsome
@uu.net

handsome to yoda990

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to yoda990

Re: Pierre is serving a baloney sandwich

Heeler---
The provider doesn't hook up your computers unless you get your DSL through a vendor who does all of that. Also, Network Solutions does the domain transfers.....You are complaining about aspects that aren"t controlled by Mpower. I love my service. And you shouldn't be quoted speeds, although they do say UP TO 1.5 MG, that "up to" doesn't mean you are guaranteed it. Educate yourself.
heeler7
join:2001-03-06
San Antonio, TX

heeler7

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I agree with above...

All I know about changing ISP providers is this. We had Telocity voice and DSL before moving to MPower and had NO problems. And Telocity took care of everything, domain name transfers, installs, everything!! AND IN ONE DAY!! It has been 45 days and we are still having problems!! Take my advice, run the other way from MPower!

chicagoman
@mediaone.net

chicagoman

Anon

Re: I agree with above...

ive dealt with mpower as well and recently (since 4-12-01) , i turned my voice and data to them in the chicago market .
when i asked about speed they explained to me they never guarantee speed because the product is not only distance sensative but the condition of the copper also effects the speed , they also explained up front that
they dont do any inside wiring for what ever reason but they made that perfectly clear . i had my dsl in
3 weeks from the time i signed up with the rep , my phone bill went from $ 1000 dollers a month to
about $ 250 , in my mind that makes my dsl free and im quite happy with the decision i have made .
Im sure they have their problems now and then but it sure sounds like the message left above was from a sour competition...............
scgisme
join:2001-04-07
Marietta, GA

scgisme

Member

Don't always blame the DSL provider...

Some of these messages about how bad the installer was and how much lower the speed was yadda yadda yadda. You should probably get used to these problems as they are a normal headache in DSL no matter who provides it to you. There are countless issues that Mpower and other DSL providers have to contend with that makes this far less than a one size fits all option. We have 9 SDSL accounts at 9 different facilities and only one or two were installed without out contingencies failing (AKA Bellsouth has not completed the loop, the copper in the demark needing to be replaced (bellsouth also), load coils waiting to be removed (bellsouth also), among others) at first.

The bottom line is that if you order DSL from any provider and you bank on getting online the first date they give you for an install, you are foolish. You must be patient, but persistent while knowing there are simply some hold ups that cannot be sped up no matter who you complain to.

DSL is worth the wait and definitely worth the money. If you cannot afford the wait then feel free to pay $800 to $1500 per month for your beloved T1, but be prepared for far more headaches. I know this as we also have 2 T1 lines and they have errored packets on a daily basis and clocking problems every other month. Owe yeah, don't forget, you will also need CSU/DSU equipment which is quite a bit more expensive that any DSL router. Good Luck.

gowan2
join:2000-02-10
Cartersville, GA

gowan2

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Amen!

Dead center scgisme!

We too have dealt with many providers in varied locations and know the drill. Some are better (MPower, Speakeasy, Earthlink) and some are worse (Telocity, BigNet, BellSouth) but none are immune to the complexities of an infrastructure that controlled by many different corporations, based on lines that in some cases date back to the fifties.

DSL Reports should post the following their home page in huge burning letters:

"DSL can be fast, cheap and troublefree. It can also be slow, expensive and problem laden. Nobody can predict which it will be for you. P.S.: The world doesn't owe you DSL."

Sure there are rotten companies out there. There are also good ones. It's real life. Deal with it!

-gf
kradly1
join:2001-11-16
Irvine, CA

kradly1

Member

Help for troubled DSL users

Hey,
If you're still having trouble with Mpower's DSL, let me know. I had to deal with Mpower's tech support and I have a couple of really good people to refer you to. Let me know if I can help!