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Review by Pureblood See Profile

  • Location: PorkRoll NJ
  • Cost Contract price not specified. (12 month contract)
  • Install: about 5 days
Reliable
overseas call centers
as reliable as Fios for us but YMMV
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my review is based on dslreports sample questions:

Q) What package did you order, at what advertised monthly price?
A) Internet Only

Q) How was the order & install process?
A) quick & easy

Q) What brand/model was the supplied equipment?
A) GR140DG in bridge mode, using my own router & access point

Q) What good or bad experiences most struck you?
A) nothing, install went as stated and service is stable unlike our experience with Optimum coax wan

update: at 13 months in NO complaints on the service itself

member for 23.4 years, 9587 visits, last login: a few hours ago
updated 140 days ago


Review by Murdoc See Profile

  • Location: Piscataway, Middlesex, NJ, USA
  • Cost: $129 per month (36 month contract)
  • Install: about 3 days
  • No Cap
No issues with TV, internet service is generally good.
Optimum supplied router lacks some functionality. I've since upgraded to Unifi.
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The order process was smooth, tech came out and installed about 2 days after phone order. Tech was very professional.

All in all considering I pay a fairly low bill on promo, the service is worth the money.

member for 8 years, 1707 visits, last login: 11 days ago
updated 3 years ago


Anon2e737
@67.82.56.x

1 recommendation

Anon2e737

Anon

Optimum 2018

To tell you the truth I had a better and faster connection to the internet backbone the first year it was available.
It was $15/month for 15 meg service.
I've always been a single device user, just my PC, a TV and the phone.
You never had to wait for a webpage to fill in....EVER!
Now, sometimes on Friday-Sat. nights if I click on a new webpage my TV freezes for a half second! What the heck!
And now they're throttling Youtube after midnight (at least they were all fall)
1.5 meg download speed to Down Load a YT movie....What's up with that?






Review by InternetBat See Profile

  • Location: Basking Ridge, Somerset, NJ, USA
  • Cost: $75 per month (12 month contract)
Satisfactory ping (12-18 ms), jitter, download speeds are fine, allows your own router/modem
Upload speed congestion not handled for 3+ months, need to reach an American person for good customer suppport
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My Other Reviews

·Verizon FiOS
* Currently on promotional rate package with a reasonable rate of $75 per month
* The plant is currently being monitored by Optimum for upstream congestion, hoping for more upload channels or ODFM soon
* Slow upload speeds, otherwise no issues with services
* I use my own equipment -- Arris SB8200 modem and ASUS AX88U router.

Overall, 8.4 / 10.

UPDATES:
* On 06/02/2020, I got ODFM downstream (download) and download speeds are great (one step toward 1 Gig offering)
* 06/16/2020, 1 Gig offerred
* 06/23/2020, activated 1 Gig with UBEE1322
* 06/25/2020, activated Arris SB8200 with no issues
* Late July, activated Netgear CM1100 with no issues, discovers using small 28 MHz wide OFDM
* 10/05/2020, 4 D3.0 channels added
* 10/27/2020, node maintenance 20 minutes.
* Activated TM3402A with no issues. Also appears to support VOIP.

member for 3.9 years, 1759 visits, last login: 1 day ago
updated 3.3 years ago


GregNYR
join:2020-01-08
Brooklyn, NY

GregNYR

Member

Modem switch?

did you switch over from sb8200 to cm1100? Any reason?
InternetBat
join:2020-03-27
Basking Ridge, NJ

InternetBat

Member

Re: Modem switch?

I wanted to see octets going thru the channels and measure the size of OFDM Channel. I am provisioned 1 Gig but I never get 1 Gig
Zarrex
join:2020-08-25
Wayne, NJ

Zarrex

Member

Upload Congestion

Having a hell of a time myself with this garbage upload speed. Every night around 9pm my upload drops to maybe 1mbps

Anon1d463
@24.186.153.x

Anon1d463

Anon

I hate Optimum

I Hate hate hate hate hate hate hate optimum 1G coax cable. also their customer support sucks balls. The connections always drop. I wish I can get Fios Fiber optic....

Review by Julio See Profile

  • Location: Bronx, Bronx, NY, USA
  • Cost: $45 per month
  • Install: about 4 days
crazy fffffffffffffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssstttttttttttttttt!!!
I haven't found one YET!
if you don't have it get it now if it's available in your area!!!
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updated 3.6 years ago







Review by SHAG See Profile

  • Location: Budd Lake, Morris, NJ, USA
  • Cost: $55 per month (24 month contract)
Fast stable speeds. Allow BYOD.
Mixed service results over the years. Only product in area for internet.
Works. Must work with them to keep the price in check
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Had Cablevision / optimum / Altice 1 for 14 years. Recently dropped TV and Phone service from my line up since we went other directions for entertainment requirements. During our return process of TV equipment, we were offered a higher speed tier of service for lower pricing.

Original install tech that was dispatch had little training or not good in general. Had issues with using ladder and needed help with wire running. Overall poor experience and cablevision comped our install when we complained about it.
Mix of contractors and in house techs for other service calls. It seemed to always be a bad connection at the pole.
Major plant failure in local area about 10 years ago.
Cost of TV equipment and service cause our household to find other means of entertainment options.

Service in my area was very reliable since the issue from 10 years back. Speeds always consistent.
BYOD allowed for internet service.
Since service upgrade. fast speeds for Downloads.

Hope we don't need a tech for anything as there is nothing for them to troubleshoot. It will be on the pole or their network.

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Anonae956
@24.186.152.x

Anonae956

Anon

Optimum Sucks!!

The packets dropped constantly. Their maximum internet speed is pure BS, meaning you get 400Mbs download and 40Mbs for upload, what a waist of money. Why not match both at the same speed to make it fair. Now is the perfect opportunity for them to start rolling Fiber Optic into people houses or areas and guess what they are not using that. Optimum sucks!!!
SHAG
Premium Member
join:2010-12-04
New Jersey

SHAG

Premium Member

Re: Optimum Sucks!!

I pretty much agree they suck but unfortunately where i live I have no other choice for service. No Fios. No muni fiber. Hell wireless can be spotty at times. I don't expect OOL to build out fiber out here. It would be nice but I don't see it. I am starting to think fiber is being canned by all of these big players. Too expensive to essentially to be outdated by the next gen of wireless service. Fios got dropped like a hot rock a decade ago. MSOs sat on their HFC networks. Fiber kind of reminds me of DSL in the days in between Dial up and mass deployment of cable based internet.

My local area was effectively rehabbed several years ago. Prior to that, the local plant sucked constantly. Constant network outages and really slow internet. During that time, I was paying for 60 meg service we barely got 10 down. Most of my local service outages have been local area power failures not network failures for the most part. I am not saying I am not having any issues but I do expect issues from time to time. Most of the time I am getting paid for speeds. However, with all the changes with the company I don't expect anything better either. Hence why I say, it's going to be their problem going forward.

Review by Tursiops_G See Profile

  • Location: Norwalk, Fairfield, CT, USA
  • Cost: $62 per month
  • Install: about 1 days
  • No Cap
Ludicrous Speed. ;)
Nothing.
The best service available in Fairfield County.
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I have had OOL service since 04/09/2000 (Self-Install package from the Wiz), and with the exception of one or two incidents where my service was interrupted for any length of time (once from someone who connected illegally to the cable in my area, and once due to a squirrel eating my cable drop at the pole), It's been rock-solid.

As with ANY ISP, there are some occasional glitches, but they usually are resolved in a timely fashion.

All in all, OOL "blows the doors off" of xDSL service any day.

Update 2/24/09:
OOL has already started Upgrading it's Network for the upcoming DOCSIS 3.0 rollout...
Once the Upgrade is complete, it will provide even HIGHER Speeds than the current BOOST (30/5) Premium tier...

----

8/11/15 (Looong-Overdue Update) :
Summary:
March, 2012 - Received my FCC/Sam Knows Broadband monitoring 'Whitebox'.
Avg. Speeds: 17Mbps Down / 2Mbps Up.

May, 2012: Upgraded to BOOST+ tier, (+14.95 more/Mo.).
Avg. Speeds: 59Mbps Down / 8Mbps Up.

July, 2013: DOCSIS 3.0 Is in the House!!! OOL Upgraded (Grandfathered) me to the Ultra 101 tier. (No change in pricing)
Avg. Speeds: 92 Down /32 Up.

Aug, 2013 - May, 2014: Overall Speeds remain pretty consistent (86-92 Down / 31-35 Up). (Occasional hiccups here and there, Usually resolved quickly)

June, 2014 - OOL is Over-Provisioning now - Speeds: 103-117 Down, 37-40 Up!

July, 2014 - Nov., 2015: OOL has been very good in Proactively maintaining their Outside plant in this area... Lots of line crew activity, Upgrading, Ingress Reduction... Speeds are fairly consistent at 110-118 Down, 38-40 Up.

Update: Oct, 2016 - New Speed Tiers: Optimum 100/35, 200/35, 300/35 (Soon to be 300/50?) - Actually got a Price reduction of $5 with the new 100/35 tier (From Ultra 101 to Optimum 100) with no reduction in speed.

Update: Nov, 2018 - Optimum (now Altice/Optimum) is upgrading to DOCSIS 3.1 in some areas, and will also be upgrading it's infrastructure from HFC to FIBER. Crews have already installed fiber runs along the cable Hardline in my area. Just Waiting for FTTH to be announced...

Overall, *Very* Satisfied with OOL.

FINAL UPDATE: Nov. 2019 - OOL Internet Service still has been stable and reliable.
However, I will be leaving the Altice/Optimum service area as of December, 2019.
It's been a blast...

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updated 4.3 years ago


Attack Gypsy
join:2007-05-10
Milford, CT

Attack Gypsy

Member

News server

News server? You're complaining about a news server?

Of the 14 months I've worked there, I've had exactly 2, yes 2, calls about the news servers. Out of an estimated 11,000 calls I've taken.
tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY

tmc8080

Member

relax

Even if you are seeing fiber line deployment, don't expect service anytime soon, especially in CT...
Altice is moving the fastest in NJ (where Verizon has the LEAST amount of deployed FTTP, followed by NY, then CT..

Review by sandman9r See Profile

  • Location: Franklin Square, Nassau, NY, USA
  • Cost: $40 per month
  • Install: about 3 days
  • No Cap
Solid Internet Service
Altice One Mini Boxes Require Periodic Resets for Internet Connection
Customer for 20+ Years
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SEPTEMBER 2019
Although Optimum is no longer Cablevision and is now Altice, its new owners were smart enough to keep the original branding.

Their speeds remain consistently fast. I've shifted from console gaming to PC Gaming and there's never any lag. My Amazon and NetFlix videos are always in UHD 1080. The Altice One box has great range on its WiFi (my A1 box in my basement still gets me 3 full WiFi bars on the top floor of my home). I really like that you can connect an ethernet cable to an Altice 1 Mini Box. This gives you even better range and is very convenient for people like me who prefer ethernet over WiFi. Unfortunately, you have to periodically reconnect the main box to the mini boxes by pressing buttons on both boxes.

Overall, I remain very satisfied with my digital cable system.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

JANUARY 2014
Optimum, as an ISP is very, very underrated. I have nothing but the utmost praise of their internet speeds. At any given moment, I'll have a Kindle Fire streaming the Optimum App while I'm playing online with Xbox Live. Optimum's Netflix streaming performance is always in HD. Optimum's Amazon Instant Video is also always in HD. The speed I get is more than enough to handle all of these tasks simultaneously with ease.

60/25 is an absolute steal for the price they're charging me. Although my $29.99 promotion will be ending soon, I won't mind when I go back down to 20/5. Optimum doesn't promote it but their default speed is actually faster than what they advertise. Ultra 50 is advertised as 50/25 but my speedtest.net tests routinely hit 60/25. Similarly, the advertised 15/5 speed is actually 20/5.

I've had Optimum Online for over a decade now and they'll always have my business. I'm a very satisfied customer.

Optimum Speed Evolution: 10/1, 15,2, 30/5, 30/8, 50/8, 60/25

SEPTEMBER 2010
Optimum Online is still batting 1.000. The download speed is superb, the upload is just as fast, and the reliability is guaranteed.

No lie: This is still the No. 1, undisputed ISP in New York, if not America.

SEPTEMBER 2008
I've now been a very satisfied Optimum customer for 5 years. The speeds obtained from the service are so fast that I can boldly declare that I easily have one of the fastest connections in the northeast. Great service. No extended downtime for the years I've been a customer. The service has yet to disappoint although, to be honest, it sometimes does take a slight dip during peak evening hours.

While the threat from FiOS is enticing for some customers, I consider it a downgrade.

DECEMBER 2006
If pure speed is a factor in determining your broadband provider, Optimum is undoubtedly the best. It may very well be the fastest (and most reliable) residential service in the United States.

+Customer service via phone has improved
+Boost users aren't capped

-Some techs are not "tech-savvy"
-Online customer service is very limited

UPDATE: JUNE 2006
Although I was capped late last month, the service continues to be reliable and fast. My area was recently upgraded to Boost and the speeds alone have more than made up for the capping situation.

However, the fact that I have to monitor my upload to ensure that I'm complying with an ambiguous Terms of Service takes away from what is otherwise one of the fastest residential broadband services in the U.S. The categories above need to be changed to reflect a more accurate assessment of the service.

UPDATE: SEPTEMBER 2005
Although there were periods earlier this year when speeds took a slight nosedive, overall, the speeds were fast nonetheless. All problems have been (The Shining reference) *corrrrected* and my speeds now are faster than ever. Cablevision promises even faster speeds by early next year.

In the two years that I've had the service, I've yet to encounter downtime or technical problems. Therefore, despite any talk of competing services, I'm going to remain a satisfied Optimum Online customer.

UPDATE: SEPTEMBER 2004
I have yet to encounter downtime. Speeds have improved to about 9MB. I have bought a router and play my PS2 online while using two other computers at the same time. I have yet to be capped. I am extremely satisfied with Optimum Online so far.

SEPTEMBER 2003
When Optimum Online first advertised in the New York City area, I was very disappointed to find out that the service would take a while to get to the Bronx. However, the wait was definitely worth it.

I called and placed my order and within 3 days, yes 3 DAYS, I was up and running without any problems. This is a stark contrast to the nightmare I had with Verizon DSL which I never got running. I placed my order in May 2003 and it wasn't until September 2003 when I finally got A PHONE LINE. That's right, I didn't get DSL service, just a plain phone line. Absolutely unacceptable.

With this in mind, I expected Cablevision's service to be equally as bad. When I placed my order, I was told that they would be at my location the next day! I guess they knew that they owed it to me since I waited three years for this service.

The technician who came was competent and thorough. My service was running immediately afterwards.

On average, I get about 6MB download speeds and 1MB upload. I play my PS2 online and there is no lag whatsoever. I highly recommend Optimum Online for console gamers.

I have tried the tweaks that were mentioned on this website to boost speeds, but in reality, they aren't that necessary unless you are hardcore. You don't really notice the difference. My pages load instantly at 3MB as quickly as it would with 6MB or 10MB. Once you get used to the speed, you'll only realize when your service has slowed. This has yet to happen.

Overall, Optimum Online's service has been a perfect 10. If you live in the Bronx and want broadband, I guarantee you that you will not be let down.

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Theman2006
join:2003-05-06
Bronx, NY

Theman2006

Member

That's If

You Live in The Eastern Bronx As of most of the western Bronx has yet been wired for OOL or IO digital Cable.
newyorkslick
join:2001-12-19
Rosedale, NY

newyorkslick

Member

OO is only In Brooklyn, Bronx . . some Queens

NYC's Best Broadband Option?! Most of NYC doesnt even get OO?! RoadRunner is Fine and all but I want a crack at those 10 mbps Speeds!!!!
elementfire25
join:2003-09-02
Port Jefferson, NY

elementfire25

Member

Re: On Long Island too

They're here on Long Island as well, and are just as solid. They've done a great job. Tech support is flawless.

JRW2
R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Gary, Ziggy, Max.
Premium Member
join:2004-12-20
La La Land

JRW2

Premium Member

Check your calendar!

How can you post a review for September, when it is ONLY August!!

OOL may be great for you, but your post rings of CV employee!

sandman9r
Premium Member
join:2003-11-09
Franklin Square, NY

sandman9r

Premium Member

Re: Check your Calendar!

I am aware of that. I update my reviews every year right around this time in late August and early September.

somefiosforyou
@verizon.net

somefiosforyou

Anon

yea

consider it a down grade all you want.

dirtwarrior
join:2008-03-21

dirtwarrior

Member

I no right

ummm fios is ummm faster
domie193
join:2008-04-27
Nampa, ID

domie193

Member

Re: I no right

how did i know your cocky a$$ was gonna reply bragging about your overpriced FIOS?

Dogfather
Premium Member
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA

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Dogfather

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Re: I no right

It's really cocky of him to claim FiOS greatness, especially considering it took him 3 months, 12 missed appointments and 70 hours on the phone with tech support to get it installed...this according to his own posts. In his original FiOS review he said FiOS had too many problems to list »/r0/do ··· /vzj.jpg
said by dirtwarrior :
i hated VZ when i had dsl and i should have known better to go back to them. they got to be the most biggest ass holes i have ever put up with in my life
»Re: FiOS PRICE INCREASE UNDER CONTRACT, This Is Total BS !!!
said by dirtwarrior :
also VZ missed a handful of appointments 12 in all, no joke they were that busy in MD in i spent around 70 hours talking to dump ass fios techs from month to month tell VZ finally figured what was wrong anyways I'm stopping here just thinking back is a nightmare.
»(post #20437537 no longer exists)

Then he later claimed he gets cross country latency of 15ms and 10ms to the UK »hmmmm which are of course B.S....refuted by line monitors run by me (a FiOS user) and dozens of other FiOS subs here »/testh ··· ?view=66 . The truth is cross country latency on FiOS is roughly 80-100ms 8-10X what dirtwarrior See Profile claims. Most embarrassingly, his claim of 15 ms cross country latency is refuted in one of his own anonymous postings »Re: Upload Limited by Verizon FIOS ROUTER?! HELP!!

And finally, sandman9r See Profile ROUTINELY posts 30+Mb test results, handily SMOKING dirtwarrior See Profile's FiOS tier by more than 25%. »/archive?cid=2

The reviewer's cablevision tier flat smokes dirtwarrior See Profile's.

StreetSpirit
This spot reserved for Xenu.
Premium Member
join:2002-08-13
Roslyn, NY

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StreetSpirit

Premium Member

I no right, I no wrong. I no up, I no down. But what do I know!

Who do we petition to get someone banned from the net?

Dogfather
Premium Member
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA

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Dogfather

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Re: I no right, I no wrong. I no up, I no down. But what do I kn

nm
nilsen4
join:2005-07-16
Islip, NY

nilsen4 to dirtwarrior

Member

to dirtwarrior
i just switched back to OOL from FIOS..am i happier !
my pockets are filled with lint after fios..and the speeds are about the same

Xanax3mg
@verizon.net

Xanax3mg

Anon

Unfortunately, not so.

I have both OOL Ultra 101 and Verizon (FIOS) Quantum connections here at the USA Office (Zip Code 11530).

OOL = 110-120 down and 35-50 up

Verizon = 500-530 down and 100-120 up.

I've loved and used OOL for years here and I will keep the
Ultra 101 connection, but now it's on the bench.

Review by jaa See Profile

  • Location: New Canaan, Fairfield, CT, USA
  • Cost: $45 per month
  • Install: about 2 days
Unmatched speed, great price, great support
Great value
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These guys are the best. Caps are 10megabits down, and 1megabit up. I've never had speed slowdowns - consistent 9500/950 speeds. They do put some limits on you if you upload huge amounts - does not affect me.

Had the service for over 7 years, no significant problems or downtime.

Update: They raised the caps to 15/2!! No increase in price. I get consistent 13.5/1.8 speeds.

Update: They eliminated "capping" where they used to limit your upload speed to 150kbps if you uploaded a lot.

Update: Still working great!! No issues.

Update May, 2009: Been about 9 years. Not had any problems - consistent speeds, rare outages.

Update November, 2009: Still going strong. Moved to a new address, transfer went fine.

Update September, 2010: 10 years and still rock solid.

Update November, 2011: Speeds are still "advertised" 15/2, but I get consistent 20/2 speeds with Docsis 3 and 5 bonded download channels on base tier.

Update August, 2012: Consistent 20/2 speeds. Service is awesome! Also taking advantage of the wifi hotspots - now I'm never at the limit of my smartphone data plan.

Update March, 2013: Great speeds. Lowered my cell data plan since I am using less and less since I connect to wifi hotspots a lot.

Update August, 2014: 55/25 speeds on upgraded tier ($5/mo extra). Don't "need" the speeds, but very nice now and then when upload pictures or downloading ISOs.

Update July, 2019: 19 years and still very happy. Steadily increasing speeds (180/35 now) at same price.

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updated 4.6 years ago


KB
@optonline.net

KB

Anon

Cablevision blocks ports

Cablevision, while I used to tour their service as being a great alternative to DSL, has now started block ALL ports inbound. Forget your personal web server, forget about you mail server...all ports blocked. It is really great since they limit attachments to the optonline mail servers at 5mb...how do you get a bigger attachment without your own mail server...you don't.

jaa
Premium Member
join:2000-06-13

jaa

Premium Member

Blocked Ports

Not true. CV only blocks a few ports - including ports 80 and 25. Still thousands of ports available to run your personal web of ftp server.

sheba2003
@rr.com

sheba2003

Anon

can't get to my job's email via exchange server...

I connect to an microsoft exchange server and i also have cablevision. I use to be able to conncet to my exchange server mail via outlook but as of today I can no longer. Do you know if cablevision did something and if so is there an go around , I heard something about them blocking port 135

hxmiller95
@optonline.net

hxmiller95

Anon

Re: can't get to my job's email via exchange server...

Just start for me also. I think they have started blocking 135,137,138,139. My firewall is seeing fewer scans on these ports as well.

Review by thinkpad See Profile

  • Location: Stamford, Fairfield, CT, USA
  • Cost: $49 per month
  • Install: about 1 days
Fast FAst FAST!
None at this time
Get this service
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It's Fast, Fast, Fast

Not really more that I can say at the moment.

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GeekNJ
Premium Member
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ

1 recommendation

GeekNJ

Premium Member

Not as fast as you'd like?

What speeds are you getting? You should be getting a min of 3000 down, a good shot at 5000 down and a chance at 8000 down.

If you haven't tweaked already, read the guide at »www.levinecentral.com/op ··· ool.html

Stop over at the OOL forum here and we'll help you maximize your throughput.






Review by reese See Profile

  • Location: Keansburg, Monmouth, NJ, USA
  • Cost: $180 per month
  • Install: about 3 days
none of horror stories,stable,fast
none so far though they failed to explain how to activate netflix
so far so good
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after reading some of horror stories I was worried about the altice one. was a fresh install with all new wiring and so far have experienced none of the problems others have. all minis work well, internet is as advertised. only negative is extender was turned on as requested.

member for 5.5 years, 65 visits, last login: 5.1 years ago
updated 5.5 years ago