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Review by grayem See Profile

  • Location: Kansas City, Wyandotte, KS, USA
  • Cost: $19 per month (12 month contract)
  • Install: about 10 days
  • Telco party Southwestern Bell
It works, but it worked better before I moved, and it seems to be getting worse
Getting tired of billing errors every time something changes.
Starting to think cable doesnt look so bad.
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*****update August 2006+++++

Once again, the billing mistakes have come with a new year of service agreement changes. I got the annual letter telling me my service at 19.00 is ending. I have the option of buying a new service for 14.99 (3Mbs)or the happy option of 45.99! (1.5Mbs) WHoopie! So I get ready for the annoying 3 hours on the phone explaining that my line can't handle this "great new upgrade" to 3mbs as it can only handle 768Kbs. The sale person tells me it is fine, and that I can have the upgrade. I say ok knowing better. I wait for the tech to call and tell me it was a mistake, and because my line can't handle 3mbs, I have to pay 45.99... blink blink.. this is fair? (remember my line used to handle 1.5 no problem) Every time they improve the connection speeds in general, mine drops in capacity. I ended up negotiating a 19.99 at 768 down and up (super!) for a years contract, and guess what? Yep, billing error! So I now get to spend another 3 hours on the phone to correct something I already took care of. ARG.... Cable? but I don't watch TV.

****update 2005 august*********************

Changed service to lower rates (Unfortunatly and as usual, any change results in mistakes on bill, that take a month or two to correct.) same speeds, I am now using interleave to get good speeds, but sorta slow Ping, and its OK with me.

I

PPoE through an SMC router.

#################################update###########################

I am still stuck at 384 download. For a while I had 1.5/128 and it worked great. Then they "upgraded" the system for everyone. My connection stopped holding sync, and they dropped me to 768/128 Later, my phone line was cut by parks and rec trying to fix a water main up the street. After sbc repaired it they had to drop my speeds to 384/384. Sad, but no real options and I am stuck with SBC.

################################end update############################

I ordered the second DSL account when I moved. I already had a modem and the filters from the last time I had service, but they send new stuff any way.

I asked for the 39.95 service, they set that up then when I went to billing, they sold me on the idea that I get total connections for 39.95 and the DSL would drop to 29.95 So in reality I am paying 6 dollar more to have caller ID, call waiting, voice mail, and some other junk I dont need.

Two days later hooked up my old modem and the DSL light turned on but the speed I got after connecting was pretty low, 164/109 or so. I came here to get help (I did, and may get more, I am waiting patiently) and I am still stuck at 384/128. I will cancel my service if they dont at least let me try to use the higher speeds.

They say on the modems that we should leave them on for 10 days. It should get faster if they think it will work. I am patiently waiting for this. I have pings in the 30s right now, no packet loss, but download speeds are one third what they should be because of the capping system.

Because of the online service here, I thought it would be worth trying to get DSL going even though I am fairly far from the CO. I would have given the tech support a 1 on the ratings, if it werent for the BBR associated tech support in the forums.

######################### End of New Connection Review ############################

Below is the old setup I had before I moved to a place that was further from a CO. Since I wrote this account below, official support has become a blessed improvement in customer service for me.

########################## Old Connection, differernt location #########################

They really arent the provider. Every time I called, they had to put us both on hold and call ASI, whoever they are. ASI sent the modem, they tested the line, and they caused the delay sending the equipment. Southwestern bell folks could answer about one question each. How much does it cost? or How fast is it? beyond that they relayed my questions (I learned to ask on DSLReports.com) to tech people but I could never talk to the tech people directly. After reading so many horror stories here, I knew what to expect, and treated the people on the phone very nicely and they were helpful as far as they could help.

For some reason they could not figure out why they did not send my modem and I listened to the conversation with ASI the people. Some box was not checked on a peice of paper was all I could decifer.

Ordered 384/128 and got 1293/180

Order was easy and install went flawlessly on my home built Athlon 900 mhz Abit KT7

I was worried about the Athlon after hearing the tech filks that log on here say they are troublesome.

I am using The SMC Barricade Router to hook up two computers and that works great. I do not have to reconnect when I start my computer. So far I havent been kicked off. I am using PPPoE. This router is designed for it and it has port mapping and works well with online gaming. Its not very expensive with the coupons at bUy.com

USE THE TWEAK GUIDE! I changed the MTU from 1454 to 1492 and set it to automatic and that boosted my system from 2x a 56K modem, to 25x a 56K modem!

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Centurion2
join:2000-09-08
Cape Girardeau, MO

Centurion2

Member

Good idea!

I would have to say that you were very wise to check out this web page first, before you ordered. If i would have know what to ask, i am sure i could have gotten my problem fixed alot sooner. And as for online gaming, what types of games do you play. Since i have got dsl, i have been so busy i haven't had time to play some of my games. I know sdsl works better for games, but i believe adsl works pretty good, too. Oh, and anyone here know if linux is compatible w/ Swbell DSL? --
Centurion

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grayem
join:2000-09-22
Saint Louis, MO

grayem

Member

Re: Good idea!

So far I am playing Unreal Tournament. I get pings in the 70s and 80s. Thats plenty fast. My upload speeds arent theat great, but their is little need for that i guess.

Centurion2
join:2000-09-08
Cape Girardeau, MO

Centurion2

Member

Re: Good idea!

Upload speed might cause some trouble, but as long as your not running a server off of your computer, download will help you the most, especially when maps are loading or when you connect to a game! And those pings are good. With low latency you can really run circles around modem users (cruel, i know)!
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Centurion

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to Centurion2

Anon

to Centurion2
As far as it being compatible with linux. ASI does not support that OS right now. It is hard to tell if they ever will. If you can install the nic and get PPPoe program to run, they will get you a line to your computer.

Review by gtoken See Profile

  • Location: Fort Smith, Sebastian, AR, USA
  • Cost: $39 per month (12 month contract)
  • Telco party Southwestern Bell
Dependable Connection
Barely faster than dialup
I wish there were a better provider around here.
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Ive had SBC DSL for a couple years now. That was after a year of them telling me it was available but in reality they didn't know what they were talking about. Now I can connect but speeds are extremely slow even though I live in the very center of a town of over 100,000 people. You would think they would have more equipment installed to provide better service in a town this size. Its better than dialup, but not much.

UPDATE: 05-17-06 I dumped SBC because it was just TOOOO SLOOWW (290k). I now have Cox Cable internet (4mb) and so far it's working out great. BIG improvemnet. "IF" SBC were to ever upgrade their equipment in my area I may consider switching back.

member for 20.3 years, 2077 visits, last login: 10.4 years ago
updated 17.9 years ago


Review by Arriba See Profile

  • Location: Houston, Harris, TX, USA
  • Cost: $40 per month (12 month contract)
  • Install: about 18 days
  • Telco party Southwestern Bell
  • CLEC party: Southwestern Bell
They let you do a self install of the software so you're not stuck with their sucky browser
Their tech support SUCKS. Those people haven't a clue. Used to work for SWBT and AT&T. Got laid off. Still in the business
Neither AT&T nor SBC has ever figured out how to deal with an unregulated environment. Employees are "costs". Company sucks
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I've been in the telecom business for nearly 30 years. SBC/AT&T still don't know what they're doing and I used to work for both. Moved on since then so I know a bit about how computer networks work as well. My problem, which their "tech support" says is on MY computer, is I can't access ANY website with an IP addy that starts with 192. I can't convince even the level 2 techs that not ALL addy's that start with 192 aren't private and can't be resolved. When I ping or tracert a website with an addy that starts with 192 it goes nowhere. Can't convince them that it's 192.168 that's the private addy range. I looked up my Speedstream 5100 modem's addy and yes, it's a 192.168 addy. THAT I can ping and tracert. Goes one hop and completes on a tracert. Anything else in the 192 range just times out over 30 hops. They insist that the problem is with my computer but I've been over it a number of times with some fairly knowledgeable network techs on a computer help website and they agree the problem is with my modem. Apparently programmed to block ALL addy's that start with 192. SBC says my modem doesn't HAVE an IP addy. If it's not my modem's IP addy what IP addy is it that I'm seeing when I look it up? It damn sure isn't my addy from SBC as that's DHCP and changes everytime I log on. They also tell me that since my DSL "modem" (they don't know it's not actually a modem) is over a year old I'd have to buy a new one to fix it. I've asked that the problem be escalated past level 2 support but I'm not holding my breath. All level 2 support did was argue with me and then send me a PDF file that told me how to type in an URL and how to hit enter. Well DUH!!!! Anyone else run into this problem with websites that start with 192 addy's with SBC?

Diane

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Fobulous
Premium Member
join:2002-08-14
Missouri City, TX

Fobulous

Premium Member

192 adress??

Give me a website with a 192 address..

Dennis
Mod
join:2001-01-26
Algonquin, IL

Dennis

Mod

Re: 192 adress??

Name: www.thinkprogress.org
Address: 192.101.98.130

quarkmachine
join:2003-02-12
Derby, KS

quarkmachine

Member

What exactly is the problem?

I'm sorry, but I think you may be very confused. The 192.168 addy you are seeing in the modem, it's the lan side gateway (probably 192.168.0.1), depending on how you have the modem configured it is either assigning your PC 192.168.1.64, or it is passing the WAN addy on to you, I'm assuming you are using a 5100B, though you just posted 5100. What exactly are you trying to ping with a 192 addy that is not local? What problems are you having exactly? I don't fully understand your "issue"
psx_defector
join:2001-06-09
Allen, TX

psx_defector

Member

Your problem..........

is with your PC.

You have a static IP setup somewhere on it with an IP of 192.x.x.x and a subnet of 255.0.0.0. So anything that attempts to go to this subnet will fail due to this. If you put another computer on there, it will work just fine.

If this is your entire reason for your rant against SBC/AT&T, then it's completely off base. Although they were not thorough enough in explaining it, SBC support had it right on the money this time.
attsbcisgay
join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA

attsbcisgay

Member

so

You got laid off? That's how capitalism works. Either you are useful to others employed or you are not, axed.

nick1979
@Level3.net

nick1979

Anon

Re: so

verify your modem settings. make sure you enable "use public ip address" instead of "private ip" from advance > connection configuration within your modem gui. you might have it set to use "private ip". i believe that's how you end up with addy 192.168.x.x and couldn't browse the internet. if you dont prefer to go through the advance setting of the modem... do the following:
1) reset modem to factory state through the pinhole
2) access 192.168.0.1
3) input username and password and hit connect

your modem should start pulling a public ip instead of private ip. also set your pc to obtain ip and dns automatically. reboot pc. verify make sure your proxie is off from the ie settings. i dont see why you cant browse the internet after doing the above. let me know how that turns out for you.
nick1979

nick1979

Anon

Re: so

what does your public ip start with? i have att/sbc internet and i can access thinkprogress.org with no problem.

Review by Fobulous See Profile

  • Location: Plano, Collin, TX, USA
  • Cost: $17 per month (12 month contract)
  • Install: about 60 days
  • Telco party Southwestern Bell
Nothing
Phone Support on tier 2 SBC and ASI are all bad.
the new ATT/SBC sucks
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Been using the SBC DSL since August of this year...and i have to say that it's been quiet reliable.
Install was quiet easy...unlike the horror stories i heard from my friends...everything worked out fine. I consistently got speed of 1180 down/136up day in and day out.

Just last month I took advantage of the 256 upload promotion, my upload now is between 200-256 Price will be a little bit more but it's worth it in my opinion. Also i notice the great improvements on mail servers, which was horrible when it was on Prodigy servers.

The best thing about SBC Yahoo is that they give you a Free National Dial-up Account Which is great for me since i travel alot throughout this great country of ours.

Here is my spec:

I have the Standard SBC issued Speedstream DSL Modem with PPPoE.

2/21/03 :Well, the whole DSL connection went down hard last night around 18:45. Called Tech Support and spoke to a very unhelpful person..he just casually mentioned that there was a router down in Houston and i was on that router so it'll take about 24 hours to get it fixed?! I was like 24 hours!?!? I am in the Telecom industry and we don't take 24 hours to fix anything, the most might be 4 hours!

Talked to another tech support later that night and she was convinced that it was my end's problem and she mentioned that in order to create a ticket for me i have to accept the charges! I told her that the service was working great until that Router failed in Houston and now you want to charge me???? She basically said that if they find faulty wiring in my house they'll have to charge me...good thing i have In-Line protection which will cover the charges..but that's not the point...it's the principle of the whole thing.

The service has been kinda stable. I lost connections twice of all these months...and every time the service came back up in about 5-10 minutes.

Connection just went down last month. Called Techsupport and after about 10 minutes they decided to dispatch a tech out to my area to have it checked out. They asked me for a good call back number so that they can update me on the status..this was about 11AM. No one actually called me at all but someone did email me and told me that they found a problem on the RT in my neighborhood. Hopefully they changed out some of the wirings or what not in this RT. Speed is still 1200Down/243Up

DSL Went down hard again.. Tech Support is almost incompetent. She kept on telling me to delete/add/delete/add Broadband dialup connections..all the while listening to me telling her that i know for a fact that it was something in the CO after 30-40 mins of wait/redelete/readd she finally got it and told me that a tech will be in contact with me in the morning (it was about 8pm)..luckily the tech called me 20 mins later and told me that one of the Routers were down in the CO and now it's back up..

Canceled the service on 1/8/04. With speeds of 1300/256 for almost $40 compared with Comcast 3100/256 for $40 it is a no brainer. If SBC gets a package of 3000/256 for $50 i will definately considering going back but i doubt this will happen anytime soon. Also i'm not too impressed with the overal customer phone support while the Broadbandreport's online techs are great..but they will not help much when my DSL goes down hard..

8/23/2005

So what is it about August? It seems that i always change ISPs this month, I remember first signing up with broadband back in 2002's August, and switched over to Comcast on 2003's August and now..coming back in full circles.

I'm mainly intrigued by the Express Package how can you beat $14.95/month for DSL especially when my company stopped paying for my internet access at home, Comcast HSI looks pricier and pricer everyday.

Installtion: I got the new Modem (Speedstream 4100) kit in the mail about 2 or 3 days after ordering online. This morning, i used the installation cd to install SBC, didn't use this way last time, but it was fairly painless though i am never a big fan of wizards for i really want to know what's being done and all. Had to reuse the Linksys Wireless G router wizard to re-establish LAN after Internet is up .

My main gripe is that when i do a ipconfig i see domain_net_set.Invalid as my domain name. i am not sure what this is and why it's here..i'll have to give them a call later today.

Speed test from Speakeasy: 1243/316

10/20/2005

Had some problems the 2 nights ago with 500/215 it seems to be coming back to normal at this time.

hope this stays.But still you can't beat the price of $15/month i'm thinking of getting the Pro Version though

3/11/2006-Present

DSL went down. Chronicles of what happened:

After my trip home last night 3/11/2006 i noticed the DSL is down.

Was on the phone with techsupport in the last 30 mins and the tech said that they are having some kind of trouble doing testing to my line??? He offered to call back within 2 hours.

after few hours:

it's still down.

Basically i can't authenticate out from the modem (4100) i have called tech support 4 times, they had me to reboot/reset the modem about 5 times already and i'm on the phone with ASI and SBC and they are doing some testing but it doesn't look too good

After almost 20 hours, my DSL was still down:

kept getting this message

"Can not connect to target service. Please contact your Service Provider's help desk"

SBC verified that my userid and password are correct and i even used the default sbcglobalreg userid to no avail.

talked to one of the techs and this is getting very frustrating. Basically he's saying that the DSL signal from my house is good but if i cannot connect from the modem that means my username/password is incorrect...well i don't know if he reads any remarks from this tkt but it clearly showed that we went through this process about 5 times...they even had me enter a default SBC username/password and it showed "Cannot connect to target service" error message!

So now, I'm giving him suggestions..asking him if it's the modem or not..he shrugged it off saying, " it could be..but we'll probably have to send a tech out to check it out and it'll be $60 please"

after another talk with ASI and tier 2 support (this tier 2 support guy actually wanted me to do a System Restore!!!) i proved that it wasn't my problem my connecting my laptop to the modem and still received the same message.

Now the funny thing is this, some guy by the name Larry came on to the line and told me to hang up because he's right outside at the RT trying to patch my line, he told Tier 2 and ASI that the default SBCGLOBALREG won't even logon to the RT and he has received 3 households reporting the same issue as I have.

Now he's outside at the RT trying to get this thing fixed.

This experience for me is by far the worst ever. This whole thing showed how incompetent tech support people are these days... I still can't believe that guy actually asked me to Restore my computer..I almost laughed out loud when i heard that.

Now it's 3/13/2006 8:40PM CST and DSL Is still down and in addition, my phone line is down as well.. i heard that there is a 12am-6am window to get everything fixed...

I'm very disapppointed at SBC or ATT or whatever the heck they call themselves now.

3/14/2006

CANCELED ATT/SBC DSL AS OF TODAY due to the incompetence of ATT

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Fobulous
Premium Member
join:2002-08-14
Missouri City, TX

Fobulous

Premium Member

great

great

David
Premium Member
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL

David

Premium Member

The online support team


is here to help!! Send an IM to either me, Adsl guy, or toaster2k


Thanks
Beach Boy

Fobulous
Premium Member
join:2002-08-14
Missouri City, TX

Fobulous

Premium Member

Re: The online support team

Thanks...everything was fixed in the morning..apparently phone support people were shooting darts in the dark. The field tech told me that i had nothing to do with the Houston's Router outage..
Vert420
join:2003-12-10
Coeburn, VA

Vert420

Member

Rookie techie

Hey. I work for SBC/Yahoo DSL tech support, and let me apologize for the rookie mistake by the technician informing you that you would have to pay for a technician visit. She was only partly correct in telling you that. She should have told you that if there wasn't a network outage at the time you contacted tech support, she could troubleshoot the issue, and at that time--without resolution--issue a trouble ticket for a technician to check out the issue. The only times customers are charged for our technician dispatches are, as she stated, if the technician repairs faulty wiring, etc. IN your home. The other instance would be if the customer defers all troubleshooting and requests a technician be sent to the residence/business. We've acquired numerous new hires in the last few months, and everyone is just getting settled in, so I KNOW tech support is spotty at times. Sorry about the trouble, but hang in there--it's getting a lot better.

fmrsbcdsltech
@midco.net

fmrsbcdsltech

Anon

Re: Rookie techie

asi needs more money anyway.

WickedDreamz
@okcyok.swbell.ne

WickedDreamz

Anon

Re: Rookie techie

SBC support is actually great, at least when I worked for them I always gave the customer the benifit of the doubt if the lines were acting up and they couldn't browse. However I have a 2wire installed and recently went on to get a Speedstream 5100. Today, as I recall alot of people having problems with pppoe, found the connection timing out and not being stable. After doing a little research and looking for another client. I found out that with Windows 98 there is issue with older versions of the NDIS driver. I had called tech support prior asking for a local ip config to directly connect the modem to the tcp/ip stack, baffled they didn't know and then stated that nothing could be done.

Why did tier 2 tell me something could. After making convo I updated the driver, and it works, but it still doesn't connect without problems and timing out, my line tests show everything is fine. Hmm i'll letcha know what happens when i use another ppoe client. But as for now, it seems speedstream modems are a nightmare. I'm going for raspppoe..maybe that'll help. As for me supporting dsl, they closed our center. And we actually spent time figuring out what was going on. Anyone else having problems with the SS series modems and enternet 300?
k5zxe
join:2000-06-05
Lawton, OK

k5zxe

Member

swbell.net

For $24.94 it really plays well. Consistent 2467 down and 427 up.
Tom

icp1
Premium Member
join:2000-10-13
Saint Louis, MO

icp1

Premium Member

nice ratings

You start out saying things like "Been using the SBC DSL since August of this year...and i have to say that it's been quiet reliable. Install was quiet easy" and the like
then because of your latest issue (which is quite bad, I certainly admit) you change your ratings for install coordination and connection down to a 1 out of spite?

It must be a bad issue if it affected your "easy install" of 3 years ago...

It's fine to change your ratings due to new info, but let's be honest, you aren't helping anyone who views the site by changing ratings to bad, when you yourself said they weren't bad...

Fobulous
Premium Member
join:2002-08-14
Missouri City, TX

Fobulous

Premium Member

Re: nice ratings

Ok, i admit i was a little emotional when making those ratings as i have reverted the pre-sales and install back to about 3 stars.

As you can see i used to use SBC DSL back in 2002 and this review obviously covers the entire 4 year period and just like any relationship, there are times when things are really good and they are times when things go sour..and when things go sour man do they ever..and this is exactly what happened to me this week.

Review by mstori5 See Profile

  • Location: Encino, Los Angeles, CA, USA
  • Business customer Business customer
  • Cost: $1200 per month (24 month contract)
  • Install: about 120 days
When it was working, the actual T1 functionality was top notch.
Horrifically bad customer service.
Not worth the headache or the cost.
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This was for T1 service to the home at $1200 a month. At the time, while the rate was far from the best, we thought it would be helpful to have all communication services through one company.

This turned out not to be a benefit at all. The different groups did not work together well. Each part blamed another for things. We were stuck doing all the coordinating becaues the different groups did not communicate with each other. Constant billing errors, that would be fixed and then we get rebilled incorrectly. The actual T1 connect was terrific once they finally got it working (which took a very long time), but the customer service problems were overwhelming. Transferred away as soon as the contract was up, but they keep billing us to this day (more than a year later) claiming it was cancelled early. We follow up and prove the date as of the contract and they say they will fix it, and then they bill again, the rep who "fixed it" isn't assigned to work with us anymore since we aren't current customers, and the whole argument has to start over again.

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stridr69
join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA

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stridr69

Member

It's time...

..for you to get a Lawyer. And offer SBC a chance to "cease and desist" what they are trying to do-i.e. billing you for non-service. You fulfilled your contract-end of story.
Go get'em, baby!

P.S. your local D.A.'s office might be interested, too!

Review by jonrkc See Profile

  • Location: Kansas City, Jackson, MO, USA
  • Cost: $46 per month (12 month contract)
  • Install: about 60 days
  • Telco party Southwestern Bell
  • CLEC party: Covad
On-site service, speedy connection
If you're not a Windows or Mac user, you're pretty much on your own
Once I got it going, and a better modem, SBCGlobal has been great for me
Pre Sales information:
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Connection reliability:
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I live in Kansas City, Missouri, and subscribed to SBCGlobal ADSL service when I knew the apartment I was about to move to was very close to a central office. (The distance is shown as 9995 feet on the distance-finder on this site.) At the time, I was using Windows 98 so foresaw no problem at all. Alas, once I got settled in, and the installation kit arrived (Christmas Eve!), I got a rude surprise: my CPU wasn't fast enough to finish the installation. End result: I bought a "new" used computer from a recommended local dealer. OK, nice computer, and I got ADSL going, but then one of those frequent catastrophic Windows occurrences occurred and I needed to re-install Windows. But didn't have installation disks! So thought I'd upgrade to XP. BOUGHT the $100 upgrade package only to find out you can't upgrade an OEM version of Windows. Of course you can't return opened software, either, so Microsoft was $100 richer and I still had no computer to use.

So I installed an old version of Linux I'd had on hand for over a year and have used nothing but Linux since. Now using Mandrake 9.2 and pretty happy with it. I connect consistently at 1300 kbps or better except rarely dropping into the 1100's (probably Internet congestion). (NOTE: As of November 2005 using Ubuntu Linux rather than Mandrake (now named Mandriva). Also as of 11-05, connection speed doubled, but the price also went from $29 to roughly $46 a month--see below.)

The original modem from SBCGlobal needed recycling pretty often--it would drop the connection. Recycling almost always fixed it. A nearby lightning strike finally zapped both it and my Ethernet card (as well as the apartment building's intercom system!) in September 2003, and an SBC tech came out two days later, installed a Speedstream 5100 modem and another Ethernet card I had (actually the one sent by SBC--which wouldn't work for the guys in the computer shop), and I've been in fine shape since. He also found I had one filter installed with the phone line and DSL line swapped on it, and didn't laugh or sneer at me, just fixed it. I was surprised I'd even been able to run that way.

The only problem I've had since then is that my speed mysteriously cut in half, from 1300 to around 680-700 kbps about five days ago. After much troubleshooting I had the brilliant idea to recycle the 5100 modem and--back to 1300 kbps now. Why, I don't know.

Every time I've had an SBC (Southwestern Bell) tech out for either a phone problem or a computer/Internet related one, I've been practically overwhelmed by their professionalism, kindness, and genuine desire to fix things. I would rate local Bell service 10 out of 10, easily.

The tech that came out after the thunderstorm even got his laptop from the truck and brought it in, connected up, and made sure my connection to the Internet would work, before he left, because I still had to do some software juggling before I could get my own computer back in commission.

SBC billing tends to be confusing, but from what I've read that's true of absolutely every carrier in existence. Most recently I thought they made an error in my favor, but they said it was correct.

My main complaint is not with service but with the assumption everybody uses Windows or Mac. Well, there are millions and millions of users of Linux and other OS's in the world, and I wish companies would wake up to that fact. When I phoned because of a threatening email from SBC about shutting down connections if users didn't start employing firewalls and antivirus, and pointed out that I use both, have a "perfect stealth" rating from the ShieldsUp! test at grc.com, and keep my antivirus updated frequently (daily, as a matter of fact), the tech on the other end was sympathetic but clueless, because I use Linux. He finally consulted with a supervisor and said he didn't think I had anything to worry about if I was using those measures. I guess not, since I haven't been shut down yet.

(See thread here full of irate responses to SBC's threats, which though understandable as they were getting terrific problems with a worm at the time, were tactless in the extreme.)

I obtained the basic service package, at that time $29.95 a month, and it's stayed at that rate so far (I renewed my contract in November). It promises speed starting at 384 kbps. My setup uses Roaring Penguin PPPoE version 3.5 (yeah, I know, Linux software has funny names). I have dynamic IP. I have not had any problem at all that I know was software related, only the fried modem, now replaced with the seemingly much more stable Speedstream 5100. (Recycled once in four months as contrasted to maybe average three times a day for the originally supplied one.)

By the way, after the thunderstorm incident, I obtained a Tripp-Lite LC-1800 line conditioner and surge suppressor for about $180, and have all my computer equipment, and the modem transformer, running out of it.

In sum: local service is magnificent; corporate attitude so-so; actual connection, I couldn't be happier. I feel I get my money's worth and a lot more. (Till they raise the prices!)

UPDATED November 7, 2005. I failed to renew my contract this year, and like last year no notice was sent to remind me to do so, which I suspect is no accident, since I am now having to pay $46 (rounded) instead of $29 for DSL service. On the plus side of this discouraging development, I now have twice the speed, approx 2600 kbps instead of 1300 kbps. The added speed is not all that noticeable, due to Internet congestion . I don't download enormous files except very rarely (as when "upgrading" my operating system; perhaps the term "inflate" would be better than "upgrade," but that's another issue).

I also was required to obtain three services I did not need, in order to have the new "Professional" DSL contract. I chose call forwarding, privacy manager, and caller ID; somewhere in there, Call Notes got thrown into the mix. Since I virtually never use my land line phone but use a cellular phone instead, those services mean next to nothing to me.

However, by subscribing to Professional DSL and the three needless voice services, I was able to keep my total phone bill from SBC to what I hope will be not too much more than the $55 a month it's been running. The representative was unable to tell me how much my phone bill would be.

As a result of these changes, I am downgrading service rating and value for money to two and keeping the other numbers the same.

If there was realistic competition available I would consider changing providers next year (there's a $200 early-cancelation fee). However, I will not use cable and there seems to be little alternative in my area, so I guess I'll stick with SBC, which is becoming less affordable since I am on a fixed income.

Not too happy; not too unhappy; but I think SBC's greed is showing. This, however, makes them no different from virtually every other major corporation.



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Review by KarlT See Profile

  • Location: Dallas, Dallas, TX, USA
  • Cost: $100 per month (12 month contract)
  • Install: about 7 days
None that I can find.
Dishonest and Incompetent.
Avoid them if at all possible
Pre Sales information:
Install Co-ordination:
Connection reliability:
Tech Support:
Services:
Value for money:

SBC is going to buy out AT&T and try to cover up its notorious reputation by adopting the AT&T name and abandoning the SBC name. Why they think that is going to help is beyond me.

You can read about my 14 months of SBC hell, here: »sbc.karltipple.com

The $100 figure above represents 2 phone lines and my temporary DSL Pro. It would go up another $35/month if I were to continue with them after next July.

KarlT

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Review by schmidlap See Profile

  • Location: Chesterfield, Saint Louis, MO, USA
  • Cost: $65 per month (12 month contract)
  • Install: about 20 days
  • Telco party Southwestern Bell
  • CLEC party: Southwestern Bell
none, are you kidding?
the charge new customers less for more speed, software doesn't work, they have no tech support
don't use southwestern bell
Pre Sales information:
Install Co-ordination:
Connection reliability:
Tech Support:
Services:
Value for money:

this is my response to their lame attempt at support. i still don't have their "free" EZ antivirus. I will be switching next month.

Blah, blah, blah. As usual, SBC "tech support" is worthless. 1) How do you
know the files are corrupt? If SBC knew that they would have posted
notices, emailed customers, and given a link to the "new" files. You don't
have any way to know the files on my particular hard drive are corrupt. You
are just using a standard email template to try to keep the majority of
customers from emailing again or calling (God forbid) just like other
companies (including the one I work for ) do. No one read my message. No
one looked into the problem. Some underpaid hack just clicked on a button
to send a template and that's it.

Secondly, if the files are "corrupt" as SBC claims, why is that I am told to
go back to the VERY SAME LINK and download the same file again? I went
through your "process" and got the same result as I knew I would. I work in
a call center and I have had the same job you have "responding to emails".
I know how it works. Management doesn't give a shit about the customer, all
your management cares about is how many emails you respond to, how quickly
you respond, and how quickly you get your queue of pending emails down. To
hell with the actual results.

SBC enjoys a monopoly on local phone and DSL service which is why you don't
have to worry about me. As if you did. I will be cancelling my contract
for DSL as soon as the contract expires in October.

The only reason I went to SBC is because Charter cable "offered" internet
downloads speeds from 384kbps to 1.5mbps. Unfortunately, I got screwed by
Charter as well by only getting download speeds of 328kbps max no matter
when or what site I accessed. I thought SBC could honor their advertising.
As usual, my blind faith in SBC was misplaced as I got the same dilemma from
SBC. I don't even get the MINIMUM guaranteed download speed from SBC.
After researching I found out many people with SBC have this problem because
their lines are "capped", and they have to have SBC come out to complete a
"home run" in the wiring at an additional cost of 90 dollars or more. Then,
to add insult to injury, after SBC fails to honor their agreement they start
charging new customers 15 dollars a month LESS to get higher speeds than I
get now. There are only two reasons for how SBC could be so incompetent.
Your managers are too stupid and lazy to implement a test to determine when
a prospective customer
calls if his line is capped or not. If your managers really cared about
customer service they would make sure you guys ran the tests necessary to
tell the customer if he or she would actually get what was promised. SBC
knows damn well before DSL is installed whether or not a line is capped.
The second reason is that your managers are a typical bunch of greedy,
lying, deceiving corporate bastards who only care about numbers and signing
up as many subscribers as possible. Once SBC has a customer locked in you
don't give a shit. That is why I will cancel my DSL contract and local
phone service with SBC. I can go to Charter or Vonage for local phone if I
do at all since I really don't need it with my SPRINT cell phone.

Essentially, SBC can kiss my ass. If your managers knew what they were
doing they wouldn't keep losing customers like me that are paying over 60
dollars a month. What a bunch of morons.

--
From:
To:
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 3:23 PM
Subject: Resolution for Case ID: 104914236

> Dear Steve,
>
> Thank you for contacting SBC Yahoo! E-mail Support.
>
> I apologize for the inconvenience and will be glad to assist you on this
matter.
>
> Steve, the issue that you are experiencing is because of the corrupt files
of SBC Yahoo! Online Protection. Please uninstall and then reinstall SBC
Yahoo! Online Protection to repair the corrupted files. The following steps
should assist you in uninstalling and reinstalling SBC Yahoo! Online
Protection.
>
> To uninstall, please follow the information on the link given below:
>
> »help.yahoo.com/help/us/s ··· -11.html
>
> After you have uninstalled it, please follow the steps listed below to
download SBC Yahoo! Online Protection:
>
> 1. Visit »sbc.software.yahoo.com/g ··· rotected
> 2. Enter your SBC Yahoo! E-mail address and the password. Click
> 3. Click under Welcome to the SBC Yahoo! Software Center page.
> 4. Click
> 5. Follow the on-screen instructions to finish the installation.
>
> This should take care of your issue.
>
> If the issue persists, please contact us and refer to Case ID 104914236.
>
> Please remember to visit our help-site at »help.sbcglobal.net/ for
resolutions to the most common problems. From that site, you may contact
our Chat Support anytime by clicking under the Contact Us
section. You may also call us anytime at 1-877-SBC-DSL5.
>
> It has been my pleasure helping you today. Thank you for using SBC
Internet Services.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ashley
> SBC DSL Tech Support Specialist
>
> ========================================
>
> You wrote:
> Description: i downloaded/installed the yahoo online protection suite.
everything works except the antivirus. it is installed but doesnt run.
every time i click ON it tried to update the virus signature file with
Computer associates, but it fails. The response is "access to the updates
server denied". i dont have any other antivirus package installed, and i
dont run a firewall.
>
> ========================================
> When responding to this email, please perform a reply with history so that
the following conversational identifier "[THREAD_ID:128284260]" is included
in your response.
>
>

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David
Premium Member
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL

David

Premium Member

Can we help?

1st) Antivirus-
I actually have this installed on my Win98SE Server machine at the house. I did actually break mine recently, well least I think I broke it installing an update to RADMIN (remote control software) and had to re-install it. I did uninstall mine and re-installed it. As far as I know when I did that it worked for me. I can assist on that if you wish.

2.)Speeds-
We can check those and see what you are getting and see if it will go higher. Who knows it might be something simple.

3.) price- Depending on your price plans I am suprised you have not re-rated.. do you have a grandfathered, say a DHCP account? or a single static IP or something particular?

jditto
join:2001-12-04
Arlington, TX

jditto

Member

Re: Can we help?

In reading the initial problem put up, first of all, it is very likely the files are corrupt. Downloaded files can corrupt on download, or even on saving to HD. Happens all the time, has nothing to do with SBC in particular. Second, they were stating the installation was corrupt, not the files themselves. Being "in a call center and know how it's done" I would assume you would know that, but I guess not. Lastly, SBC is not in charge of EZ antivirus. That comes from yahoo and is supported by Yahoo. Maybe you should know what you're talking about before you start badmouthing something it is clear you know nothing about. I pity those you respond to in your job if you really believe what you just posted.

MrFixitCT
pay it forward

join:2000-12-01
Port Charlotte, FL

MrFixitCT

Re: Can we help?

judging by your history you truly know what you're talking about... NOT!

Carbon Unit
MVM
join:2001-07-21
Saint Charles, MO

Carbon Unit

MVM

Re: Can we help?

SBC is not a monopoly, you should be able to get speakeasy, and many other DSL choices

Review by Randisusan See Profile

  • Location: Austin, Travis, TX, USA
  • Cost: $26 per month (12 month contract)
  • Telco party BellSouth
  • CLEC party: BellSouth
I can't remember there are any after all the problems
inconsistent service, HORRIIBLE Tech Support & CS
They lie
Pre Sales information:
Install Co-ordination:
Connection reliability:
Tech Support:
Services:
Value for money:

Have had this service since 2003 when their software ate up my os. It destroyed 2 computers. Turns out there were inherent CONFLICTS with the Speedstream 5260 & the SOFTWARE they insisted on putting in it (this info was obtained through speedstream). Running PPOE. Yaoo purchased the service (through Prodigy originally) and I am a LEGACY customer- which means I was supposed to ALWAYS get the fastest speeds available. INSTEAD, I am always being LOWERED to the SLOWEST speeds. SDhould be getting up to 4000-5000 download now and sometimes it is as slow as 600 & usually about 1000. To add insult to injury, they now charge $14.95 for a service that I am paying $30 for. AND, I have to watch my phone bills because they sometimes jack that up to $49.95 on me and then I have to call them . Calling CS is a nightmare as they OUTSOURCE (which unpatriotic) to India. It took me an accumulated 5 hours to get to an English speaking person the other day who was finally able to get me the information I needed. BOTTOM LINE: This service LAGS--I have been LIED TO and am not, at present, getting the service I was promised.If you have an alternative -TAKE IT.

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valharick
join:2002-10-11
Round Rock, TX

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valharick

Member

Re: SBC DSL

I have had the service since I moved to Texas in late '02 and have had almost literally no problems what-so-ever. I've way up in N Austin (basically RR) and am about 20 feet from a fiber box (or hub or remote terminal or whatever it is they call it). On the pro package I get a solid 350k down and about 40-45 up.

The one time I had a problem was when I moved and somehow they set me up for dial up access which took me 2-3 months to finally get canceled (as noted above, I spoke with India on a number of occasions).

All things being equal, I would reccomend the service to anyone without hesitation (although I am drooling over the 1meg service available through Time Warner).

Edit: Date change, been here longer than I thought!

Review by omg9 See Profile

  • Location: Springfield, Greene, MO, USA
  • Business customer Business customer
  • Cost: $79 per month (12 month contract)
  • Install: about 70 days
  • Telco party SBC
  • CLEC party: SBC
Pretty Reliable
Um well, I was pretty much lied to cheated and stolen from
Its all you have in this area just a warning!
Pre Sales information:
Install Co-ordination:
Connection reliability:
Tech Support:
Services:
Value for money:

Well lets see, I wanted to give them the benifit of the doubt. But it didn't work.

Lets start from the begining.

I ordered dsl. I wanted at least 5 static IPs. The sales person says yea sure, what you do it order the basic service now, and when it gets hooked up you can upgrade to static and it wont cost anything extra. The cost would be $29 a month and they were running a promotion. Well we can tell by the monthy cost on the report, that was a LIE!

It got hooked up, and I called billing and tried to get my free upgrade. They laughed and said, No, you have to pay us 3 times as much as we promised. So I said great, thank you for your toughtfulness and said ok well I need the IPs, so charge me more. I mean I like paying more than what I'm promised so I signed up. I needed to get my business going.

I get an e-mail a week after I was supposed to have my IP addresses. Your IPs are ready here they are. X.X.X.X I put the IPs on a few of my servers, didn't work. No connection. I call tech support, they say well everything looks good on our end, I spend about an hour with them and they escalate it to the next level tech. I speak with the next level tech, and they say well the reason your service isn't working is because we don't offer static IPs. Wow, than why am I paying so much more for no extra services that I was promised. They only offer PPPoE. To make a long story short, I still don't have use of the IPs that I requested and I still have to pay for them. I had to go out and buy other equipment, and they still could not help me configure it.

I have worked in customer service for 10 years, and I have never been this upset with a customer as I am with thier lack of knowledge. The only thing that I can say is that my service has been steady. Other than that, they would be my last coice that I would make for an internet provider. I would rather pay my 39 cents at the post office and send a postcard than use thier service for e-mail or internet.

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Grnbeano
join:2001-11-30
Dallas, TX

Grnbeano

Member

Static Ip addresses

You need to get on the 6 meg tier before they issue you static ip's...I have 5 useable ip's starting with 66.136.xxx.xxx and have there wireless 2Wire gateway router

Note:

I am on an RT 900feet from my door as well, you might have to get to level three, but they will get you your ip's..

I pay over $120.00/month and have for 2 years....

Good Luck..
AT11
join:2003-03-05
Sedalia, MO

AT11

Member

Re: Static Ip addresses

Just snagged this from the Missouri SBC Site. Two packages that SBC says is available with costs. No mention of 6 meg service being required!!

Express-S 384Kbps-1.5Mbps 128Kbps-384Kbps 5 Static $64.95 Order Now

Pro-S 1.5Mbps-3.0Mbps 384Kbps-512Kbps 5 Static $74.99
Order Now
omg9
join:2005-07-15
Springfield, MO

omg9

Member

Re: Static Ip addresses

On those what they don't tell you is that those Static aren't static. They are PPPoE. I have the pro service.

David
Premium Member
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL

David

Premium Member

Re: Static Ip addresses

Well they are PPPoE static, PPPoE-Static works just like regular static, but your equipment does the authentication and translation.

If you have questions in this regard, the Ameritech forum has been operating this way for a while now. You might ask the folks in the funhouse. Most are ok with it and some even like it because their IP's are bound to the username.
omg9
join:2005-07-15
Springfield, MO

omg9

Member

Re: Static Ip addresses

So who should I speak to? I need to get this set up right. I need a couple of my boxes to have routable IPs on them.
Grnbeano
join:2001-11-30
Dallas, TX

Grnbeano

Member

Re: Static Ip addresses

NO PPPoE at my house I assure you...Now in Texas you can have 6018/608 if applicable on an RT Only

David
Premium Member
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL

David to omg9

Premium Member

to omg9
Well if you want to do it the PPPoE way I would inquisition the ameritech forum...

Their forum is here, if I understand the request of your question.

»AT&T Midwest
skipdogg
join:2004-03-28
Peoria, AZ

skipdogg to omg9

Member

to omg9
if you don't know what you're doing you really should consult a professional. This isn't rocket science. SBC is not responsible for your home/business network. You are.

David
Premium Member
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL

David

Premium Member

Re: Static Ip addresses

For the static pkg you would need to order it too, if you only ordered the dynamic pkg, you might call back the sales office and state that you need static IP's and such.
hskrfan23
join:2004-03-18
West Sacramento, CA

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Member

to omg9
what kind of router do you have?

Riss_Centaur
Mod'taur - - - - 4 On The Floor.
MVM,
join:2004-01-20
Chicago, IL

Riss_Centaur to omg9

MVM,

to omg9
Well, if they works the same as the Ameritech area, the info is here: »AT&T Midwest/Ameritech FAQ »Any Funhouse/Ameritech info on the 5 Static IP packages?
-Riss
Riss_Centaur

Riss_Centaur

MVM,

Info on Static IP

If they work the same way the Ameritech reagon does, the info you want to review is here: »AT&T Midwest/Ameritech FAQ »Any Funhouse/Ameritech info on the 5 Static IP packages?
-Riss
bbkok
join:2006-06-07

bbkok

Member

...

You bought the wrong package you tard.. and as for buy other equipment.. if its not what they support you are SOL. Its like calling microsoft to help you with your linux install. DURRRR.