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Review by baomike See Profile

  • Location: Eugene, Lane, OR, USA
  • Cost: $47 per month
  • Telco party Qwest
just works, can use a bridge connection
Qwest wet lines
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good response to phone calls , if they are home. (They go home at night , like you and me)
They just provide a connection. They now have equipment in Eugene.
They do have some email and web stuff but I didn't care about that.

I picked them because of good rep and they would provide a bridge connection rather than just PPPOE. The DSL modem feeds a linux firewall box (iptables on Slack 11.0 2.6.17) with two ethernet cards which then feed a switch for the users in the house (10baseT)

The monthly cost is higher than some because I have a higher speed line with static IP. Qwest gets 28.00 of the 47.99.

I have used them for a number of years and will continue.

UPDATE 5APR07
Qwest has improved the local lines , or so it would seem. Lot of bucket trucks in March.
UPDATE 11NOV08
Still going fine. no problems.

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Review by cewagy See Profile

  • Location: Portland, Multnomah, OR, USA
  • Cost: $47 per month (month by month)
  • Install: about 14 days
  • Telco party Qwest
  • CLEC party: Qwest
No Nonsense, No Trouble, Static IP
Dealing with Qwest
Just what their name says, DSL Only.
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I ordered the naked DSL from Qwest, which they claim is 1.5M/896k. Had a headache trying to get service installed but I put that all on Qwest and not DSL Only. Somehow Qwest had my new address flagged as a problem address and would not place my order even with a credit card, this cost an extra week of delays which almost killed the deal for me. I had a couple of additional days of delay which were my fault, trying to use an old DSL "modem" that is not compatible with the upgraded service.

I've had the service for about a month now and absolutely no trouble. I prefer this service to my old Comcast, even though CC had a much faster download speed. The other very true comment that I saw is the newsgroups/usenet access, its absolutely terrible, but I can understand what a burden this type of service is to carry. I'll have to subscribe to a pay newsgroup service if I want to use the binary groups again.

Best part about the service from my perspective is that its been rock solid and the static IP, which I've never had before.

Monthly Bills: 29.70(Qwest)+17.99(DSL Only)



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Review by kraughl See Profile

  • Location: Woodburn, Marion, OR, USA
  • Cost: $46 per month (month by month)
  • Install: about 5 days
  • Telco party Qwest
Quick setup
newsgroup access
Good value for money
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I have qwest DSL with DSL-Only as ISP. DSL-Only is very reliable. I have experienced no downtime. Tech support is good. Gave me a static IP. The only bad part is the limited newsgroups access. They don't have very good retention in the binary groups. Overall they are a great ISP to use if you live in or around Portland Oregon.

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Review by jpsmith See Profile

  • Location: Newberg, Yamhill, OR, USA
  • Cost: $55 per month
  • Install: about 5 days
  • Telco party Verizon (ex GTE)
  • CLEC party: Verizon (ex GTE)
Very good price for a service that doesn't block any ports
None - I am very satisfied with their service
I am glad I decided to go with them for my provider
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I recently started having problems with being unable to keep a signal between my house and the CO. They helped get Verizon to test the circuit and were able to diagnose the problem as the modem failing. This is my second modem (the old fujitsu frame relay circuit) in the 5 1/2 years I've had the service. They said I could get a speed upgrade for the same price I was paying by moving to the new ATM circuit. I said since I was down anyways and would have to order a new modem (if they even still have any of the old ones - same price also) I figured I would go with the new service. Total down time was about 2 weeks (1/2 that time due to my modem not working). Verizon even had the circuit working 1 day before they said they would. DSL-Only had my new IP/reconfigure modem to act only as a bridge and service running a few minutes after calling them when my modem arrived. Since then, I've been getting 1369/374 speeds out of the 1500/384 I'm supposed to be getting. Can't complain about that over the 661/114 speeds I was getting before with the 768/128 package.

Overall, I am very pleased with the service from DSL-Only. Any problems that I have had over the years (which are very few) have all been answered promptly with what was wrong and what was being done to resolve it and approximate time frame. Any down time due to maintenance has been relayed to me before they actually do it (other than emergency maintenance which can't be planned), and this has been very little and usually done at night so I don't even notice it.

----Previous review----

When I finally found out that I was able to get DSL I started looking for an ISP that would allow me to run my own server. DSL-Only is the one I found. Even though it took over a month to get the service installed, it wasn't due to DSL-Only. They were the reason it didn't take longer. GTE kept getting their records wrong since I have more than one line and only one of them qualified. After they got that all straightened out, it was only a week to get the installer out to my house to put the equipment in. It only took him about 45 minutes (he had to go back to the CO to switch some wires). DSL-Only did their setup in about 2 seconds. (OK, so it was more like 2 minutes since I had to give them some info). Anyways, since it was installed just under a week ago, I am quite pleased, only down time was due to unplugging the "modem" accidently. I'm getting transfer rates on average in the 300kpbs range and on a good day 600+bkps. This is on the GTE bronze plus package.

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Review by MCodanti See Profile

  • Location: Portland, Multnomah, OR, USA
  • Cost: $55 per month
  • Install: about 5 days
  • Telco party Qwest
  • CLEC party: Qwest
Very helpful, fast
Charge too much for a second IP address. ($10.00)
I'm very happy.
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I have had DSL-Only for many years with the old QWets Cisco 675 and now that QWest is offering 1.5/896 for the same cost, I decided it was time to move up.

The QWest side of things was a real pain, as they couldn't do a quick swap over. They said about 7 days of down time and since I host my own email that wouldn't work. In the end I ended up setting up a new DSL line (which had to be on a different phone bill) and will just turn the other one off once I am all switched over.

Everything went great as soon as QWest completed their part, plugged in the Actiontec modem, flashed it up to the current firmware, and put it in transparent bridging mode. (I don't like that you can't check anything on the modem while it is in transparent mode, I want to get my hands on a Cisco 678..) Setup the static IP address on my PC, and off I went.. About 3x faster than my old 640/272 connection. I am seeing about 1266/842 through speed tests, and 163k downloading WinXP SP1 from Microsoft all during prime time. (Though ping times appear to be 10-20ms longer, close connections are 36 instead of 26 but that is probably due to how they get the faster speeds.)

The only thing I wish DSL Only would change is to drop the second IP charge by 50% down to $5.

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Review by wonko9 See Profile

  • Location: Beaverton, Washington, OR, USA
  • Cost: $82 per month (12 month contract)
  • Install: about 21 days
  • Telco party Verizon
Low price, generally reliable, allow extra static IPs, don't mind servers
Tech support full of BS at times, don't seem particularly motivated to solve customer issues, only open weekdays 8am - 6pm
A great ISP as long as nothing goes wrong.
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My initial review of DSL Only is below. Since I wrote that review, I've moved twice and used DSL Only both times. In each of the three different locations where I've had DSL through DSL Only, my connection has developed severe latency problems seemingly at random. Sometimes I'd go for months without a single problem, then suddenly my latency to the gateway would be in the 1500ms+ range for a week. Then it would go back to normal.

The first time this happened (detailed in my first review, below), the modem turned out to be the culprit. I've gone through two different modems since then, and as far as I can tell, that first time was the only time the modem had anything to do with it. Since then, I've had the same problem time after time, and every time I contact DSL Only about the problem, they give me the same line about it being Verizon's fault. If I press further, they inevitably tell me I'm on the receiving end of a DOS attack, ignoring me when I tell them I run a website that gets lots of low-bandwidth hits.

As a result, I'm completely fed up. In a few days I'll be switching to Speakeasy. DSL Only can chew on their own BS from now on. Adios.

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When I moved into my house about eight months ago, all my friends recommended I use DSL Only as my ISP. Based on their rave reviews (and on my own good experiences with them after our office switched to them after being screwed over by Aracnet), I decided to go for it.

DSL Only's prices are excellent, and are the best value in the area for what you get. After some initial problems shortly after installation (which were mainly Verizon's fault, since they had changed their method for provisioning lines without informing DSL-Only), I was very impressed with the level of service they offered. This high quality service lasted for about six months. Then I began having problems.

To cut a long story short, the problems I had were latency issues. When the line was completely idle, with no data being transmitted up or down, I was getting ping times to DSL Only's gateway of between 30 and 160 milliseconds. This is horrible -- normal idle ping times should rarely ever go above 20-30ms. Furthermore, whenever there was ANY upstream traffic on the line, latency would spike up to as high as 100,000ms (that's 100 seconds!). Basically, data could come in, but it couldn't get out.

I called DSL Only to report the problem, and after a short analysis and a call-back, they told me I was on the receiving end of a DOS attack and claimed I was running an IRC server. This was BS -- I was not running an IRC server, nor was I on the receiving end of a DOS attack; they were merely seeing traffic going to my web server and didn't believe me when I told them that's what it was. They told me there was nothing else they could do, and that they were 100% sure that, if it wasn't a DOS attack, it was Verizon's fault.

So I called Verizon. Verizon was extremely helpful and some very good techs spent a lot of time trying to figure out what could be wrong. I spent several days on the phone with Verizon, and they even sent a tech out to my house to test the line. In the end, they assured me that it was absolutely not possible for the problem to be on their end.

Again, I called DSL-Only, and I told them what Verizon had said. They tried to tell me it was a DOS attack again. I once again managed to convince them that it could not possibly be a DOS attack. Once again, they refused to be helpful at all, claiming the problem was not on their side and that it had to be Verizon.

Back I went to Verizon. They helpfully re-examined my line and, again, concluded that it could not be their fault. The Verizon tech then put through a conference call to DSL Only, and (after DSL Only put both of us on hold for nearly thirty minutes) they tried AGAIN to tell me I was being DOSed. Once again, with the Verizon tech muffling his laughter in the background, I explained to the DSL Only tech why that was not possible and why the amount of data he was seeing is NOT a DOS attack. He finally believed me, and said he would try some tests and call me back in 15 minutes.

45 minutes later, I had not received a call, so I called DSL Only. They claimed they needed to send someone to my house to test a new modem, and if the modem turned out to be the problem, they would charge me $125 an hour. Plus, the tech couldn't come for another three days. I refused. They finally agreed to let me go to their office, give them a check for a DSL modem, and test it myself (and return it if it turns out the modem wasn't the issue).

I was frustrated, upset, and worn out after weeks of trying to get my problem fixed. Verizon had gone out of their way to help me, and several of their techs even stayed late (one ran tests all night long) just to help me diagnose the problem. DSL Only, on the other hand, merely seemed interested in placating me with stories of DOS attacks, and were a lot more interested in blaming someone else.

In the end, the solution to the problem turned out to be quite simple. After reading some documentation on the EasyStreet website, I unplugged the Westel DSL modem for five minutes, then plugged it back in. Voila, problem solved. Neither Verizon or DSL Only had suggested this, and it turned out to be neither company's fault. It was apparently a known issue with this modem, though, which makes me wonder why they didn't suggest it.

The point of this tale is not to blame someone -- the problem obviously was not DSL Only's fault. But in the course of trying to figure out how to solve it, I found DSL Only to be generally unhelpful. They seemed to be more concerned with giving an appearance of helpfulness than with actually helping out. While Verizon went above and beyond the call of duty to help me, DSL Only chose to keep feeding me the same BS over and over again. Verizon's techs helped me enormously in narrowing down the problem and determining the cause, while DSL Only didn't give me a single helpful tidbit of information. On several occasions, they promised to call me back within a certain timeframe, only to break their promises (while Verizon always kept theirs). They did not ever, even once, believe that I knew what I was talking about, and consistently ignored the solid proof I presented to them that their DOS attack theory was not possible.

This review sounds overly negative, but the main idea is this: I love DSL Only because, overall, I think they are a good ISP. But if you ever have a problem more complex than a network cable being unplugged or DSL Only's main office having been hit by a meteor, good luck getting their tech support personnel to care.

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xyar
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xyar

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Most true geeks are like that

That's funny, your comment about tech support. Most true geeks I've met, or those who actually know what they're talking about, are like what you describe. I've been in tech support, and you'll find that the nicest ones are often the least knowledgable - they haven't been in tech support long enough to become bitter and resentful Or you've caught one who's in a rare good mood. You gotta understand the type of human who does tech support. I speak from having done it off and on since early 1998. I don't think DSL-Only is bad for the par, especially compared to the likes of some of our other local ISPs, past and present.

Ryan

Review by Jim624 See Profile

  • Location: Columbia Falls, Flathead, MT, USA
  • Cost: $39 per month (24 month contract)
  • Install: about 13 days
Alway's connects...good speed, up and down...good value
Tech support really, really sucks
Very good ISP if you know enuff about computers to handle the tech stuff yourself
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Over all a very good ISP.....I have had Centurytel ADSL for about 2 years now and have been very pleased with it. The tech support can sometimes be a little off....I swear some of the people they hire for call centers are dumber than a box of rocks. The Enternet 300 software was fairly competent but I love RASPPPOE so I use it instead. During the time I've had ADSL though Centurytel I have only experienced 2 outages.....and my computer stays on 24X7

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Review by SkullOne9 See Profile

  • Location: Portland, Multnomah, OR, USA
  • Cost: $39 per month (month by month)
  • Install: about 12 days
  • Telco party Qwest
  • CLEC party: Qwest
Everything about DSL Only is awesome
Great buy, great support
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Its been almost 2 years with DSL Only now. I had DSL with another ISP originaly, and quit because billing issues.
After 2 years, I can honestly say I would recomend DSL Only to anyone looking for an honest and reliable ISP.
I had 1 brush with DSL Only, but it was purely my fault.
My DSL line has been down maybe 30 minutes in the last 12 months. Ping times are always stable, and my downloads are always fast.

Its hard to beleive some people have negative experience with an ISP that has so many good reviews... the customers must be doing someting to receive bad service.

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join:2000-09-12
Portland, OR

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4 Years Later

Well, 2 years or so after my original review, and I still whole heartedly recomend DSL-Only.
Right now, I actualy work for a competing ISP in the area (for fear of my job, I wont mention it) and I would take DSL-Only over the almost-free service I could get from my work.
More often then not, I'm on my computer/online. Im a true gamer in every sense of the word, and I do network consulting on the side, Cisco Certified, and so on, so this review isnt just heresay, its personal experience, based on technical knowledge.
To put it simply, DSL-Only is just great. I just wish I got a free shirt and christmas card like some other customers, I must have been forgotten
*hint anyone at DSL-Only*

Review by jarhead930 See Profile

  • Location: Beaverton, Washington, OR, USA
  • Cost: $50 per month
  • Telco party Verizon
Most reliable service I have experianced
None come to mind...
Great bargain, dont know what anyone was talking about with the service problems...
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I have been reading quite a few bad reviews of DSL Only's service. Not only do I feel that these claims are harsh and unsubstantiated, but I heartily disagree. As a former Technical Support Rep, I think that Wonko's problem would have puzzled me a great deal and since it would have indeed looked like a DOS attack. I know I would have given the same response.

I have had DSL Only for as long as I've had DSL (many years now) and I have only been down once on DSL Only's end, and with both Jasmine's and Shawns (forgive me if I spell those wrong) help, service was restored quickly and painlessly. In fact, even in times when the problem wasn't in fact on the end of DSL-Only, their representatives helped me and helped the verizon agents.

My only "complaint" would date back to my installation, which was a very long time ago, but even then, that wasnt DSL Only's fault. Verizon put the DSL on the wrong line in our house, so we had no service when we were supposed to, but EVEN THEN, Jasmine talked to me in the midst of an office and phone system overhaul, AFTER the office closed to help me get online and figure out what was going on.

In fact, just today I called in to order service at my new apartment and was helped by a very nice young lady who was very friendly and polite and was a great help. These guys are a really great bargain, they offer great service, great speeds, unbeatable reliability, and frankly, to all the tech support whiners that posted, one simple rule would speed things a long a great bit, treat others the way you wanted to be treated. I would place a great deal of money on the customer being at fault for any bad relations with the tech support.

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Vancouver, WA

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Yeah.

My bad review was harsh and I have tons of email threads and ping data that show they have an internal routing problem as well as DNS issues. I can back up my bad review. Since they were bought out by pdx.net the issues have been getting worse. BTW, Jasmine had me on hold for 45 mins without coming back and letting me know what was going on. That's really rude!
[text was edited by author 2002-06-26 06:30:21]
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Re: Yeah.

By all means. Post them. I'd be intruiged to see them, I have never had any out of the ordinary DNS issues or routing problems. For, gosh, must have been 7 years?
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Beaverton, OR

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Lets see it

I would like to see them too. If you are that unhappy with DSL-Only, then friggin get another ISP. They have been nothing short of great in my dealings with them over the past 2 years, and the 45 minutes on hold with Jasmine thing, Sorry, I just dont buy it. Dude. Post your stuff, so we can all read it, get another ISP, and be done with it.

Ciao

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Tracing route to www.yahoo.akadns.net [66.218.71.84]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 10 ms 14 ms 10 ms 192.168.0.1
2 138 ms 41 ms 27 ms sub25-129.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.25.129]
3 41 ms 41 ms 28 ms oxygen.dsl-only.net [63.105.16.41]
4 165 ms 69 ms 27 ms sl-gw11-sea-6-0-ts8.sprintlink.net [160.81.36.10
9]
5 41 ms 28 ms 41 ms sl-bb20-sea-9-2.sprintlink.net [144.232.6.125]
6 27 ms 41 ms 28 ms sl-bb20-sea-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.6.90]
7 28 ms 27 ms 41 ms pos6-0.hsa2.seattle1.level3.net [209.0.227.145]

8 28 ms 27 ms 42 ms ae0-55.mp1.seattle1.level3.net [64.159.16.129]
9 151 ms 82 ms 55 ms so-2-0-0.mp2.sanjose1.level3.net [64.159.0.218]

10 55 ms 41 ms 55 ms gige10-0.ipcolo4.sanjose1.level3.net [64.159.2.4
2]
11 55 ms 41 ms 68 ms cust-int.level3.net [64.152.81.62]
12 96 ms 69 ms 55 ms vl17.bas2.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.64.150]
13 137 ms 69 ms 68 ms w5.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.71.84]

Trace complete.

I dunno man, looks pretty damned good to me. All I've seen since the merger/buyout/strategic partnership with pdx.net is added service and a helluva lot more routing through pdx.net's additional backbone connections. uu.net isn't always the best route, and it's nice having alternatives!

I've dealt with DSL-Only since they basically started, either with my own account or with my customers', and I haven't seen much in the way of internal routing or DNS issues other than the standard occasional problems that every ISP faces. Besides, if you don't like their DNS, you can always set up your own DNS server! Much faster...

Just about every problem I've had with general access over the last year or so has been related to *my* equipment, not theirs... rebooting your DSL bridge and firewall does wonders.. try it sometime. You *do* have a firewall, right?

Ryan
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..|..

From tonight.
Target Name: www.myg0t.com
IP: 66.250.136.173
Date/Time: 9/28/2002 12:11:55 AM

1 0 ms [192.168.0.1]
2 30 ms gateway19.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.19.1]
3 150 ms oxygen.dsl-only.net [63.105.16.41]
4 120 ms Serial1-3.GW3.POR2.ALTER.NET [157.130.181.73]
5 90 ms 124.at-1-0-0.XR2.POR3.ALTER.NET [152.63.105.166]
6 60 ms 0.so-0-1-0.XL2.POR3.ALTER.NET [152.63.107.118]
7 30 ms 0.so-0-0-0.TL2.POR3.ALTER.NET [152.63.107.153]
8 30 ms 0.so-4-2-0.TL2.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.0.134]
9 30 ms 0.so-7-0-0.XL2.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.54.9]
10 30 ms 0.so-4-0-0.XR2.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.54.6]
11 30 ms 184.ATM4-0.BR1.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.51.65]
12 30 ms [205.215.2.13]

Notice the high times one hop from the gateway to the router. ..|..

Mongo38
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these must be a joke

I never got close to what the rest of these say they are getting!!!

Review by ehurtley See Profile

  • Location: Hillsboro, Washington, OR, USA
  • Cost Contract price not specified.
  • Telco party Verizon (ex GTE)
  • CLEC party: Qwest
DSL Only had good service
GTE kept screwing me, Qwest lines sucked
If you can stand your telco, it's good.
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With DSL Only, I had good speed, no network dropouts, good access to mail/news/etc. Got a static IP, ran my own little server, and life was good. The US West line was terrible. I ran a new line from the NID DIRECTLY to the DSL modem (2 ft, just inside the premesis.) But I lost sync at least once a week for a few minutes at a time. This was just after US West started offering DSL, so it was 'rated' at 256/256, but US West didn't cap their lines, so I'd regularly get over 600kbps. I would ask US West to come fix the lines, but they'd just say that they didn't guarantee it would be up for any period of time. (How's that for good, no guarantee that it would EVER be up.) I lived in the Hawthorne/Belmont area of SE Portland.

But then I moved.

To GTE land! Mid-Eastern Hillsboro (Reedville area, near Century High School), here I come. Again, ordered DSL with DSL Only, again, good ordering, fast hookup (once the line was provisioned from GTE) and decent speed (768/128.) Again, no network outages, no mail/news/etc problems. This time, I was in a new part of town, with new lines, so the connection was rock solid (my server was up, with a constant, uninterrupted connection to the internet for over 3 months before I accidentally turned off the wrong breaker.) But, after about 6 months, GTE started billing me (on top of what I actually had) for an ISDN line! I called to say I hadn't ordered, and hadn't had installed, an ISDN line, and the first time they said they'd get it taken care of. After the second bill with it (I hadn't paid the ISDN charge) it said not only that I owed for ISDN for a second month, but that I was delinquent for the ISDN charge for the first month. Again I call, this time I'm told that I had ISDN, and had to pay for it. HUH? I only had one pair of copper coming to my house, and it contained an analog line and a DSL signal. I had no ISDN. During my dispute, another month passed, with another ISDN charge. At this point they said they were going to send me to collections for my delinquency. I just flat out refused to pay the charges, and they eventually shut off my entire service. (I had planned for it, and had been relying on my cell phone almost exclusively for a year anyway, so I didn't really miss losing the analog line.) I just ignored them, and two months later got a refund for overpayment, and a request that I reconnect my line. Fat chance.

I went without home phone or DSL service for 8 months before I moved again, and got out of GTE/Verizon territory.

So, I have to say that DSL Only was a good company, but I had constant problems with my telco.

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