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Review by kdepasquale See Profile

  • Location: Oakland, Alameda, CA, USA
  • Cost Contract price not specified.
  • Install: about 15 days
  • No Cap
Reliable service, blazing fast speeds, amazing ISP
They're so popular installation appointments can be booked two weeks out
Fast, reliable speed from a responsible, locally-owned ISP
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Amazingly fast speeds (10gbps symmetrical), reliable, and an honest ISP.

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Review by bobrk See Profile

  • Location: San Jose, Santa Clara, CA, USA
  • Cost: $75 per month
  • No Cap
great support, fantastic reliability and speed, excellent spam tools
nothing is bad
as good as the reviews say
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This review has turned into somewhat of a connection diary. Every 6 months, DSLReports asks me to update my review, so that's what I do. My original review is at the bottom, and each update is placed above it.

The straight summary here is that I have had this service since 2002 and love it completely. On this account I have gone from the lowest level of DSL to 10Gbps fiber. Quite epic.

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12/14/2022

Just got Sonic 10Gbps fiber. Squee.

Since I originally got my Sonic/AT&T fiber, I've become a work from home person, and having gigabit ethernet is gamechanging.

To now have the yoke of AT&T thrown off and now be connected directly to Sonic native fiber (and getting 10Gbps, which I can't even use!) is amazing.

There were two visits involved. The fiber guy brought the fiber from the pole to a box on the back of the house and tested the speed.

The inside installer guy brought the fiber from the box on the back of the house to the point where the interface box would be. The interface box has ethernet out and also pots out.

When we first hooked it up, the eero had some problems figuring out what was going on, and the guy offered to do an upgrade to the latest euros, which I went ahead and did.

Since then, everything has been working great.

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10/23/2019

There must be some little alarm in my head that makes me go back to these reviews. It's seems it's been about a year since my last report. I'm not even sure if DSLReports is really where people even come any more to find out about broadband service in their neighborhoods, but maybe somebody does, so I'll keep updating this.

So it looks like I've had this 1Gbps fiber for a year now, seems crazy but I guess it's true. It is so great not having to wait for anything to download any more.

I did solve my WiFi problems by going ahead and renting an eero setup from Sonic. I know it's a ripoff, but it's only $16/mo, and I just wanted to try out mesh networking. I got the base unit and the two beacons and distributed them around my house. My connectivity is a little better in the backyard, but everywhere else, I get great speed. It's not always 1Gbps, but 500-800Kbps is nothing to sneeze at.

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10/14/2018

Typically DSLReports used to send me a reminder to update my review. This hasn't happened in quite a while so since my service has now changes, I'll write about it.

A few months ago, AT&T strung fiber in my neighborhood. I posted on the Sonic forums to see if they would be able to offer a wholesale connection to this service, as they did for FTTN. Sure enough, they were working on it, and when the fiber went live in my neighborhood, I signed up for an upgrade to 1Gbps fiber. Sonic rolled an AT&T tech to come and hook up my service, and I can truly say it is amazing.

I may have to buy new WiFi hardware as the current system I'm using, an Apple Time Capsule, is not delivering full line speed. In addition, its Ethernet ports are not up to gigabyte speeds, even though they are advertised as such. Typically I will set the AT&T equipment to passthrough and let my ATC do the NATing and DHCPing, but I may move back to the Arris equipment supplied by AT&T, just because it's newer and on the Ethernet, I can get full speed.

I'm getting to the point where I will probably stop monitoring the connection all the time to see if it's up and working correctly. There is so much head room for multiple people using streaming services that you can't even tell if anyone else is on the internet. As always, I'm still using Sonic's excellent IMAP mail service and tech support on the very rare occasions that I need it is caring, thorough and courteous.

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1/15/16

9 months of FTTN have been awesome. No more buffering on HD TV broadcasts, and several devices in the house can stream at the same time with no issues. Connectivity has been great.

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4/12/15

Signed up for the new Fusion FTTN product, and porting my old ATT number over to Sonic's phone service.

1. They sent me a couple of emails, regarding my new service, a temporary Sonic phone number that would be used until my number got ported, and e911 service.
2. They sent me a phone adapter so VOIP would work off the modem.
3. An ATT tech came out, hooked me up to the VRAD a couple blocks away and installed an ATT UVerse modem. Voila, 22Mbps.
4. Only glitch was it took many hours for the phone number to start working.

Very happy camper.

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1/15/15

Still pretty awesome, waiting for them to start offering a new product in my area, essentially resold U-Verse. The moment that is available, I will jump on it.

Otherwise, day to day 6Mbps down, like a rock.

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8/28/13

Always available and always listening, this company rocks. If I wasn't behind a remote terminal, I would use them for Fusion and get my phone from them, too.

Rock solid in the modern era of streaming Netflix. And they waived my website fee. I guess it pays to be a long time customer.

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8/13/12

Steaming along perfectly still.

I also switched my account from Dynamic IP to Static IP to try out the IPV6 Tunneling which seems to work ok.

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10/7/11

The service is reliable like the water supply. With DirecTV disconnected, we have two HDTV's pulling numerous different feeds off the Roku and AppleTV with nary a hiccup.

As I stated last time, the only possible improvement that could be made would be moving to Fusion, which is impossible because I'm connected to a remote terminal.

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1/25/11

Still awesome. Still bummed I can't get the fusion service, though. I've just unplugged my satellite tv and need more bandwidth!

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7/7/10

Well, since I'm on a Remote Terminal, I can't get the Fusion product, which is now available in my area.

Good thing I'm still happy with my 6MB service and my 100% availability.

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1/1/10

Pretty much a perfect year. I don't think I had to call them once.

I am hoping that their fusion service will come to my neighborhood. It's bonded DSL lines that produce even more bandwidth.

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6/15/09

Service is so good that it is almost completely out of sight, out of mind. Even BT and Netflix traffic do not perturb its perfection.

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12/12/08

Same old, same old. I was just looking at my monitors here at DSLReports, and they are delightfully boring. The Zoom modem they setn me has been flawless with no rebooting needed at any time. The spam filtering on email is nearly perfect, maybe 1 or 2 spams get to my mailbox a week. People use my sonic hosted website as a test of their networks, since it's always up.

I would recommend Sonic to anyone in their service area.

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6/11/08

Not a lot new to report. My Meraki doesn't get much use from outside folks. I have a plan to reposition it, but I haven't done that yet. The Zoom modem is still working great.

I've begun using some of the other features of my account, using 4 real mailboxes, 4 mailing lists and 20 domain email addresses. It usually just takes moments to set something new up.

The spam filters catch between 5 and 20 emails a day, with only one or two hitting my mailboxes.

Otherwise, service is rock solid, with published service levels always achieved.

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12/6/07

Time for the 6 month checkup. I still have the high speed account. I still have dynamic IP, although it pretty much never changes.

I also signed up for the Meraki WiFi access point. They send you a tiny WAP, and an ethernet switch, and you plug it all together and if somebody uses it, either a freebie user or a Sonic customer, you get a kickback. No one's used mine yet, but hey, I'm giving it a shot.

The spam filters are pretty much perfect. I have to go save an email about once a month or less from the grey mail system, but other than that, it stops anywhere from 5 to 30 emails a day.

The network rocks. Super solid, and ping to first hop has been 8ms pretty constantly. Network issues are dealt with quickly and you always know what's happening there with an MOTD mailed to you whenever they come out.

So after all these years, I'd still recommend Sonic.

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6/6/07

Indeed, the connection is rock solid once again, and the speed is insane. I should have gotten a new modem right when this first started.

Anyway, much has been made of the fact that Sonic uses AT&T DSL to get the job done and that AT&T gives Sonic the run around. Well, I just have to say that it really isn't true in my case. I had an earlier incident right after Sonic started selling the 6MB service, and Sonic was able to get (then SBC) AT&T people out to check out the situation, where they did a very professional job of analysis. In this most recent case, the AT&T guy did a great job once again, and even asked me where I got my NID POTS DSL splitter--he'd never seen one like that before.

So I feel that the idea of AT&T giving Sonic the runaround is a myth.

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6/1/07

Well, it turned out that the modem was probably dying. After another month or two, the modem started dropping packets and losing sync all the time. I thought it was either the line or the internal network, but both of those checked out fine.

I asked for another loaner Zoom, which arrived earlier this evening. After a few hours, it seems to be working great. We'll give it a few more days, but I think it's going to work just fine.

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2/13/07

In one week, I had to reboot the modem twice. I went back to my good ol' Broadmax and everything is back to speediness.

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2/7/07

Just upgraded my speed. Took less than a week to do and the only hitch was they didn't tell me to reboot my modem, which would have been nice. Until I rebooted it, the speeds were funky, but afterwards they're great. They offered to send me a loaner Zoom modem to trouble shoot, with an option of upgrading to it for $50. I'm currently evaluating the modem to see if it's any better than the Broadmax they sent me back in '02.

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7/19/06

Still great. The network seems to just get better and better, and the attention to detail and service levels is astounding. I would recommend this company to anyone unequivocally.

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1/18/06

I moved. Sonic moved with me. Was pretty painless once I understood the system, and as always, the DSL synced before the due date.

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9/14/05

I decided to downgrade my service to save money. I'm now on the Pro DSL service. Solid 3Mbps service down and a lot less money.

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12/22/04

Well, it's been nearly two years since I signed up for Sonic, and I still can't believe how good the service is. You can read about most of it above, but I think the thing that really needs to be emphasized is the great customer service. From diagnosing a bad card in an R/T and rolling the SBC truck to fix it to telling me to reboot my modem in a nice way when my dsl dies, it's really a company that is a pleasure to deal with.

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6/16/04

Just added web hosting to my account. This involved moving my domain name from my last ISP, repointing MX records and signing up for the new service. All were accomplished using automated tools, and everything went quite smoothly. The web hosting is a little pricey at $20/mo, but I like having everything in the same place. Basic Hosting also includes 24 email aliases and 100MB of storage.

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2/21/04 update

Just received the 6000/608 upgrade service offered by Sonic, and it rocks. There were some problems with people that were on RTs, as I found out I was, with ratecaps being needed in the Redback routers to limit the amount of speed. This keeps the downloads and uploads very stable and gives the user the full experience of what can only be described as AWESOME INTERNET! I'm extremely happy with Sonic and would recommend it to anybody!

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8/5/03 update

sonic.net rocks. There are simply no problems. My modem always syncs now, the speed is decent, certainly what I paid for, although I think I can get it higher by installing a point-of-entry pots device, but I haven't made the time for that yet. The email is great, with built in spam controls, which are easy to configure, and there are 3 news servers available. When there are problems with the ISP, notices are sent out via email and newsgroups as well as being posted on the web page.

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12/30/02 update

I got the new modem and it acted just like the old one. I got a sync light, though, but I had to unplug all my phones to get it to come on. Plugging them all back in did not cancel the light, so i guess it does have something to do with all the filters. In any case, the speed is adequate, and the support great. I haven't phoned them at all, but they've followed up every email inquiry and even checked up on my situation several times.

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(Original review)

After years hearing about sonic net on ba.internet, I finally had the chance to give them a try. I was with DIRECTV DSL when they went out of business, so I ordered sonic.net on my other line. I tend to judge isp's on how easy it is to hook up on line, and within just a few moments, I had a username and a basic internet account on line. The DSL installation went smoothly as well, with a clear email telling me what was going to happen, when to expect the installer and when to expect the equipment.

The Broadmax modem came, I plugged it in, and I didn't see a sync light. It blinked a couple of times, but that was just the setup. When my supposed hookup day arrived, I went ahead and switched my router over from the DTV modem on the second line, to the new modem. Sure enough, I had traffic, and yet the sync light was not on. WAN and LAN told me that everything was ok.

I didn't know if the sync light was supposed to be on, and the modem was working fine, so I bounced this off the sonic.dsl newsgroup (one of many that are hosted there) and Dane suggested that I contact support. If you become a sonic.net customer, you will get to know Dane. He probably interacts personally with every customer. The support people offered to trade modems, to see if the modem itself was defective, and I'm now awaiting the new modem.

My only beef with the service right now is I'm getting slightly less on download then I was getting with DTV. It's countered by slightly higher upload speeds and a low 20ms ping.

I'll update this review when the modem situation is solved.

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Evil Furby
join:2002-03-08
Houston, TX

Evil Furby

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Ummm

So the connection was not 100% reliable yet you gave it 5 stars. I swear these sonic.net reviews get fishier and fishier every time. If i had to unplug ALL my phones just to get my dsl modem to sync i sure as hell wouldn't give the ISP 5 stars for "connection reliability" or "installation"...one or the other. Oh well sonic.net magically pulls in another perfectly, 100%, "i never ever have problems even though they over charge the sh*t out of me" customer....god even the price for that DSL sucks....Yet they get 5 stars down the boards hahaha.

bobrk
You kids get offa my lawn
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join:2000-02-02
San Jose, CA
·SONIC

bobrk

Premium Member

Re: Ummm

said by Evil Furby:
So the connection was not 100% reliable yet you gave it 5 stars. I swear these sonic.net reviews get fishier and fishier every time. If i had to unplug ALL my phones just to get my dsl modem to sync i sure as hell wouldn't give the ISP 5 stars for "connection reliability" or "installation"...one or the other.
No, my modem syncs fine now with the phones plugged in. The reliability has nothing to do with that and you know it. The problem happens with any self install that includes microfilters.
said by Evil Furby:
Oh well sonic.net magically pulls in another perfectly, 100%, "i never ever have problems even though they over charge the sh*t out of me" customer....god even the price for that DSL sucks....Yet they get 5 stars down the boards hahaha.
IF you could get the service out there in Texas, you would know. WTF, anyway? You don't have anything to do but read reviews of service you CAN"T GET?
gusomaki
join:2002-02-01
San Francisco, CA

gusomaki to Evil Furby

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to Evil Furby
Hiroshima is a "funny guy" in that he apparently lives to respond bash any positive sonic review. I guess everyone needs a purpose in life...

Welcome to the internet. Out of all the people online, one of them is going to have nothing better to do than troll on DSL reports about a DSL provider 1000 miles away, thta they can't even get...

Reminds me of that hit song that launched Beck's career...

bobrk
You kids get offa my lawn
Premium Member
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San Jose, CA

bobrk

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Re: Ummm

Thanks for the welcome, although you can find posts from me on USENET dating back to '93, and I posted on Compu$erve back in the '89ish time frame, so I've pretty much seen it all, including dudes like this.
russwong
join:2003-02-04
San Francisco, CA

1 recommendation

russwong

Member

Can't people just let them be happy?

I really don't see why all these people care if Sonic is getting good reviews, fake or real. If they are really a shitty isp, it will come out. If you guys are worried about people being mislead and ordering the service on false pretenses, it will also come out, since they must know about dslreports in order to see the reviews and if their experience sucks, I assume they will post about it and challenge all the reviews.

As for Sonic, I would take these doubters as a compliment. Kinda like when I'm playing an online game (CS) and I kick ass and people accuse me of being a cheater. I know what's real and that I don't cheat, so being called one is a compliment. So Sonic be proud and be happy and just remember, don't ruin a good thing and don't forget how you got to this point. Stay true to your roots.

Thanks again.

A Happy Sonic Customer

emjayef4
Mjf
join:2000-10-10
Pleasant Hill, CA

emjayef4

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Re: Can't people just let them be happy?

I like your post. You're right, and I think I will take your advice. Next time tex posts his delusional fantasies, I'll just smile and feel good that I have an ISP that is unbelievably good (at least to one troll)!

Almighty1
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join:2003-05-14
San Francisco, CA

Almighty1

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Re: Can't people just let them be happy?

russwong has said it very well indeed. Usually, you know something is good when there are some people who try to make it look bad because they couldn't get it no matter what! People are just jealous that we have a ISP that performs 6Mbps/608kbps with 8 static IPs while their dynamic IP connectio with slower guaranteed rates at more expensive prices can't hold a candle to us.
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PSINHA
join:2007-02-08
San Jose, CA

PSINHA

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Sneaky...

Switched back to SBC Yahoo! after a year with Sonic.net. Got cheaper price and no contract for the same speed.

Sonic provisions through SBC and move to SBC Yahoo! was painless ... except, Sonic keeps charging me. They never returned calls when I leave messages, they have high call volumes and won't refund because they don't show the account as "cancelled". Sneaky little buggers...after I had talked to them a few times since the account got moved. Try to leave a message when their call volumes are high and they'll never return calls. They had removed my user-id the day account switched and say that they were charging for internet access - for what? - access the aether with no DSL? Morons...Never again. Sonic.net is a two bit player with no people to handle the call volumes.

Sonic.net totally depends on SBC for all issues...and SBC runs them around. 5 days to get a technician when SBC Yahoo! own accounts have tech onsite in a day...

Unhappy with sonic.net in the valley

Review by grvfs See Profile

  • Location: undisclosed location
  • Cost: $50 per month
Solid, and reliable service
Speed is not adequate for 2016 standards; Porting number out is NIGHTMARE!
Sonic is great company, but unless you qualify for their fiber (limited areas), speeds are painfully slow!
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02 - 06 - 2016 Update:

Port out process with Sonic was a complete nightmare. They couldn't provided me with correct information until after 2 weeks.

I posted my porting process in the following thread.

»Tips on porting phone number away from Sonic?

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Original Review:

I've been with Sonic since 2011 when AT&T introduced caps on their DSL package. An year later, when Sonic Fusion service became available in my area, I signed up immediately so I had full ADSL2+ and phone service from Sonic directly.

Sonic offers internet + phone package called Fusion and advertised as $40. With taxes and fees, it comes out roughly $50/month in my area.

The service is outstanding. I can't remember the last time I had connection outages. Although my connection wasn't fast in terms of speed (16 down/0.85 up), it was the most reliable connection I had. There was no drops, or slowdowns during the use at any time of the day.

On the other hand, because my connection is so reliable, I can't really comment on their recent customer service. It was known to be excellent by many other Sonic customers in the past, but recently I've heard lots of complaints of long waiting times, inadequacy, etc. But of the few experience that I did have, I don't recall having any issues with their customer service.

The bad thing is that Sonic, for the most part, is still relying on the copper technology. If you were lucky and your loop length was short (2000 ft or less), you can expect to have much better speeds (up to 100 Mbps bonded with VDSL X2). But if you were in the "middle of the road" loop length (I'm around 4700 ft), only option you have is ADSL2+ (typically 15/1 at most).

I know Sonic is expanding their fiber network, and while that's great for people who qualify, it's long and slow process. If you're not even on the Sonic's fiber build out list, it could be a decade before you get to see any fiber or maybe never, who knows?

I stayed with Sonic for over 5 year and I don't regret it, but having the same speed 5 years after doesn't seem encouraging either. Sonic does have bonded option (X2) to double your speed, but paying $70/month for mere 30/1.7 upgrade wouldn't be worth it. So I'm currently in the process of switching to Comcast Xfinity because I could use more speed. I'm really sad it came down to this and I'll miss Sonic, but I won't miss their speed.

All in all, Sonic is great option if you can get their fiber, on a short loop length, or you just don't need much bandwidth and want great, reliable service. But otherwise, it's hard to justify paying more than $50/month for a decades old and slow copper technology.

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HaloFans
join:2006-12-18

1 recommendation

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Hoped Google would collaborate with them for a Google Fiber buildout.

I thought at one point Google contracted with Sonic to build out fiber, but that never really seemed to materialize. Seems like it was a very tiny footprint.

Review by aperer See Profile

  • Location: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, CA, USA
  • Cost: $65 per month (36 month contract)
  • Install: about 15 days
  • Telco party AT&T
Didn't go down; Tech support is there for you.
Won't let you return equipment you don't use;
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Subcontract from AT & T. Easier to get tech support than from At & T. Pretty basic company. After being a paying customer for 3 years, I go to cancel and they want to charge me for 30 days even though I'm only using 1 day this month. Refuse to prorate it in any way. And they make you keep any unused equipment in hopes you'll lose it and have to reimburse them (I don't use internet phone service but I have to keep track of the equipment for years until I cancel). They really couldn't care if they are ripping me off as soon as I cancel. That's it.

Turns out they did refund my fee after saying they wouldn't. I'm grateful for small mercies.

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Anon9fe62
@172.56.11.x

3 recommendations

Anon9fe62

Anon

Hmmm.

It's not subcontracted-the service is wholesaled. The service is ending though because Sonic is building their own Network. Also The service is called PREPAID. Meaning you prepay for the month regardless. One should read their TOS, it is clearly outlined it in. You can send back your device and not keep it- it's called leased- they can't make you keep it.

Lots of holes in your claims. One should learn to read the TOS.

TheDevil
join:2021-05-24
Seattle, WA

TheDevil

Member

Re: Hmmm.

I live in WA and can't get Sonic or AT&T, but have read the 30-day notice is an AT&T policy for resellers. Sonic doesn't do it on their owned GPON network since it's Sonic's rules.

Sonic can't prorate if AT&T demands the whole month has to be paid.

Review by jshaver See Profile

  • Location: San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, USA
  • Cost: $64 per month
  • Install: about 10 days
  • No Cap
Good service, decent price, good company to work with
Geographic area is limited
I would pick Sonic Gigabit fiber any time
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I have Gigabit fiber (residential). The install was quick and nicely done, they ran the fiber connection directly into the property and set me up with a small modem style box that converts to ethernet. It isn't a brand I recognize, but that doesn't mean much. I could have gotten a router from them, but am using my own equipment instead.

We have had sonic DSL and now fiber for many years and they have always provided a good service and been easy to work with.

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Review by klui See Profile

  • Location: Castro Valley, Alameda, CA, USA
  • Cost: $69 per month (12 month contract)
  • Install: about 20 days
  • Telco party AT&T
No transfer caps; competent support staff; good company
Substandard gateway; non-Sonic IP standard
An ISP that cares about its customers as well as its bottom line
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(2019-September-12)

Upgraded through Sonic's member portal to AT&T resold fiber. Three tiers are offered FX1 50 Mb, FX2 100 Mb, FX3 1000 Mb, all symmetric, no caps. AT&T has these tiers to my premises, 100 Mb, 300 Mb, 1000 Mb--the first 2 have 1 TB caps.

I chose the FX1 upgrade.

AT&T came to my home twice. The first time was after 10 days from my change order. They couldn't activate the ONT for unknown reasons. The tech had to call his support but after 1.5 hours they decided to cancel my order and create a new one with a followup visit. First visit took around 3.5 hours, 2 of them were to survey and ran a new outdoor fiber cable from a pole further down the street to another pole closest to my house then to my garage. The remaining time the tech tried to activate the ONT but didn't work. Second visit took less than an hour to just activate the ONT. The tech still couldn't do it but support was able to do so remotely. I was given a BGW210-700 RG. Since my service was 50 Mb, the RG showed the ONT port set to 100 Mb. Speed tests showed some overprovisioning. Latency is around 5 ms through IP Passthrough.

Sonic shipped me a new Grandstream HT801 ATA that's preprogrammed for my upgrade. Once the service was up, I left my old Grandstream ATA running on my VDSL Pace 5031NV RG. I asked Sonic tech support on the process and they told me the number port won't happen unless I start using the new ATA. The time between the number port was less than a day as opposed to my ADSL to VDSL upgrade's port that took 10 days.

Unlike the 5031NV RG, the BGW210-700 doesn't have DMZ+. Instead it has IP Passthrough. Functionally they are similar but the problem with IP Passthrough is people on this site state sessions are enforced by the BGW210. On the 5031NV, the sessions available actually drop to 0 but my 3rd-party firewall will still handle sessions over 1024. The BGW210 has 8K sessions. There is a bug in the BGW210: if I change the device access code authentication is disabled. I have not rebooted the RG to check if that will correct this behavior.

There was one unexpected problem with the phone number port. All my contacts on my soft phone (Accession, and Sonic Mobile Communicator) were wiped. Even the transition number's contacts were empty. Sonic is aware of the issue and should warn/auto-migrate for future subscribers.

My post on Sonic's forums: »forums.sonic.net/viewtop ··· &t=13495

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EDIT (2015-June-02): Looks like the trouble with the modem's web server going AWOL is due to some memory leak. Sonic has indicated they've had the same experience with another Pace CPE. »forums.sonic.net/viewtop ··· 7#p18787

EDIT (2015-May): Sonic's legacy ADSL1 tools indicated my legacy connection was being sunset and I could migrate to their Fusion FTTN product. Fusion FTTN is resold AT&T U-verse. I was one of the first customers who migrated from legacy ADSL1 to FTTN so there were a few unexpected roadblocks on Sonic's infrastructure end that delayed service completion. The service change requires a 12-month commitment followed by month-to-month commitment. Any change to the subscription (X2/bonding) will reset the commitment to 12-months+month-to-month. My migration did not let me choose pair bonding (X2), but I can change at any time. My old AT&T telephone number was ported to Sonic's VoIP. But because the process was new it took 10 business days from the time I got connected. Sonic does not want to queue up the porting process because they have no way of knowing when a subscriber would get connected. I was given a temporary VoIP number during the interim. So from the time I ordered online, I got connected after 19 days. And then 10 business days (14 calendar days) after that my phone was ported. Dane at Sonic told us the phone porting process should take 3-4 business days.

Major benefits of Sonic's Fusion FTTN legacy ADSL1 are:

1. More speed than 6 Mbps downstream. Some individuals may not be served by a VRAD but even for those situations they will get a small boost in speed because U-verse will use PTM instead of ATM, which eliminates some encapsulation overhead.

2. Phone service provided without having to subscribe to an AT&T land line.

3. No transfer caps written in the Terms of Service.

A traditional land line is beneficial however the only portion of our internet subscription's bill that has gone up is the land line from around $20 to over $30 during the past 3-4 years. What used to cost around $75/month for Sonic's ADSL1 @ 6 Mbps is now $56.19 ($40 is the base internet service, while the rest are the gateway/ATA rental and telephone fees): FTTN @ 18 Mbps, overprovisioned to 23 Mbps and all the benefits of Sonic's Fusion phone service: call waiting, forwarding, 8 hours of borderless calling, etc.

Sonic's FTTN phone is VoIP and they supply a Grandstream HT701 ATA. Softphone capability exists through Accession. The ATA is configured on Sonic's end and the device's configuration is locked out. Like all CPEs, there is a "reset configuration" button on the ATA. One must be aware that if one pushes that button, all configuration specific to the customer will be lost and one has to contact Sonic to get the configuration resynchronized.

Disadvantages to Sonic's Fusion FTTN are:

1. The phone is VoIP so if the internet is down, the phone won't work. As someone who likes to play with equipment I am not a fan of the device being locked out so I can't monitor it. Sonic's members tools page contains some settings we can change. The ATA requires a rental fee of $6.50/month.

2. The gateway is supplied by AT&T since they own the entire infrastructure, unlike in legacy ADSL1 where Sonic has more control. I am forced to rent a gateway (Pace 5031nv) for the service at $6.50/month. Like all AT&T gateways they are substandard because a lot of their features are either disabled or not available. Features like true bridge mode, SNMP monitoring, and telnet/ssh interface are not there. Since U-verse requires 802.1x authentication using the certificate embedded within the modem all subscribers need to use an approved gateway.

3. Because the entire FTTN infrastructure is owned by AT&T Fusion FTTN subscribers get an AT&T IP unlike in legacy ADSL1 where I got a Sonic IP. Sonic is planning to provide static IP addresses that are in the Sonic IP space but it will most likely come in the form of a VPN connection.

4. Speeds in Fusion FTTN are capped according to AT&T's tiered model. For those who are on Sonic's regular Fusion subscription, are close enough to the CO, and whose line cards have been upgraded to VDSL2, they get uncapped bandwidth. So if pair's maximum sync rate is over 50 Mbps, they should get close to that accounting for margin instead of the normal U-verse 25311 Kbps rate. Fusion FTTN does not have a 32 Mbps tier.

5. The gateway takes around 2 minutes to boot. My guess is most of this time is spent in recreating the device's local certificates since the web page's SSL cert changes after each reboot. My old Cayman 3546 that I used for legacy ADSL1 took less than 10 seconds to boot.

6. I monitor my modem's statistics using a script created by TestBoy »/profi ··· /1681305 that I modified. »Perl script to grab data from the NVG589. If I get the stats every 5 minutes, the gateway's web server will return 404 errors for all pages after 3.5 days. My internet connection still works and I can still ping the gateway. When I did the same for my 3546 using its telnet interface I had no such issue. More info later.

My post on Sonic's forums: »forums.sonic.net/viewtop ··· 4#p17844

Finally a shout out to the AT&T techs who did the install. They were fantastic.

EDIT (~2013/2014): System asked for an update. Sonic continues to be a great ISP. While our underlying AT&T service has seen price increases, our Sonic ADSL1 service has remained steady. Service has been very stable. I can't create another review for Sonic, but my parents' service from Sonic.net is also working well. They have seen service features added such as free calls to all 50 states, free calls to most-called country per continent, free static IP with no additional increase in monthly payment. My in-laws have seen their U-verse go from a promotional $50/month to $70 for 1.5Mbps service.

EDIT (2011): got the go-live date incorrect. The thread linked at the bottom has the correct dates.

(2011) I switched from 6Mbps AT&T legacy ADSL1 service after being served by them for around 10 years because of its transfer cap policy. Having seen Dane's interview at Triangulation »twit.tv/tri5 I decided to give them a try. It's unfortunate I couldn't get Fusion since I'm served off a remote terminal. Sonic also resells AT&T's legacy ADSL1 services but requires that I remain an AT&T phone customer. This is the route I took. Since I just switched ADSL1 providers, the turnaround was ~3 days--I was told 3-5 days--instead of the 5-14 for Fusion. The longer forecast is for people who have AT&T U-verse and a new wire needs to be pulled to a customer's home. The actual go live date was a Monday morning.

Sonic's CPE use ATM bridged encapsulation instead of PPPoE so my Netopia 3546-002 continues to work with the same VPI/VCI numbers with the required change in encapsulation. I was confused by a modem's network bridge mode vs. ATM bridged encapsulation but the people in the Sonic.net forum set me straight.

They offer a modem with rebate for the cost of the device if you sign up for 12 months. The rebate does not include shipping charge. I found that attractive and if things work out, I will give the modem to my parents as I migrate them away from AT&T as they qualify for Sonic Fusion. Sonic currently has a 12-month commitment discount of $20/month over the regular price of $39.95/month for 6Mbps. The monthly cost I entered does not include this discount but includes my AT&T telco portion--and is essentially the same price as my old AT&T package. If I could get Fusion, my cost would have dropped to around $50.

Sonic offers some free services to their ISP customers. Their webpage describes them in detail but the one I thought was valuable is FAX send and receive capability--which I've used several times already. An interesting retro service is shell access but you need to register first as I was not able to login. You're also given free web space with some quota but I have not provisioned the service either. Finally, a nice touch is they provide a Cisco VPN client for their VPN gateways.

A caveat for people considering going to Sonic from AT&T ADSL1 to Sonic ADSL1 is you need to let Sonic know your current speed so you can carry that over. Some people have had AT&T's 6Mbps package but got bumped down to 3Mbps after the switch over and AT&T would not re-provision the line at 6Mbps.

»Cayman 3546-002 w/ Sonic.net documents my transition.

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Stat update

I couldn't update the stats in my original post but around 2 weeks ago, I noticed a phone cord that was not connected to a phone had the DSL filter at its tail end. The telephone cord was connected to the wall, followed by the filter.

Moving the filter to the wall first caused the modem's noise margin to improve from 13-14 dB to 17-18 dB. Don't know what I was thinking when I connected the filter--most likely laziness in my part was a big factor.

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Review by Cliff Stoll See Profile

  • Location: Oakland, Alameda, CA, USA
  • Cost: $68 per month
  • Install: about 4 days
Wow - Sonic gigabit fiber - speedy, reliable, easy, and cheap. Excellent installation, terrific install crew!
Contract bundles a voip telephone line. Adds about $15 to the cost, and unnecessary in this day of cellular phones.
We're over the moon for our Sonic gigabit fiber.
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Sonic gigabit fiber optic service in Oakland, California (Rockridge area). Absolutely wonderful - amazingly fast, no bandwidth or usage caps, month-to-month term, extraordinarily competent sales & installation people.

Optical Network Termination is Altran ONT-411 -- 3 inch square by 1 inch deep -- installed in the crawlspace of my house (next to our house router).

3 years ago, the estimated rollout date was 2018-September. Because of permit problems, this was pushed back to 2019-April. Sonic lit up our fiber on 2019-May-16. And, oh my, is it lit up! Goodbye to DSL, farewell to copper!

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Review by speedstaz See Profile

  • Location: Albany, Alameda, CA, USA
  • Cost: $61 per month
  • Install: about 14 days
  • No Cap
Fast, fast fiber, great service. No contract, no
Fiber not available everywhere in CA, but trucks are rolling.
Recommended and worth waiting for.
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We were Sonic.net DSL and Fusion Tele customers for 8 years in the Oakland-Berkeley CA area. Sonic support is very good; a human answers the phone or you can text them to call you directly. However DSL was slow due to our distance from the Central Office.

We were offered Fusion fiber for the same price as Tele and DSL in late 2017. It took 6 months before the fiber actually rolled, but maybe 1-week after it became available. Fiber installation by Sonic.net tech employee went smoothly, the tech arrived on time and the work took under 2 hours. Telephone was also easy to set up using the existing telecom wiring in the house.

We are happy with this super-fast service, going from 5 Mbps to 920 Mbps! We couldn't correctly measure top speeds until after we upgraded our home office computers. Fast! Fast!

Service comes with VOIP, which works far better than expected and better than former land line. VOIP worked even during a lengthy power outage due to the installed UPS device provided by Sonic (optional $100 purchase-worth it).

Had to reboot the fiber optical network terminal (ONT) once since we went live in June 2018. No other down time. Flawless service.

Sonic provides a Smart RG wireless router rental for $10 a month which comes with troubleshooting and maintenance by Sonic. This is Sonic's way to provide internal setup insurance. The Sonic Smart RG died and Sonic replaced it quickly. Great, but I configure my own network and decided to send the rental back to Sonic. No problem, no extra charges and now I don't need to pay for the router.

The fast service eventually challenged a 4-year old TP-Link Archer C8 router and I replaced it with a MikroTik Hap AC wireless router which I would recommend.

Sonic service is great. Happy for the fast internet.

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Congrats!

I really hope Sonic's Fiber service makes it to our neighborhood in Oakland. AT&T Fiber is fine but the price of Sonic's Fiber service is much better and it feels better supporting a local ISP.

Review by peterdmar See Profile

  • Location: San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, USA
  • Cost: $64 per month
  • Install: about 7 days
  • Telco party AT&T
extremely fast uncapped ADSL2+ plus pots telephone service
dropped internet connection 4 to 7 times a day average (09-21-15)
Extremely good value and excellent service
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I've been keeping my eyes out on sonic.net Fusion service for quite some time now and when they started offering uncapped ADSL2+ with free pots unlimited national telephone service, I have decided to make the switch from AT&T. This telephone service also included all of the goodies that AT&T charges extra for. The phone service does not include taxes and government fees that add about another $14 or so per month for the city of San Francisco. The unlimited telephone service is subjected to their fair use policy that at present includes up to 10,000 minutes per month or 12 hours daily and up to 100 call outs daily per line. They also offer bonded where for double the price and double the speed for those who needs it. It comes with two phone services instead of one. I opted for the single line service and have my existing phone number ported to the new service. I placed an order on October 25, 2010 and shortly receive an e-mail from them that the installation will occur on November 1, 2010 at 11 AM. On the morning of November 1, at around 11:10 AM, I noticed the Internet service went down followed by the phones. I've immediately reconfigure my old Efficient 5100b modem that had been from AT&T to bridge mode. At the time of ordering I did not buy a modem from them but instead bought the recommended generic Motorola 2210 modem from someone else for less without DSL micro filters. At 11:25 AM the DSL service was up again only this time it's with sonic.net. The phone service takes another 10 minutes more. When the DSL service was back up, I have no idea what the sync speed was because my old modem does not show statistics when under bridge mode. I ran some online speed tests and the results shows about 6.3 mbps download and .9 mbps upload. When the new modem finally came, I exchange that for the old one and was surprised that the modem self configure for the service. I checked the log and noticed the modem try to connect using PPPOE before trying to bridge mode and then finally connects. After the service was up and running, I have decided to go into the web interface to check line statistics. As soon as I gone into the web interface, it prompt me for language preference and then require the input of the password for future access. After I typed in the password it require me to retype the password to gain access to the modem's interface. With this new modem, it's possible to see line statistics under bridge mode. It has a built-in fire wall that I felt I don't need since my router also has one. Under the interface it shows the sync speed at 8.4 mbps download and 1 mbps upload.

I've decided to replace the cat3 cable run from the phone company's entry point box or NID in the garage to the middle of my basement one floor below, where I have my junction box where all the lines branch out to various rooms in the house with cat5 cable. All my existing phone wiring is about 5 1/2 years old, done with 24gauge four twisted pairs cat3 wire. This new cable run has fewer sharp curves in it as well as more isolated from other metal pipes. Somehow after the installation the sync speed drops a little down to 7.5 mbps to a maximum of 7.9 mbps download. After I tried rebooting the modem several times to see if I can get a higher sync speed each time and cannot get higher than 7.9 mbps. I did some experimentation by using two twisted pairs instead of one out of the four connecting them in parallel. After doing this I was able to achieve a maximum of 8.7 mbps. Even this, I was only able to achieve between 8.3 to 8.7 mbps. After more experimentation, I discovered that it is best to use only one twisted pair to achieve the highest and most stable speed and not to run them in parallel. The thing about ethernet cables is that each wire pairs have different amount of twist to avoid crosstalk. This is apparently also true of some Cat 3 cables to some degree. The trick is to select the pair that has the most twist per inch of the four to cut down on nearby interference. After this was done, I was able to achieved very close to capped speed of 11 mbps most of the time.At that basement junction box I've connected one micro filter that feeds all the phones in the house. The DSL modem gets a dedicated short unfiltered line that runs from that junction box.

On November 8, 2010, I have decided to e-mail sonic.net's support asking them to tweak my line for a little bit more speed and less CRC Errors by setting Data Path to Interleave from Fast as well as setting the SN margin down a little. My DSL line was also capped at 11 mbps to make it more stable. I already knew that setting it to Interleave would increase latency but don't care because we don't do gaming. I've also asked them about my loop length and the answer was 7800 feet from the central office. The results after the tweaking is a somewhat higher speed at 10.196 mbps. Even before the adjustment, the service has been excellent with no known disconnects. I was surprised how prompt sonic.net support in tweaking my DSL line on their end. I've e-mailed support at around a little after 11 AM and the tweaking was done by 1 PM. Considering the loop length, I am extremely satisfied with the DSL service from sonic.net. At the present time, no one else offer better service than sonic.net.

Update November 15, 2010: At this point with two weeks of Sonic Fusion DSL service, it has been great. At the present time, I don't have enough experience on their phone service yet to make much of a comment. So far, the local phone service has been just as good as AT&T when it comes to audio quality. I haven't use their long-distance service yet to judge the quality.

Update December 9, 2010, the service has been uneventful for month and nine days since I switched service from AT&T. Last month it achieve a sync speed of 10.972 mbps for 23 days straight before it resynced at 1.7mbps due to noise on the line temporarily at the time. When I reboot the modem, it then resynced at 9.8 mbps. After a couple tries it varies between 9.8 to 8.5 mbps. I did an experiment to see what happened if I remove the DSL filter and phones from the circuit. After a series of rebooting the modem, it somehow cannot achieve any speed higher than 8.5 no matter how many reboot I tried. Next, I reconnected the DSL microfilter along with the phones back on the line and then reboot the modem again. This time it synced up at 10.2 mbps and after several hours it resynced 10.266 mbps and held for several days through to now. This is rather strange that it performs better with the micro filter in place. I believe the reason for this is that the micro filter somehow filters out some of the line noise and makes it possible for the modem to achieve a higher sync speed.

The nature of DSL that utilize the telephone twisted pair line is inherited noisy because of noise introduction from adjacent twisted pairs in the cable. This is especially critical when the noise is being introduced by other DSL line on the same cable bundle. This is specially true of longer loop length. I've been monitoring my line and I noticed that the download SN margin varies between 10 and 4 yet remain in sync. The use of DSL 2+ which operate at double the frequency than standard old-fashioned DSL which accentuate the crosstalk noise problem on adjacent lines in the same cable bundle. This could be the reason why sonic.net is proposing to use ASSIA's Finesse dynamic spectrum management solution in the coming months for their Fusion platform. With the use of ASSIA which controls the transmitting power of all of the DSL lines under the control of sonic.net, it would be able to achieve better crosstalk noise management. The end result is better sync speed and reliability for everyone on the same cable bundle.

Update January 16, 2011: Because of my Motorola 2210 modem overheating, I've been experiencing re-syncing several times a day. Every time when it re-sync, the speed may go down. I noticed it was very hot when I put my hand on the modem after it has been on for a couple hours. I did an experiment by substituting my spare 2Wire modem-Wi-Fi router to see if any improvement. After connecting and configuring it for Sonic.Net's Fusion service, it synced at the maximum capped speed of 10.972 mbps. I've tried restarting the modem several times, and each time it connected at the top speed. It remained connected solidly with no more re-syncing. After this experiment, I realized the problem is that my new Motorola modem is overheating and causing the retraining. This problem has been well known on the web for this model but I assume that Motorola corrected this problem on the later edition. It turned out I was wrong and this is still the problem with this model. Do not buy the Motorola 2210-10- NA DSL modem. But perhaps instead get the Actiontec GT701D Ethernet DSL one. It has a much more favorable review then does this Motorola piece of crap.

I decided I didn't care about the warranty and modify my modem for much better heat dissipation. To read about the modification please go to »Is my modem dying? .

Update March 14, 2011: Our service with sonic.net has been uneventful since we signed up back in late October. After the modem modification, it has been consistently syncing at the top speed of 10.972 mbps and remaining connected consistently. On most speed test sites, the speed test results shows about 9.3 mbps on average download transfer speed and .92 mbps upload speed. So far in the 3 1/2 months timeframe I have not noticed any evening peak time slowdown with my Sonic.net's Fusion Service to a point where it would impact user experience. I did notice during a series of speed tests it did fluctuate a little from a low of 8.5 mbps to 9.61 mbps download speed. The upload speed is very consistent that it varies from .90 to .9.2 mbps. Since this is not a dedicated bandwidth type of Internet service, but a low price consumer grade highly shared bandwidth infrastructure some slowdown can be expected.

As compared with other DSL Internet services, Sonic.net Fusion Service is worth looking into if available in your area. But unfortunately at the present time it's only available in the greater San Francisco Bay Area areas and around their Santa Rosa homebase. This is more true today because AT&T will start capping their legacy DSL and Uverse Internet service starting in May 2 of this year (150 GB and 250 GB per month). Also at the present time there is no plan for sonic.net to start capping their Fusion Service. That is because they own their own equipment at the central office to provide both POTS phone and Internet service. This is not true of their legacy DSL service from AT&T which may be subjected to capping in the future. With that DSL service, sonic.net is basically is just a reseller of AT&T DSL service with sonic.net handling all technical services.

Update March 23, 2011: Last week, my Motorola 2010 modem finally failed from basically overheating in spite of the fact I modified it with an extra heatsink on top of the chipset. I've noticed day by day the sync speed was dropping and then finally when it lost sync, a reboot was required to get back online. By last Saturday, I placed an order with Amazon.com for a new modem. The modem that I selected is the Actiontec GT701D and it arrived on Monday morning. I've immediately installed and configured it to see how much better this one is. I've noticed that this modem is little bit more difficult to configure for sonic.net's Fusion Service than the Motorola one. To read more about what happened with my DSL service, please click on this link »Fusion Sync Speed Dropping Day By Day . After several hours of running, this new modem is definitely much cooler running than the old one. Here is my speed test results from Speedtest.net »speedtest.net/result/122 ··· 5774.png .

Update December 2, 2011: Our Fusion service has been uneventful over a year with download speeds varies from 9.7 to 10.4 mbps downstream and a consistent 1 mbps upstream. Just recently, sonic.net offers a single static IP address for free to Fusion customers. The price for static IP addresses are: a single static IP addresses is free, for 4 static IP addresses the cost is $10 a month optional and for 8 static IP addresses it's $20 optional per month. This comes in handy for me to set up an IPv6 tunnel at sonic.net as well as another one at Hurricane Electric. The combined tunnels provides about 6.5 mbps downstream speed tested under IPv6. Before with dynamic IP address every time the address changes, I would have to reconfigure the tunnel so I can browse IPv6 websites. For the last couple months, the dynamic IP address seldomly changes even if you reboot the modem. There's also added features to the landline service for free as well.

To set up a static IP address just login to Member Tools then go to Internet connection from there, Fusion and then click on IP configuration. Once you get your static IP address be sure to copy that down so you would be able to configure your router for the new static IP address. It takes about 5 min. from the time you request the new static IP address to the time it will actually be implemented on sonic.net's equipment so be patient.

Update December 9, 2013, The service with sonic.net remains an uneventful. But they did make changes to their policy, where you have to pay for the modem rental of $6.50 every month in addition. And this applies to new membership only. The old members are grandfathered in under the old policy but any old members can opt in in if they wish to use sonic.net equipment and then pay the monthly rental. Other than this, the rates remain the same since the time I signed on in spite of the fact that they offered more calling services to their landline. Such as more countries that you can call long distance for free for up to eight hours per month as well as more calling features.

I've decided not to use sonic.net for my IPv6 tunnel but instead used exclusively Hurricane Electric. I've set up my router exactly according to their instruction for my tunnel endpoint. The result I got after configuring it this way worked exactly as it should. I did a speed tests using Comcast's IPv6 speed tester. The my latest results was under IPv6 was 10.06 mbps for the download and for the upload was 1.01 mbps. Under IPV4 the speed was slightly faster at 10.24 mbps for the download and the upload was at 1.06 mbps.

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Review by craigolo See Profile

  • Location: San Mateo, San Mateo, CA, USA
  • Cost: $65 per month
  • Install: about 3 days
  • No Cap
  • Telco party AT&T
A great netizen/isp. Excellent customer service. Dependable service.
last mile is AT&T which means: no free static IP; AT&T-provided modem/router; lackluster speeds
If Sonic gigabit is available in your area, jump on it. Least douchy, big ISP in NorCal.
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Sonic, and the CEO/founder, are strong proponents of freedom of speech and privacy (see, e.g. - »www.eff.org/who-has-your ··· ack-2017).

They also happen to have very dependable service. At my previous address, they managed the last mile and it was rock-solid service. ~18mbps down/1.1mbps up. Nothing great but, it was a flat $50/month for phone and Internet.

Since moving to a new location, AT&T provides the last mile and equipment. Speeds have dropped. Am now renting equipment which adds $13+. The only reasons I continue to use this are that Sonic's policies, services & support continue to be better than the local competition (AT&T & Comcast).

I yen for Gigabit tho.

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