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Comments on news posted 2009-01-04 11:31:09: According to Verizon filings with the SEC, their acquisition of Alltel will close on January 9. Verizon will pay $5.9 billion and acquire $22. ..

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yeha9

@rcn.com
reply to hottboiinnc

Re: At least...

TM plans dont suck but their service sucks. no reception anywhere in manhattan.


mod_wastrel
iamwhatiam

join:2008-03-28
kudos:1

I'll wager...

Alltel's U Prepaid is the first thing to go.


jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
reply to battleop

Re: Not unexpected

There's nothing new about that.


Locutus65
Why bother?
Premium
join:2001-05-24
Houston, TX
kudos:2

Really dreading this

I really hated hearing Verizon bought Alltel. I love my
Alltel plan. My wife has Verizon and it pretty much sucks. Too expensive, to few features and they simply do not give a crap about their customers.
As for equipment, I hope it still works unless Verizon is planning on giving me a new Palm Treo.
--
Multitasking = screwing up several things at once.

hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
Verizon is CDMA the same as Sprint and Alltel. your phone will work just fine. And I doubt they'd even give you that phone since its not offered anymore. And anyway they'd make you sign a new contract the same way they did CellOne customers during that merger.

hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
reply to mod_wastrel

Re: I'll wager...

It is. The only thing Alltel said on their site that is staying in place are the services that are under contract. Anything prepaid will go out the door and hello V's service.

hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
reply to mark_y_k

Re: Does anyone know????

chances are see my comments below.

hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
reply to battleop

Re: Upcoming changes?

The way it works in Ohio is if your contract expires you get the same rate plan and services until you renew. Several other states are the same.

Why do you think AT&T wanted to get all their customers on the old system to renew. Not only did they have cheaper plans they had to offer that until they moved.

You can't just cancel someone's service regardless of a contract or not.

And VZW doesn't even do this.

Cpudan80

join:2007-07-26
Virginia Beach, VA

2 edits
reply to battleop
I think you're reading OH law incorrectly. VZ must honor all contracts until they expire. At that point - they can say that they no longer support Alltel's old plans and push you onto a VZ one. Things can't just go on forever just because you don't renew your contract.

As I was trying to say before -- there would be no point in a merger if things just stayed the same forever.

In all likelihood, VZ will give Alltel customers some kind of incentive to hop off Alltel and onto VZ.

--
Dan


battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000

1 edit
reply to hottboiinnc
Then what is the point in a contract to begin with if the state is going to pass laws for the lemmings?

Where is a copy of this law? I don't believe this.


battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000
reply to Cpudan80
The contract should have language that says what they can and can't do if they sell the customer or company.

fiberguy
My views are my own.
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1 recommendation

reply to hottboiinnc
Sorry, I disagree.. Ohio is nothing special. With a 30 day notice, they can change or discontinue your rate plan.

I think you are grossly mis-interpreting laws you are reading somewhere. You CAN just discontinue the plan and tell people you must migrate to a new plan. The key is that as long as they offer a service, they must be able to offer you a plan at another rate level.. that's all. They CAN, additionally, turn off an entire service so long as they discontinue ALL customers on the same service. IE: They just can't boot you.

It's happened. The only difference, for PR reasons, they work hard to migrate people with offers.. eventually, it comes to a point where the customer, when they weed most of them off, are sent a letter stating that they must chose a new plan or they will experience service interruption.

Refer to your agreement. Even in the middle of an agreement, terms CAN change. It's been done by all carriers at some point - see Sprint EVDO Wireless network and the 5gig caps imposed. They reserve the right to change terms at anytime AND discontinue services. The only right you have is to break from your contract, or discontinue the service within 30 days.

You are very very much confused and mis-informed.

fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3
reply to battleop
It does but it doesn't have to.

It does, becuase it says they may modify the terms of the agreement. I've been through this round and round with my own attorney through the whole Sprint EVDO change.

Second, Federal law makes it clear that when you purchase a company you purchase all liability. Contracts ARE liability. Because of that, the purchaser, VZ in this case, assumes all liability for the contracts in place which is why due diligence must be done in advance and prior to making any purchase. Those contracts they purchase will have an impact on the ongoing operations of the company after purchase..


battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000
The contracts are part of what gives the company value.

"Second, Federal law makes it clear that when you purchase a company you purchase all liability"

I've bought commercial buildings in the past where the seller was responsible for some of the preexisting debt. I don't think you have to take all of the liabilities. If you don't the seller must take care of them. In our case the seller took proceeds from the sale to pay off the debts.

You can't sell a company and shed debt like it were a bankruptcy.

fiberguy
My views are my own.
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That's a little different when it comes to buildings on a local level. We're talking about a company, however, that operates under federal guidelines.

In these cases, debt can be negotiated - even the same as your own. Contract law isn't cut and dry.. usually businesses that operate under regulation is a little different. And, to be honest, in many cases, you can sell a business and shed debt. If you don't do due diligence before you buy, you can in fact get stuck with a really bad deal.

Again, nothing is cut and dry and things can be negotiated.. Hell, you can buy a house in some areas and the day you move in, you have a $600 water bill from the former owner.. where other areas, it's tied to the owner. Just all depends on a few factors, really.. so I'll admit that its not cut and dry.. but in the case of this merger, the contracts have to be honored. They are contracts that were negotiated between a business and a consumer, so in a sense, you're buying the customer in addition to the hardware and physical structures. Usually when a sale is done, it's also talked about in how much per customer it cost to buy the business.


SterlingJ85

join:2000-11-19
Voorhees, NJ
reply to yeha9

Re: At least...

Well, that's just a damn lie. Maybe not service where you want there to be, but NONE?!

T-Mobile's network in NYC was originally a Joint Venture network that ran both Cingular (pre-AT&T) AND T-Mobile.

It was one of the best PCS networks in the city.

NYC is definitely one of T-Mobile's better markets.


SterlingJ85

join:2000-11-19
Voorhees, NJ
reply to NY Tel

Re: Areas that get spun off

It should be noted that "Hold Seperate Trust" areas have been decided by a judge that Verizon can buy them back.

Those areas will become Verizon Wireless and will not be divested.


SterlingJ85

join:2000-11-19
Voorhees, NJ
reply to en102
All roaming agreements are required by the FCC's merger conditions to be maintained by Verizon Wireless until they expire.

Now, it should be understood that this only applies to areas Verizon Wireless will assume control. Divested markets are still up to the purchasing company to do what they wish.

It is very likely that AT&T will pick up these areas, and if that's the case GSM won't be leaving those areas for a long time to come.

BUT - Even if AT&T chose not to purchase them, the roaming revenue they get would probably sway the operator to keep GSM and CDMA active.


SterlingJ85

join:2000-11-19
Voorhees, NJ
reply to hottboiinnc
Not likely. For two reasons.

1) Verizon Wireless is very good at mergers, they always are careful to cross every "t" and dot every "i".

2) This is a simple merger when you compare Nextel/Sprint. The problem with this merger was predominantly due to Nextel running an iDEN network, and Sprint running CDMA. In the Verizon/Alltel merger both predominantly run CDMA. This will only require Verizon to integrate the existing networks & billing systems, and remove redundant equipment/cell sites where they already have a network.

The issue with Cellular One was because of their TDMA network; which Verizon wanted to shut down to make it a CDMA market like the rest of their network.


pcdebb
RIP lil hurricane
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Brandon, FL
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Reviews:
·Bright House

thankfully

i'm divested so I will become someone else who acquires my market. funny that my employee plan turns to verizon but i still be alltel
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pcdebb
RIP lil hurricane
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·Bright House
reply to Locutus65

Re: Really dreading this

said by Locutus65:

I really hated hearing Verizon bought Alltel. I love my
Alltel plan. My wife has Verizon and it pretty much sucks. Too expensive, to few features and they simply do not give a crap about their customers.
As for equipment, I hope it still works unless Verizon is planning on giving me a new Palm Treo.
it'll still work, there was a prl push last week to make your phones prefer the vz towers
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bjt

@qwest.net
reply to SterlingJ85

Re: At least...

sorry not correct it was omnipoint in NYC. they originally put up the network to replace the meter readers for the electric company they also sold pcs phones. they failed badly and were bought by voicestream


RR Conductor
NWP RR Inc.,serving NW CA
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Redwood Valley, CA
kudos:1

They're still making Alltel commericals

Alltel is taking this one down to the wire, I was watching TBS tonight on Directv and they had a brand new Alltel commerical, one with the claymation guys, it advertised an Alltel New Years phone sale. For a company going to Verizon in a few days, you sure wouldn't have known it after seeing this new commerical.


NY Tel
Premium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
kudos:3
reply to fiberguy

Re: Upcoming changes?

said by fiberguy:

Sorry, I disagree.. Ohio is nothing special. With a 30 day notice, they can change or discontinue your rate plan.

I think you are grossly mis-interpreting laws you are reading somewhere.
You are very very much confused and mis-informed.
Finally someone who realizes the truth.

budone

join:2002-09-07
Coopersville, MI
reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc:

But remember you're free to keep your service without a renew of a contract and still have to be offered your MyCircle since thats what your plan was signed up for and they can not change anything unless you resign again.
My Circle is NOT part of the contract. In the TOS, it states My Circle can be terminated at any time.

budone

join:2002-09-07
Coopersville, MI
reply to RR Conductor

Re: They're still making Alltel commericals

Sure you could. Did you notice the Verizon guy said nothing and stood apart from the other 3?

Mahalo

join:2000-12-20
united state
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

1 edit
reply to 53059959

Re: Chad

New commercial
Scene opens with Chad and VZ dude in bed together.

Chad: Your network is so big.

VZ: Yea...I am going to give you some customer service.

Chad: Oh!!!

VZ: When I done with you I going to let these other thousand people with me screw you over too.

Chad's world fades to black.

phazah

join:2004-05-02
Findlay, OH

alltel info interest...

i hope they get some info out, you ask the Alltel staff at the stores and they are a clueless as we are...
i would love to know what i'm going to lose(i'm not on a contract right now)....

hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
reply to SterlingJ85

Re: Areas that get spun off

I know the difference between the networks. I stated them before.

But not telling your customers anything and you have under a week now until the merger is complete is another Sprint-Nextel merger in the works.

You have all these prepaid people from Alltel wondering if they'll get to keep their service or not due to not being in a contract. CellCo Partnership won't tell them a damn thing because they claim they don't have to. You have Alltel on the other hand claiming they don't know what in the hell is going on.

And Sprint could have completed the merger if they would NOT have allowed people to switch from the Sprint brand to Nextel. If they would have made EVERYONE move to the Sprint side after their contract expired and STOPPED signed people up on Nextel's brand Nextel would not have any new customers and would all be happy in the CDMA land.

And you claim the Cellular One problem was due to the difference. You better thank again. Cellular One didnt tell their customers anything either just like Alltel is doing. VZW didnt tell customers anything either UNTIL after the merger was done and REQUIRED ALL CUSTOMERS to sign a NEW contract just because of the difference.

I was one of those customers and it was a pain in the ass. CellCo does NOT know how to manage a Merger let alone know how to take care of their customers.

slckusr
Premium
join:2003-03-17
Greenville, SC
kudos:1
reply to hottboiinnc

Re: Bye bye Bellevue call center

where did you hear this ?