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niblifar

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Ho?

Price increase dollars at work, eh.
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Re: Ho?

said by niblifar See Profile :

Price increase dollars at work, eh.
Increase prices and decrease actual services provided ... it's the American way!
quatrix
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Re: Ho?

said by Matt See Profile :

Increase prices and decrease actual services provided ... it's the American way!
Also known as inflation... must be Comcast's invention.

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Re: Ho?

said by quatrix See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

Increase prices and decrease actual services provided ... it's the American way!
Also known as inflation... must be Comcast's invention.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with price increases due to inflation. But where does the Law of Inflation™ state that the services that are provided decrease in proportion to the rise in prices a company places on its customers?
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Re: Ho?

said by Matt See Profile :

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with price increases due to inflation. But where does the Law of Inflation™ state that the services that are provided decrease in proportion to the rise in prices a company places on its customers?
Our Comcast services have never "decreased". Our broadband speed has increased by several times (something like 4/768 to 20/3) with little to no increase in price, and we're getting more and more HD channels.

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Re: Ho?

said by quatrix See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with price increases due to inflation. But where does the Law of Inflation™ state that the services that are provided decrease in proportion to the rise in prices a company places on its customers?
Our Comcast services have never "decreased". Our broadband speed has increased by several times (something like 4/768 to 20/3) with little to no increase in price, and we're getting more and more HD channels.
So throttled speeds and a 250GB cap isn't a decrease? Interesting.
patcat88

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Re: Ho?

Would you rather have a line that can burst high, or a line that is very slow and you can suck all you want?

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Re: Ho?

said by patcat88 See Profile :

Would you rather have a line that can burst high, or a line that is very slow and you can suck all you want?
P2P users want it both ways: fast and all they can eat.

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Re: Ho?

This buffet sucks!
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> So throttled speeds and a 250GB cap isn't a decrease? Interesting.

Don't forget loss of newsgroups too!

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said by Matt See Profile :

So throttled speeds and a 250GB cap isn't a decrease? Interesting.
The cap was always there; it's just published now.

The new QoS system also only comes into play when the DOCSIS channel is congested, and congestion is going to mean slower speeds regardless if this system was in place or not. All this is doing is limiting the effects of congestion on lighter use subscribers.

goofy01

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said by Matt See Profile :

So throttled speeds and a 250GB cap isn't a decrease? Interesting.
I am not throttled and I don't hit the 250GB cap. I have seen an increase in my speeds without an increase in price, so yeah, my services have never decreases.
dfxmatt

join:2007-08-21
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Re: Ho?

that's because you're staring at your cable modem.

It helps to do actual diagnostics, not just be like "well, when I was reading news on google.com, it was the same as it always was".
VictorWI

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Re: Ho?

So all the people complaining they want unlimited everything for nothing, please start your own company and offer that. I'm sure you'll sign-up millions of customers and have no trouble staying in business. Sheesh!
axus

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Re: Ho?

Or use FIOS?
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It's economics.
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said by Matt See Profile :

said by niblifar See Profile :

Price increase dollars at work, eh.
Increase prices and decrease actual services provided ... it's the American way!
You kidding?

The service was never designed to be run 24/7 and 100% of your provisioned speeds. That kind of service equates more towards business patterns, not residential.

This system, as I will call "PowerBust" is actually a fair system in my view. It's not going to kill your account, it doesn't sound like overages, it sounds more like what people including myself figured was fair.. simply cut down on the offending hog .. and hell, it's only 15 minutes.

I think it's time to get the panties out of the bundles here and move on.

No services were decreased.. this aligns the service with more of a "typical residential use" model that the TOS has stated from day one.

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said by niblifar See Profile :

Price increase dollars at work, eh.
*MY* HSI price hasn't increased... YMMV
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Re: Ho?

Mine hasn't either....actually got a pretty big upgrade in speed too. Probably just jinxed myself though...
willp1
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Re: Ho?

Mine has by$5.00 per month and now this. I am leaving today to another provider. The hall with Comcrap.

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Re: Ho?

said by willp1 See Profile :

Mine has by$5.00 per month and now this. I am leaving today to another provider. The hall with Comcrap.
Comcast has gone MANY years with NO price increases for HSI and now you're going to leave them over a measly $5 increase?
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said by dadkins See Profile :

said by niblifar See Profile :

Price increase dollars at work, eh.
*MY* HSI price hasn't increased... YMMV
no ones has but video subs are subsidizing hsi as they are with every cable company.
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For heavy users, this constitutes a price decrease. They're getting more net bandwidth for the same money. They're just being kept from degrading other users' service.

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Re: Actually a price decrease

Upon reflection, I do not wish to post. Take me back!
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said by SuperWISP See Profile :

For heavy users, this constitutes a price decrease. They're getting more net bandwidth for the same money. They're just being kept from degrading other users' service.
Actually, this is how Comcast should have been doing it all along. For once I agree with them. World ends, film at 11.
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Re: Actually a price decrease

NO.. the word ends becuase you and I finally agree on something.

This is how it should have been all along.. I've been making my views on this clear for a long time now.

Never was a need to simply kill the user. Never a need to charge them more. They wanted to balance the system so everyone can appear to have a fast browsing session - this is the way.

File downloads may take a few minutes long, but typically people start those and let them run until they're done. What really bothers MOST people is when their favorite sites like Amazon or eBay (and porn) won't load fast enough..

my two cents.

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said by SuperWISP See Profile :

They're just being kept from degrading other users' service.
Actually, this is how Comcast should have been doing it all along. For once I agree with them. World ends, film at 11.
No, he does it like Comcast should have done it all along. He runs an WISP that doesn't have a cap and doesn't throttle. He guarantees "as low as" rates and gets on the phone with customers when things look wrong. We need about a hundred others like him.

He pays a premium for bandwidth because of anti-competitive reasons. Why he wants to be the big ISP's bitch is beyond me.
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Can't wait...

Can't wait to see the Comcast forums filled with folks who can not figure out why there speeds are so up and down.
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Re: Can't wait...

said by swintec See Profile :

Can't wait to see the Comcast forums filled with folks who can not figure out why there speeds are so up and down.
Porn in waves?

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said by dadkins See Profile :

said by swintec See Profile :

Can't wait to see the Comcast forums filled with folks who can not figure out why there speeds are so up and down.
Porn in waves?

I'm sure most people will still be finished before the Powerboost time limit is reached.

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Re: Can't wait...

said by Matt See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

said by swintec See Profile :

Can't wait to see the Comcast forums filled with folks who can not figure out why there speeds are so up and down.
Porn in waves?

I'm sure most people will still be finished before the Powerboost time limit is reached:)
Ha Ha! Ouch!
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said by Matt See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

said by swintec See Profile :

Can't wait to see the Comcast forums filled with folks who can not figure out why there speeds are so up and down.
Porn in waves?

I'm sure most people will still be finished before the Powerboost time limit is reached.
Leave Dadkins out of this.
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Not to mention those that don't have any idea what a gig is much less a 250 GB cap.

I had a friend ask if their online gaming + Vonage would push them over the cap. I expect Comcast will lose customers that had nothing to do with P2P just because they don't understand the capped usage policy and don't want the hassle of tracking it.

This all seems very short sighted. Comcast should focus on bringing more bandwidth to market rather than take it out of current customers.

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Re: Can't wait...

said by NewsgroupRev See Profile :

This all seems very short sighted. Comcast should focus on bringing more bandwidth to market rather than take it out of current customers.

- NGR
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Its the American way. screw who ever you can with doing alittle work as you can.
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Re: Can't wait...

said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

said by NewsgroupRev See Profile :

This all seems very short sighted. Comcast should focus on bringing more bandwidth to market rather than take it out of current customers.

- NGR
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Its the American way. screw who ever you can with doing alittle work as you can.
Fair enough statement, now put your money where your mouth is..

.. how do you suppose that is done? What is YOUR plan?

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Re: Can't wait...

Comcast should put their existing customers before business opportunities that require more bandwidth (VOIP, VOD, etc.). If the bandwidth won't support their current Intenet usage then Comcast should work on fixing the problem before expanding into other areas.

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Re: Can't wait...

"Comcast should work on fixing the problem before expanding into other areas."

Um, they just fixed the problem with this new system. I come home from a long day and want to sit down for an hour and play COD. My kiddie neighbor downloading every episode of Family Guy can just slow down while I play.

Comcast can do no right for most of the whiny people on this forum.

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Re: Can't wait...

Fair enough. I think Comcast took steps to help you in that scenario. However, with these measures in place is the monthly cap necessary?

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said by swintec See Profile :

Can't wait to see the Comcast forums filled with folks who can not figure out why there speeds are so up and down.
I was noticing that, even before Comcast upgraded to the new "speeds". And since they introduced the new speeds, I've noted that I rarely get more than one download "in a row" at 1.4 megabytes per second or better. After a fast download of a 250 megabytes file, the next download is almost always between 150 kilobytes - 400 kilobytes per second! It doesn't matter whether it's middle of the day or middle of the night, it is consistent. The way that I figure it is that the first fast download of a large file triggers their "congestion detector", and the ensuing downloads are then throttled. It would be hard to believe that the pipe for my neighborhood is always congested.
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So now what is their justification for 200GB caps?

Now that they use packet prioritization what is their bogus excuse for month consumption caps on top of it?

De-prioritizing traffic is the only solution "necessary" for congestion management. If there is no congestion, then there is no justification for caps at all.

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Re: So now what is their justification for 200GB caps?

The 250GB caps are in place to prevent a flood of new video alternatives from possibly taking root and competing directly with their TV services. And if people start dropping or reducing their TV service packages in favor of superior internet options, the semi-annual TV price increases would not be able to cover the HSI side of things. HSI without TV or CDV is very expensive, and the minimum TV package is way overpriced and provides the least value to the consumer.

Comcast gets you either way; you pay high rates for stand-alone HSI or you pay the ever increasing hikes in TV pricing that continually soar above inflation numbers. In an effort to crush DSL as a competitor, they had to find a clever way to keep their internet service prices static. Now with FTTH looming on the horizon, they also must ensure that their product can keep up in performance and price.

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So this is why....


Fail boat
my connection drops every 30min. Then forcing me to wait 1-5min before I can use it again only to repeat this process every time I hit there QoS wall of shame. Thanks Comcast,, I never knew that watching Hulu.com would make my connection suck and all of my downloads fail.

Guess what Comcast your fail boat has arrived!
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Lazlow

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Why both?

Why both this throttling and the cap? Assuming the throttling works the way it is supposed to, I really do not have much of a problem with it (mostly just the principle of the thing). They have always said that the caps were to prevent one user from slowing down the rest of the users on the node. This type of throttling should prevent that. So why the cap?

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Yup, We're Done...

We've contacted Comcast and are awaiting confirmation that the system has been 100% implemented across all markets, and will update this entry.
Yup, we sure did finish. It was a huge amount of work in 90 days, but it's all done.

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Hmm...

So far I haven't had a problem with congestion managment, and mit seems like my CMTS is not congested (get 22-32 Mbps on PowerBoost, usually around 26). So hopefully I won't run into this problem. But if I do, I may get Qwest to give me a FastPath DSL connection for about $20 per month less than I'll be paying soon enough, and have done with Comcrap.

And yes, my price on internet just went up, by $2/month. Not huge, but I'm seeing no added benefit for the increase. My 8/2 nternet is still 8/2. With PowerBoost, yes. DOCSIS 3? Not a chance.
rdaniel

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WOW, Cheap bastards

So Comcast has done it again. I wish there was FIOS in my area, I'll switch in a heart beat. So they Cap and throttle, they're call centers must be getting hit hard with calls due to this or will. I know it's expensive but Comcast should stop being cheap just upgrade the network. I game, watch videos , download work data, etc. and now I have to watch what I do on the Comcast connection I've had for 9 years now, this is stupid. Comcast UPGRADE YOUR NETWORK!!!!

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jammmin

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The best thing I did a while back was to drop Comcast

and said hello to Verizon FIOS. I have had no outage in the 4 months since the switch and speeds are great.

With Comcast, constant disconnects and outages and it did not work well with an IPTV service I also use.

Comcast users, if you can get FIOS, switch immediately.

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Interesting....

Didn't Skynet come online and then become self aware at some point?
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Re: Interesting....

Um ya but your not suppost to know about that

we'll have to send a T85 your way

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Um ya but your not suppost to know about that

we'll have to send a T85 your way
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Re: Interesting....

said by ptrowski See Profile :

said by DarkLogix See Profile :

Um ya but your not suppost to know about that

we'll have to send a T85 your way
There goes the first day back after vacation!
the T85 will be there May 22nd 2009

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Re: Interesting....

other one? its like the damn rocky series.
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Re: Interesting....

said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

other one? its like the damn rocky series.
this one finaly has the war

MrMoody
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But

I don't have too much problem with this type of QoS system, BUT there shouldn't be any need for caps with it ... if it was either/or, I'd much rather have QoS than caps.
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dollar for dollar..

I wonder how much money was spent on this new incarnation of "piss off the cablemodem customer base" when they could of & should of been spending more upon node decongestion (SPLIT NODES: 512: 2x256 256:2x128 128:2x64, etc) & docsis 3.0 deployment of last mile & head end equipment into 2009... Cable is going through their DSL stage of refusing & resisting CHANGE to next generation ultra broadband (50mbit +) Let's see how much of the Comcast footprint is docis 3 deployed and ready for higher speed tiers come June 2009.

Telcos can only be frothing at the mouth if Comcasts strictly sticks to that 250gb per month data cap... it's like giving free customers to the competition, gobs of em' at a time..no doubt this will do the same.. just at a slower pace, or if this is in addition to the 250gb cap.. at a much faster pace. And I pity the fool who has no other carrier to go to... start yelling at your regional telco!! Time for 50mb connections in 2k9.
brianstretch

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Re: dollar for dollar..

Or better yet, just run FTTH while Comcast has the near-monopoly profits to pay for it. Start with territories not served by Verizon. Like mine. FTTH don't need no steenkin' DOCSIS...

jsz0

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I can't say for sure but Comcast is very likely using the features that have been built into the Cisco IOS for years. (Subscriber Traffic Management) Probably didn't cost them much at all.

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Does this mean Comcast is the bus and DSL is the BMW?

I think so.

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Slight clarification / correction

Comcast says that sustained use of 70% of your up or downstream throughput triggers the BE state, at which point you'll find your connection at 50% speed for a period of fifteen minutes.
The 50% of that is being misunderstood. At no point is traffic "throttled" to a specific speed. I think you are misreading the re-entry criteria to go back into PBE.

Before we even look at per-user consumption, the CMTS must have entered a Pre-Congestion State. Once this is the case, and a congested time may be approaching, user traffic may be marked as BE instead of PBE. You are correct that the upstream or downstream %s are 70% of the provisioned amount. So for someone on the 12Mbps/2Mbps tier, that would be 8.4Mbps downstream or 1.4Mbps upstream, over 15 mins.

The 50% figure does not mean that someone is throttled to 50% of their speed. It means that in order to have traffic marked as PBE again, from BE, that the upstream or downstream (whichever is managed) used over a 15 min period must fall below 50% of provisioned. Using the example 12/2 speed above, that is 6Mbps down or 1Mbps up (thus this varies by speed tier) over the measurement period.

Please feel free to refer to the FCC doc on this at »downloads.comcast.net/docs/Attac···ices.pdf.

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Games

This is going to kill gaming.
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miscDude

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My general interpretation

first off... one nitpick. I keep seeing people refer to the 250gb threshold indicated by Comcast as a "cap"... whereas I'm not sure it if truly qualifies for that in the "traditional" sense. IMO, a Cap means that you cannot ever cross it, without some sort of immediate penalty such as instant-death or overage fees. To my knowlege, Comcast has not EVER said 1 thing about charging any overage fees for exceeding 250gb in a month (vs. other like TWC who say "sure thing... you can go over your 40gb/mo cap, but it's gonna cost you.). From my read of the Excessive usage policy, Before they look to take action on an account you must meet 2 different criteria, you must 1. Exceed the 250gb threshold, and 2. be within the top 1% over overall users. Then for your first offense they contact you to give you a heads up in case you weren't aware of the usage and will work to help you identify the root cause if you weren't (open wifi, virus, etc). The odds of your Average (or slightly above average) user running into both those criteria and actually suffering from the service disconnection seem pretty slim.

Now for those of you asking why both the throttling and threshold methods? From a simple network capacity and management standpoint, I can see some very good reasons for it. The throttling, if it works properly, will help manage the bandwidth for that last mile connection to help prevent issues stemming from someone misbehaving there. The threshold number can be used to help protect their network from those "under the radar" abuses, and also with bandwidth and Capacity planning.

Now what do I mean by "under the radar" abuse? Say someone grabs a simple residential account and then runs a server at 50% of the provisioned bandwidth just pumping out spam all day long. By remaining under the 70% usage needed to trigger the throttling, it never catches them, but if the server is running 24/7 it could potentially hit that 250gb threshold and at the very least throw a red flag up so someone can actually take a closer look and have the power (and reason) to look into what's going on there. On the capacity planning front, by assigning basic bandwidth usage number to an account, you can better assess you bandwidth needs and capacity on main internet pipes they use.

True... the CMTS's and the nodes may be the big choke point right now, but by being able to quickly calculate how much room they'd need for all their customers in an area they can better plan and execute those pipes used to connect the nodes to the net-proper. Those numbers exist whether published or not, and at least we now have an idea what those numbers are.
Lazlow

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Re: My general interpretation

There is a flaw in you 250g spam usage analogy. Spam is upload not download.

Your description of capacity is also flawed. The total amount downloaded per month has virtually nothing to do with capacity(especially with current throttle method). The only capacity that ISPs are really concerned with is peak capacity. Is their system "big" enough to handle the demand during peak (4pm-11pm?) hours? If it is, then the amount that is downloaded during off peak hours (midnight to 8am) will be easily handled by the system. Which is why they went to the throttle system in the first place.

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first off... one nitpick. I keep seeing people refer to the 250gb threshold indicated by Comcast as a "cap"... whereas I'm not sure it if truly qualifies for that in the "traditional" sense. IMO, a Cap means that you cannot ever cross it, without some sort of immediate penalty such as instant-death or overage fees. To my knowlege, Comcast has not EVER said 1 thing about charging any overage fees for exceeding 250gb in a month (vs. other like TWC who say "sure thing... you can go over your 40gb/mo cap, but it's gonna cost you.). From my read of the Excessive usage policy, Before they look to take action on an account you must meet 2 different criteria, you must 1. Exceed the 250gb threshold, and 2. be within the top 1% over overall users. Then for your first offense they contact you to give you a heads up in case you weren't aware of the usage and will work to help you identify the root cause if you weren't (open wifi, virus, etc). The odds of your Average (or slightly above average) user running into both those criteria and actually suffering from the service disconnection seem pretty slim.
True.

said by miscDude See Profile :

Now for those of you asking why both the throttling and threshold methods? From a simple network capacity and management standpoint, I can see some very good reasons for it. The throttling, if it works properly, will help manage the bandwidth for that last mile connection to help prevent issues stemming from someone misbehaving there. The threshold number can be used to help protect their network from those "under the radar" abuses, and also with bandwidth and Capacity planning.
Using your subscribed bandwidth for 15 minutes is not misbehaving. The customer isn't even alerted when his line is impacted, which likely causes him to suspect other factors (like buggy software) and sloughs the support burden on to someone else.

said by miscDude See Profile :

Now what do I mean by "under the radar" abuse? Say someone grabs a simple residential account and then runs a server at 50% of the provisioned bandwidth just pumping out spam all day long. By remaining under the 70% usage needed to trigger the throttling, it never catches them, but if the server is running 24/7 it could potentially hit that 250gb threshold and at the very least throw a red flag up so someone can actually take a closer look and have the power (and reason) to look into what's going on there. On the capacity planning front, by assigning basic bandwidth usage number to an account, you can better assess you bandwidth needs and capacity on main internet pipes they use.
That's what they could do, but they don't. They call up the guy and read him the riot act and then disconnect him, even if his use was 100% legit and non-interfering.

said by miscDude See Profile :

True... the CMTS's and the nodes may be the big choke point right now, but by being able to quickly calculate how much room they'd need for all their customers in an area they can better plan and execute those pipes used to connect the nodes to the net-proper. Those numbers exist whether published or not, and at least we now have an idea what those numbers are.
That is a useful thing about the 250 GB cap and also about this new Second-Best-Effort plan -- unlike a year ago, both are imposed upon users with some disclosure.
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said by SLD See Profile :

Today I noticed that my VPN connection (router to router) no longer functions. Could Comcast have mucked this up somehow? My router won't respond to pings anymore, even though it is setup to do so.
It's probably not Comcast's new management stuff, since it sits out of band. I'd post in the Comcast forum itself.

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so glad

i use fios now. comcast proves again and again that they suck.

oh btw, the HD pic quality on fios tv kicks the ass of anything i ever saw from comcast. and im so glad i had the choice to dump the shit service i was getting from comcast after many many months of complaining fell on deaf ears. you comcast shills can byte me (pun intended)

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The beginning of QOS for cash

This is the horrible beginning of pay for QOS and priority routing that everyone interested in network neutrality should be watching closely.

Drop everyone down to BE from BPE and then the BS begins.
Then all they have to do is start offering "Our New Super VIP routing for an extra $10 a month". Or start making companies like Google.com pay more to have Comcast customers access google faster?

I hope people are watching..I Hope....
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Re: The beginning of QOS for cash

said by Maxxxt See Profile :

This is the horrible beginning of pay for QOS and priority routing that everyone interested in network neutrality should be watching closely.

Drop everyone down to BE from BPE and then the BS begins.
Then all they have to do is start offering "Our New Super VIP routing for an extra $10 a month". Or start making companies like Google.com pay more to have Comcast customers access google faster?

I hope people are watching..I Hope....
They aren't; they'll be all tangled up in semantics while Comcast buys the PowersThatBe® and puts their boot on your online throat. This is, as you allude to, only the beginning of what Comcast has in store. And other ISPs will follow (unless Comcast buys them first).
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