Edrick
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join:2004-09-11
Orlando, FL | The Reason Why
We got Broadband back in 2000/2001 with MediaOne RoadRunner was because of Napster and free music.
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Mactron
el camino Real
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join:2001-12-16
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| Only Verizon
Only Verizon offers official comment, saying definitively that "we are not working with them on this."
  
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If only the Verizon CSRs worked this well. |
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pleekmo
Triptoe Through The Tulips
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join:2001-09-14
Manchester, CT
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| My Suspicions
I suspect that one reason they aren't admitting is that not only will the ISPs receive negative PR but you can just bet that eventually one or more will be sued for this practice.
I suspect that first in line will be the EFF suing to learn the identity of these participating ISPs and to learn the details of the participation.
I suspect that an affected user will eventually sue and here is where things will get interesting during discovery.
I suspect that some lawyer will eventually argue that such participation negates the ISP's safe harbor protection. This may also make things interesting.
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
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Re: Only Verizon
and i am awaiting the posts from the local RIAA lovers that will come out and accuse Verizon of "Aiding the cause of piracy" because they wont play internet mall security guard.
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ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
| It won't be a secret for long
If this policy goes into effect, it will have to be communicated to ISP employees who have the authority to terminate users. Frontline support may also need to know so they'll know who to refer terminated users to when they call in. Therefore, it's only going to be a matter of time before someone leaks this info to a discussion board, either here or somewhere else. |
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tmccann11
Who, Me?
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join:2001-06-10
Bayonne, NJ
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| Cablevision
Not sure if this was just added, or always there, but Cablevision's OOL Acceptable Use Policy was updated yesterday and I noticed the following:
Network Management
Cablevision reserves the right to use a changing variety of reasonable network management techniques including but not limited to (i) allocating a fixed maximum amount of bandwidth to non-subscribers seeking to upload peer-to-peer files from Subscribers; (ii) utilizing STM technology to prioritize traffic during times of peak congestion; and (iii) implementing filtering and spam detection techniques to manage reliable email sources and mitigate spam. In limited instances, these techniques may affect the throughput rate at which Subscribers may send and receive data, non-subscribers' ability to establish session connections within the network (such as peer-to-peer sessions), or result in the delay of certain traffic during times of peak congestion
Again, this may have been there already, but I noticed it today.
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA |  If you don't deny the practice when asked...
I can only assume those ISPs who have refused to go on record as not participating plan on being part of the 'project' in some form or another. |
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Attack Gypsy
join:2007-05-10
Bridgeport, CT | reply to tmccann11
Re: Cablevision
This has been there for years.
Cv only sends out letters to pirates saying they got caught. They don't tell RIAA/MPAA anything. They won a privacy lawsuit. |
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koma3504
Advocate
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join:2004-06-22
North Richland Hills, TX | Wishing
Wishing someday I will be able to get verizon. |
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join:2002-11-19
Canada | reply to Mactron
Re: Only Verizon
Sounds like they have a bunch of extra revenue headed their way.
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jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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| Tainted "journalism"
A good example of how to mislead people by a simple word choice, without actually lying:
"ISPs Won't Admit Participation In New RIAA Plan"
With that headline, Karl has immediately implied that the ISPs are doing something shady, but just won't come clean about it. Regular readers of the news here know that Karl gets off on sticking it to big ISPs, especially where piracy issues are concerned, so he's taken this news story and spun it in such a way that it accomplishes his goals. He also creates the impression that he's smarter than everyone else and knows what's really going down, so we should listen to him on everything else.
Why not a headline like "ISPs Decline to Comment on New RIAA Plan"? Because that's a bit too nebulous and doesn't allow for editorial bias to enter the discussion.
That's actually what happened -- Verizon said "no," and the rest of the ISPs says "No Comment".
In other news, "Karl Bode Won't Admit Cheating on Taxes". |
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
| said by jester121  :With that headline, Karl has immediately implied that the ISPs are doing something shady, but just won't come clean about it. Some of them ARE. Unless of course the RIAA is flat out lying, which wouldn't be unprecedented. |
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Anonymous_
Anonymous
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join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
clubs: | Have Power BOOST WITH Torrents (TWC)
just enable very basic encryption |
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jmn1207
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join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
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Re: Tainted "journalism"
As a consumer, I believe the ISP's are in bed with the RIAA unless they come out and claim otherwise, like Verizon has done. If you are a lobbyist or work for one of these ISP's in some capacity, perhaps your interests are better served on the side of the conglomerates and their secretive stance.
Their decision to keep silent is at least suspicious, especially considering that the RIAA has claimed it has been working closely with several large ISP's. We know Verizon is not one of them. That leaves the rest of them that refuse to talk. Karl is simply stating what is obvious to many of us.
If I want to read a story about how everything is grand and beautiful with an ISP, I can just catch a commercial or read one of their press releases. I'm not sure how you can justify this as being tainted journalism. |
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA | reply to Kearnstd
Re: Only Verizon
like tk junk mail and pose? |
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA | reply to jester121
Re: Tainted "journalism"
what do you expect? opinion seperated from fact in an article at dslreports? |
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jmn1207
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join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| said by cornelius785 :what do you expect? opinion seperated from fact in an article at dslreports? That several "ISPs Won't Admit Participation In New RIAA Plan" is a fact, not an opinion. Do you see the irony in your insinuation and attack on the messenger? |
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Dilligas
join:2007-10-30
Windsor, ON
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can they??
Can they actually determine what is being sent across p2p which is legal and which is not, filenames can be changed or are they trying to just kill p2p in general? Simply there are other means and this will not affect pirates anyways, if anything just allows other avenues to be exposed to get the data across. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to jester121
Re: Tainted "journalism"
Please, pray tell, clue us in to where you get your unbiased news?
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If you think you're getting unbiased news, then you either agree with, or don't recognize, the bias. |
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jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
·surpasshosting
·ViaTalk
| said by Ahrenl :Please, pray tell, clue us in to where you get your unbiased news? I don't understand the point of the question? The point of my post is to recognize the bias and take it with a grain of salt. |
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