Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC |  Juniper Was Smart
If Juniper was smart, they'd partner with Google to develop whatever is pushing Google to do this. There are bound to be applications outside of just Google that would benefit from this. |
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HarveyTheRabbit
@windstream.net | Cisco Source??
I find it odd that a source of the rumor is coming from Cisco. Being that Google is a Cisco Free Network. |
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danny9894
Student
join:2004-03-05
Minneapolis, MN
1 edit | If this is true how long until Juniper is bought out by Cisco hehe. I welcome a Google router however it is gonna have to do a lot to get me to swtich from my beloved IOS.
*PS* What prodcut are they gonna make next a toaster? |
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NetAdmin
CCNA
join:2008-05-22
|  Google routers
Does that mean my Youtube videos are going to get stuck in the dreaded buffering state even more so than now ?
On a serious note, does Google even have the talent to pull this off? Building routers of the caliber of Juniper and Cisco isn't an overnight or easy task.
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Bye bye privacy
We all know how Google collects data. I'm sure with their router widely deployed they will own yet another piece of the internet. |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
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Re: Google routers
said by NetAdmin  : On a serious note, does Google even have the talent to pull this off? Don't be surprised if the basis for this rumor comes from people leaving Cisco or Juniper or other router manufacturers and being hired by Google. |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH | reply to HarveyTheRabbit
Re: Cisco Source??
said by HarveyTheRabbit :
I find it odd that a source of the rumor is coming from Cisco. See my post below... |
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
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| reply to NetAdmin
Re: Google routers
said by NetAdmin :Does that mean my Youtube videos are going to get stuck in the dreaded buffering state even more so than now ? On a serious note, does Google even have the talent to pull this off? Building routers of the caliber of Juniper and Cisco isn't an overnight or easy task. The most expensive Cisco routers are often outdone by their open source counterparts on both price and hardware, so yeah, I think Google would smoke them in this area.
I can grab an old PC that runs about 233 MHz with about 64 MB of RAM, a few cheap NIC cards, load up some open source software and it does more, faster, than the thousand dollar counterparts.
From my own personal experience of course, I wouldn't pay that much for Cisco hardware when old hardware given a new life is so cheap and without the limitations/price. 
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jhboricua
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join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
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2 edits | reply to NetAdmin
There are some high quality router software product based out of Linux at its core such as Vyatta which, when tested by The Tolly Group, already beats Cisco's 7204VXR and 2821ISR units in routing performance using commodity hardware.
Since it is based Open Source software, there's nothing stopping Google from doing something similar.
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
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Re: Bye bye privacy
Providers would have to buy Google router first, and I just do not see that really happening.
Providers have been using what they have seen to be reliable and work for them. To say "oooh, a Google router" is not going to convince anyone at a board meeting at an ISP to switch routers out to Google ones.
I think this would be more of a way for Google to get the functionality they need, specifically. Cisco, Juniper, and a few others mainly make there routers able to do everything possible out of the box. Maybe Google just does not want all that crap and needs something specific they could not get from Juniper (or anyone else).
I tried to think about how many routers around the world Google uses and could not come up with a number. However, I am sure it is enough that designing equipment in house surely would have its cost benefits. |
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Frank
is chilling
Premium
join:2000-11-03
somewhere
 ·Verizon FIOS
2 edits | reply to knightmb
Re: Google routers
said by knightmb :said by NetAdmin :Does that mean my Youtube videos are going to get stuck in the dreaded buffering state even more so than now ? On a serious note, does Google even have the talent to pull this off? Building routers of the caliber of Juniper and Cisco isn't an overnight or easy task. The most expensive Cisco routers are often outdone by their open source counterparts on both price and hardware, so yeah, I think Google would smoke them in this area. I can grab an old PC that runs about 233 MHz with about 64 MB of RAM, a few cheap NIC cards, load up some open source software and it does more, faster, than the thousand dollar counterparts. From my own personal experience of course, I wouldn't pay that much for Cisco hardware when old hardware given a new life is so cheap and without the limitations/price. I dont know, I really cant picture a standard atx pc being capable of handling routing and switching for multiple oc-48s. 
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
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Re: Bye bye privacy
said by keyboard5684 :I think this would be more of a way for Google to get the functionality they need, specifically. Cisco, Juniper, and a few others mainly make there routers able to do everything possible out of the box. Maybe Google just does not want all that crap and needs something specific they could not get from Juniper (or anyone else). I tried to think about how many routers around the world Google uses and could not come up with a number. However, I am sure it is enough that designing equipment in house surely would have its cost benefits. A customized program can often be more efficient than using a "One Size Fits All" one that has lots of unneeded capabilities/code paths. The question is if going this route is justified since you must start writing it from the ground up instead of using the mature and tested application. Depending on the program, there is the option of going with the mature product and tailoring it by turning off unneeded features. Many programs have the capability to having features turned off and removed since they are modular and thus can approach the efficiency of a customized specialized application. |
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kras2005
Premium
join:2005-12-02
somewhere | San Diego Times?
You know, SD Times does not necessarily mean San Diego Times... |
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tubbynet
reminds me of the danse russe
Premium
join:2008-01-16
Chandler, AZ
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Re: Google routers
said by Frank :I dont know, I really cant picture a standard atx pc being capable of handling routing and switching for multiple oc-48s. qft!
many people want to hype the "open source" product lines. while i agree that on the consumer level, a cisco router is very overkill (though i have a 2811 at home) and is beyond the pricing ability of many people.
however, don't for one second think that google (in their core backbone) is using anything less than a juniper erx (which i believe is equivalent to a cisco gsr/asr). these routers *cannot* be beaten by a simple pc or even server class hardware.
moreover, the reason those cisco or juniper devices are expensive is the modularity. as Frank pointed out, i'd be curious to see multiple sonet links be routed through a typical x86 architecture. hell, i'd like to see the price point of a sonet card capable of oc-48 that could be slapped inside anything with x86 architecture.
q. |
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NetAdmin
CCNA
join:2008-05-22
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said by jhboricua :There are some high quality router software product based out of Linux at its core such as Vyatta which, when tested by The Tolly Group, already beats Cisco's 72xx and 28xx units in routing performance using commodity hardware. Problem is that Google isn't using routers comparable to 7200 series Ciscos, they are using M120 class routers and up for their data centers. And just as discussed on NANOG, it turns out that can't build an open source, OTS hardware based router that can handle multiple 10Gbps circuits with the assorted mixture OC48+ circuits.
You might be able to get a couple of GigE interfaces in a fast box, but then you are pretty limited as to where you can deploy them. Edge routing, probably, but core or border router, probably not.
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bsc
Premium
join:2003-03-11
Lexington, KY | reply to kras2005
Re: San Diego Times?
LOL!
Good eye. It is actually Software Development Times.
Editor FTL. |
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Nyquist
@verizon.net | Old News
This was made public over a year ago.
»www.nyquistcapital.com/2007/11/1···-switch/ |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
·EarthLink
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said by Karl Bode : When contacted for comment, Google says they don't comment on rumor -- yet the same was said when word leaked out they were working on a browser. Let me start a rumor... "Google is developing a thinga-ma-bob". Now contact Google and ask them about this. What do you think their response will be ? |
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jhboricua
ExMod 2000-01
join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
clubs:
1 edit | reply to NetAdmin
Re: Google routers
said by NetAdmin :Problem is that Google isn't using routers comparable to 7200 series Ciscos, they are using M120 class routers and up for their data centers. And just as discussed on NANOG, it turns out that can't build an open source, OTS hardware based router that can handle multiple 10Gbps circuits with the assorted mixture OC48+ circuits. Agreed, however that's more of a niche market. I was merely commenting on the assertion that "building routers of the caliber of Juniper and Cisco isn't an overnight or easy task." Router appliances such as Vyatta provides features, performance, flexibility and price for the majority of businesses out there that Cisco and Juniper can't match. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
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however with how trusted info from the net is, all this could really be is Google making their own firmware for routers allowing them to use current hardware but have more control with their own firmware
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