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Comments on news posted 2009-01-09 08:13:06: Several readers have written in to note that President-elect Barack Obama is urging Congress to delay the digital TV transition. ..

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Tha ReAlEsT
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Good idea

We have more important things to deal with, but this plea might be too late.
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Re: Good idea

We shouldn't be paying 40-80.00 to anyone unless they could prove that they couldn't pay. I know the economy is hurting now but it wasn't when we started wasting billions for this conversion. There are bigger problems to address and this one I agree is far too late to change.

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Re: Good idea

said by ditka_b See Profile :

We shouldn't be paying 40-80.00 to anyone unless they could prove that they couldn't pay.
Normally I would agree with you. But you have to remember that the coupons are being paid for by tapping into a VERY SMALL PORTION of the money selling that bandwidth generated. The government could triple the amount of funding to the coupon program, and still come out ahead.
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Re: Good idea

A small percentage of our rising record national debt? That money was vapor before they ever got it sadly.
No matter how you look at it we all pay for the freebies.
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Re: Good idea

Bud... We pay no matter who is in office. When Republicans win, they borrow and add to that debt. Look at our national Debt when Regan won. He was the FIRST PRESIDENT to sink us into our trillion dollar deficit territory. Bush Sr. Added to it. Clinton Balanced it somewhat, and Jr tossed another 5 trillion to put us @ 10. Borrowing, has consequences. It increases inflation, and makes the prices we pay skyrocket, as we see happening now. Democrats aren't much better. They spend the same, but they tax you to do it. While those "fiscally conservative" Republicans just borrow and pass the cost to you via the Grocery Store, Fuel Pump, and every day increases. All the same really. Politicians just LOVE SPENDING our money or that they don't have.

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Re: Good idea

One of the reasons that the money is an issue is that A LOT of people ordered the coupons, even though they were on satellite or cable. I personally know at least 15 people in my area that did this "just in case". Those coupons should expire in 45 days and the money would be available again.

What is the right expression? You can't fix stupid?

I would support going through with the transition. All of the TV stations in my area have been testing for months with hotlines for callers. Let's get it over with.
jc100

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Re: Good idea

Well ordering a coupon you might not need is not stupid. Let's say your neighbors hit hard financial times and needed to get a box. Should they be forced to pay the FULL COST, because of the economic uncertainty now? Many people are cutting back on luxuries. What you deem as stupid and wasteful, they might view as a possibility. While such a measure takes away from those "definitely needing it", neither is abusing their status. Those that might use very well could. Those that need should have been the first in line to get them and apply. Simple. Wait, and now you are stuck waiting longer.

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Re: Good idea

Why should I order a coupon for my neighbor? Shouldn't HE order the coupon?
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Re: Good idea

I ordered for my grandparents. Why? They are in their 80s and don't understand how to work a computer all that well. Sometimes you do things for people who need help. Are we that far removed from something called common decency and kindness when asked these days?

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Re: Good idea

Are your grandparents your neighbor? Sorry - I assumed you were referring to unrelated fellow citizens that assume personal responsibility for their precious TV watching. You never mentioned people who needed help. You'd think we were talking about 911 service the way you put it, not Jerry Springer.
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Re: Good idea

Does it matter if it's family or s friend? If your elderly neighbor asked you why his signal cut out on his tv, are you going to tell him, not my problem. Go figure it out yourself! Or will you say sorry, you need a converter box, let me go ahead get you a coupon and see what I can do to help. Some people are not jerks. Maybe that's what is wrong with this world today. Too many people have your attitude of if it isn't my problem, then I need not worry about it. Forgive me for saying that people should help their neighbors, family, etc when asked. I retract my statement of compassion and replace with with your "screw everyone attitude".

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Re: Good idea

I don't have a "screw everyone" attitude. But I do believe that people should take personal responsibility. Especially when we're talking about something as insignificant as TV. Now, just because you are elderly, does that mean you need to be ignorant? No, in fact, aside from failing memories, elderly should be wiser than you and I.
We should be asking *them* for advice.

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Re: Good idea

said by SLD See Profile :

No, in fact, aside from failing memories, elderly should be wiser than you and I.
We should be asking *them* for advice.
On most things I would agree. But when you ask the "elderly" for technology advice, you end up with "clogged tubes" on the internet.
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You sure do have a "Screw you" attitude. So let's see. Elderly people do not stay up on technology and need to be looked after many times. You probably don't realize this, because you have no care for your fellow man it seems. So how many 80+ seniors do you know that could operate a computer and post on DSLREPORTS? Hell, my grandparents are 84 and they can just check their email. That's prob 50X better than most their age. So what's your overall point? If someone can't do it for themselves, then tough luck. Nice buddy. Nice. When you get old and have issues, I hope someone drops that attitude and tells you to look after yourself. Need help cooking, cleaning, or taking care of stuff. Don't ask, as no one should come to your rescue. I mean nothing changes with age (health, staying abreast of changes, etc), right? Age is a just a number and nothing goes along with it adding up. Seriously, you have a HORRIBLE ATTITUDE. Since you're all about independence and what not, you building your own roads. I imagine you like to drive, don't you. So lay down the roads where you like to go. No one else should be doing it for you. Driving isn't a necessity. Take a bus or walk.

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Re: Good idea

Ummm...we're talking about buying a converter box TO WATCH TV!!!! Get a life!
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Re: Good idea

And old people love T.V....So what's your point. If they don't understand why they lost their signal, tough luck? It's not a necessity. Go find something else to do like take a jog around the neighborhood at 80 yrs old?

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Re: Good idea

OK, last reply because this got stupid awhile back. The information is readily available - PSAs, websites, radio ads, newspapers, etc. And if that fails, when they call someone to look into it, they'll get a response lickity-split. And yes, it is JUST tv.

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Re: Good idea

Your right about it being just tv. The problem is the coupons should have been given to seniors first. The kids should be told to read a couple of books and the people that need exercise should have to walk 50 miles for a coupon.
In reality...it will be the media types that push for more federal funding because their advertising revenue will diminish via their plunging ratings because they don't have everyone glued to the set watching the CRAP that they're spewing out!
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Re: Good idea

Yes it's a T.V. but once again seniors are not educated about current happenings, like younger generations. G o ask 50 seniors over the age of 70 to teach you about computers and see how much you learn. Hell, most wouldn't be able to turn one on or own one. So you tell me, if that doesn't warrant seniors needing to have people make sure they understand the change. This goes in line with neighbor looking out for neighbor and family doing the same. As for reality and media, who cares. They get revenue from all sorts of advertising. PACS, Political, you name it. One of many sources.

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said by stevek1949 See Profile :

One of the reasons that the money is an issue is that A LOT of people ordered the coupons, even though they were on satellite or cable. I personally know at least 15 people in my area that did this "just in case". Those coupons should expire in 45 days and the money would be available again.

What is the right expression? You can't fix stupid?

I would support going through with the transition. All of the TV stations in my area have been testing for months with hotlines for callers. Let's get it over with.
Even if you do have Cable or Satellite, you still need the converter box if you don't have a digital tuner. What happens when the Sat or Cable goes out? Or what if your TV at Deer camp does not have a digital tuner or the TV in your camper does not have a digital tuner?

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Re: Good idea

said by Jwobot See Profile :

What happens when the Sat or Cable goes out? Or what if your TV at Deer camp does not have a digital tuner or the TV in your camper does not have a digital tuner?
i dunno, people can get a life? not a jab at you personally.

i'm amazed that people are thinking this is a big deal. people that don't prepare will have to get a box. life will go on. this is like y2k hysteria.

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I dunno.

Read a book?

Listen to the radio?
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You don't need a tuner to receive satellite or cable transmissions. Most people don't have the necessary equipment to receive OTA, yet bought the box anyway because they didn't know any better.

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said by stevek1949 See Profile :

Those coupons should expire in 45 days and the money would be available again.
We applied for 1 card for our non-DirecTV connected TV, and I seem to remember it did expire after 60 days. But I haven't seen any mention of what happens to those funds when they do.
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Re: Good idea

said by Camelot One See Profile :

But I haven't seen any mention of what happens to those funds when they do.
When a coupon is issued funds are reserved on the expectation card will be used.

If card expires funds are returned to coupon pool and are available to others requesting coupons.

/tom
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Yeah jc100, Republicans have to be the worse, Bush Jr. ruined the economy in December of 2000, over a week before Clinton even let him in the door of the White House. I read it in the paper, saw it on TV, heard it on the radio, and read it here.
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I like the following analogy:

A Democrat will invite you out to dinner and when the check comes expects everyone else to pay.

A Republican will invite you out to dinner and skip out before the check comes.
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He's probably referring to the 700 MHz auctions, which was possible by the DTV transition.
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Re: Good idea

It doesn't matter which auction and I wasn't referring to any in particular. if the US Government brings in money and doesn't use it to pay off debt eventually you'll pay it with taxes. It's a very simple premise.
The reference to finding 20 dollars was off base but I had a nice laugh.
The reference to carter was a joke but the fact remains we are still not solvent as a country and any money coming in spent this way will need to be replaced by taxes to pay the interest on not using it to pay off debt.

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said by ditka_b See Profile :

We shouldn't be paying 40-80.00 to anyone unless they could prove that they couldn't pay. I know the economy is hurting now but it wasn't when we started wasting billions for this conversion. There are bigger problems to address and this one I agree is far too late to change.
YOU aren't paying anyone anything.
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Re: Good idea

Doh! Ever heard of taxes? And no we are paying for this no matter what you think as long as we are borrowing money we are all paying for every penny that they spend on this.
If they made money from the freed spectrum it was spent back in President Carters days lol

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Waste of money

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BF69, do you have some knowledge of ditka_b's tax exempt status? Or is the money for those coupons coming out of the thin air? We all are paying for this program. Total waste of the taxpayers money IMO. TV programming is not electricity or water. I say if an individual needs a converter box, that individual should be paying for it, not the whole country.
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Re: Good idea

What you guys are failing to realize it that providing the coupons was one of the conditions negotiated in the agreement to shut down analog TV. Even if we do have to provide another $1/2 billion to the program, it was still a good deal. We are paying $2 billion(assuming another $1/2 is funded) in order to get $20 billion. $18 billion (20-2) is a good deal for us.
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Obama needs use his time on more important items that some person who hasn't purchased, or got his free, converter box. This has been advertised forever and PSA'd to death lately. Precisely what does Obama think will now get people to move. I would suspect that the same ones who aren't ready now, won't be ready in 1 month, 2 months, 6 months, or a year, or forever. Some folks just won't move until forced, i.e., they can't receive tv, not that that is anything to miss anymore.

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FCC Chairman Martin says NO to postponing cutover

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Postponing the turnoff of analog TV broadcasts beyond the scheduled date, Feb. 17, could confuse consumers, the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission warned Saturday.

FCC chairman Kevin Martin said it's important to make sure that the converter box subsidy program gets back on track, but that doesn't mean delaying the analog turnoff is necessary.

"There are options they can do without having to delay to get coupons flowing immediately," Martin said. Congress could give the program additional funding, or eliminate the 90-day expiration deadline on the coupons, he said.

"I'm concerned about a delay in the sense that if you can solve that issue other ways, a delay has actually the potential to confuse consumers," said Martin, a Republican. "All of our messaging has been about Feb. 17 — not just ours — the industry's."
Martin FINALLY gets one right.
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Just let it go though

So what if people aren't ready they've been telling people left and right for the last two damn years to go buy a converter they even subsidized a program to make it cheaper for people.

The transition has been pushed back numerous times now a month before the switch lets push it back more. TV isn't that important either your going to buy a converter or not shouldn't stop progress.

I think this is stupid and they should just let it pass. I'd be pissed if I was a TV station and spent all the money to make the switch.
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What about the license holders?

As the network admin for a company that purchased 700mhz licenses in the January '08 auction from the FCC for not a small amount of money, this is not a good thing. We have already purchased 700mhz WiMAX gear to begin our deployment and must wait until the turn-off to deploy as there is a very strong analog TV broadcast on one of the channels we purchased and another one within 6mhz of our second channel. What about the services that we want to deploy that we have customers waiting on that now we will have to continue to put off due to the government? Will we be compensated for the lack of access to a license we paid for?

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Typical Democrat

Too funny. No one has anything they are responsible for, not even their TV.

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Re: Typical Democrat

said by tarpon See Profile :

Too funny. No one has anything they are responsible for, not even their TV.
Yeah, because teh current republican administration and FCC never delayed the switchover either. It has nothing to do with political affiliation.

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Re: Typical Democrat

said by cdru See Profile :

Yeah, because teh current republican administration and FCC never delayed the switchover either. It has nothing to do with political affiliation.
So much for change.
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Nope, too funny because it has only been coming for over 5 years and the Democrats can't seem to get their TVs set up so they can get the word from The naive One.

Does anybody actually think that someone who can operate a TV doesn't know what to do to get changed over? Even my 86 year old aunt figured it out that she didn't have to do anything for her cable to keep working. Hasn't the stations been telling people for months?

What we need is a trillion dollar bailout to help.

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said by tarpon See Profile :

Too funny. No one has anything they are responsible for, not even their TV.
Are you seriously that obtuse. Is the world that black and white to you? I ssume you are a republican that makes you equally stupid.

Me? I'm neither. Some issues I'm more conservitive on some I'm more liberal. why? because I'm NORMAL.
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good greif

If they havent got it by now they are out of luck, seriously... They had HOW LONG to get them? they saw HOW MANY avertisements and constant scrolling marquees on daytime television telling them? around here in pittsburgh they play commercials CONSTANTLY on broadcast stations telling them go get one or you will lose your station access.. i mean good greif... get the darn switch over with already if they dont get it after it then tell them get to the darn store and buy one

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Also discussed here

»Obama urges Congress to postpone DTV transition - MORON

and here:
»Obama wants to extend deadline for DTV switch

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Government Holding Us Back... Yet Again

Obama's incredibly stupid idea that we should put off the DTV transition shows once again that government is indeed the main obstacle to technological progress in the USA. The DTV transition should have been done far sooner than 2009. How is television supposed to advance as a medium if we are forced to use a signaling technology that hasn't advanced since before Obama himself was even born??

How long do we have to continue to potty train the people who just refused to prepare for this switch? The coupons and converter boxes have been available for months now. And even without a coupon someone can just go buy a box and be done with it.
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Re: Government Holding Us Back... Yet Again

"that government is indeed the main obstacle to technological progress in the USA. The DTV transition should have been done far sooner than 2009."

The problem with that logic is that the only reason we are as far as we are is because of government mandates. The market wasn't moving us there. In fact the transition, which was originally scheduled for 2006, was delayed because the market wasn't moving. Government isn't the obstacle. Inertia and human nature is the obstacle.

I think it is too late to talk about further delays. It would only confuse an already confused populace further if we now change all the rules again. There are too many plans already in place, which would be thrown into disarray. If anything is going to happen then the government needs to put more money into the coupon program. The money could probably be temporary since many coupons will probably expire. If the problem is that they won't expire soon enough to allow people to be prepared for the cutoff date then the influx of money only needs to be temporary, to allow coupon distribution to resume before expirations. If it turns out that the government miscalculated how many people actually needed and will use coupons then the government should make up the shortfall from the spectrum sale.
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Maybe I'am wrong in thinking this way, but

[b]WHY should OUR TAX DOLLARS, have to help pay for someone to get get a converter box to twach tv ?

its called PROGRESS,the world is always changing,

the gov't sure didn't help any put that I know of when we had to have our car engines adjust from regular gas to unleaded gas,[b]I didn't see any ck's being handed out for say $2-300.00 to have the nec car engines repaired.YOU PAID THE BILL YOURSELF or you went out & bought a car already set up for unleaded gas.

also in so many polls that have been taken over 60% of Americans are now living in apts,or condo's where a wall cabletv mount is almost standard installation as a telephone jack,
[b]WHY should the Taxpayerhave to to help fund for these gov't give away's,

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Re: Maybe I'am wrong in thinking this way, but

said by whocares See Profile :

[b]WHY should OUR TAX DOLLARS, have to help pay for someone to get get a converter box to twach tv ?

its called PROGRESS,the world is always changing,

the gov't sure didn't help any put that I know of when we had to have our car engines adjust from regular gas to unleaded gas,[b]I didn't see any ck's being handed out for say $2-300.00 to have the nec car engines repaired.YOU PAID THE BILL YOURSELF or you went out & bought a car already set up for unleaded gas.

also in so many polls that have been taken over 60% of Americans are now living in apts,or condo's where a wall cabletv mount is almost standard installation as a telephone jack,
[b]WHY should the Taxpayerhave to to help fund for these gov't give away's,

Yes you are wrong because ZERO tax $$ were used for this. I'm not sure how many times people have to keep telling you this, but it's getting tiring.

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Re: Maybe I'am wrong in thinking this way, but

Wether tax dollars were used to buy the converters directly or not. We are still paying for people to get them. The selling of the address space generated revenue, if we didn't have to pay for people who did not want to contribute, then the revenue used from the conversion could be used for other programs.

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Re: Maybe I'am wrong in thinking this way, but

said by soulcatch :

Wether tax dollars were used to buy the converters directly or not. We are still paying for people to get them. The selling of the address space generated revenue, if we didn't have to pay for people who did not want to contribute, then the revenue used from the conversion could be used for other programs.
Please. You are not paying for anything. Once agian the PEOPLE own the airwaves. Go look it up. Thus when the givernment sold them the PEOPLE are entitled to some of the proceeds sicne they will no longer be able to use those airwaves. The proceeds were given out in the form of digital converter coupons. If you CHOSE not to partake in that it's on you.

If the government takes part of someone's land for their own purposes and then the governemnt writes that person a check are you against that because "you" are paying for that? Is that person not entitled to be compensated for thier loss? same thing.

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The revenues generated by the sale of the Bands is held "in trust" just like Social Security is held "in trust". The govt takes in revenues from wherever they come from and spend that money faster than it comes in (Deficit spending) If one thinks there is a holding place for all that Band sale revenues and it is to be only used for this conversion think again. That revenue was spent long ago. America is Trillions" of dollars in debt and WE the taxpayers have to pay that debt down, whether it be from direct taxes or sale of PUBLIC resources to private industry. Yes the American taxpayer is funding this converter box subsidy. Call it what you want but in the end We the Taxpayer are being tapped to pay for these boxes.

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Procrastinators holding us all up

I have been reading about the cut over since about 1996. It seems to me that the original date back then was a 2004 cut over. It was pushed back 5 years because people and businesses weren't ready. The thing about this country is people will procrastinate as long as you let them. I know people who are sitting on boxes, not because they need them, but because they could get them almost for free. Most people I have talked to that don't know if they are ready are the people who always have to react to situations around them because they never plan ahead.
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Too Late To Delay

I think it's past the point of no return IMO. Delaying at this point will just show that the government has no backbone and is delaying the advancement of technology.

They should allocate more money to people "who cannot afford" to buy a converter and needs one.
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The more things "change"...

the more they don't really change at all... just another politician wanting to "touch" everything he can (the "laying on of hands" healing touch).

This is worse than the Y2K "transition"... at least the politicians couldn't delay that.

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Re: The more things "change"...

Let's just do it. If after all of these years retards can not get the message that is just too bad.

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Re: The more things "change"...

Another stupid idea from Obama. You people elected a pretty face. Not a smart mind. Obama and the dems are already making a joke out of washington.
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Re: The more things "change"...

said by dr3yec See Profile :

Another stupid idea from Obama. You people elected a pretty face. Not a smart mind. Obama and the dems are already making a joke out of washington.
The current White House of Clowns took care of that years ago. Lots of 'smart minds' in there for the last eight years.

This has been a potential issue since before Obama declared his candidacy. If McCain were the president-elect he'd be stuck with the same situation, and be doing the same thing, so take your sour grapes back to the red room.

The television stations really don't want to delay this changeover since they (1) already have the equipment in place to do it and (2) did not budget for the very high cost of continuing to run the analog transmitters beyond the cutoff date.

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What they should have done!

What the Gov should have done is Mandate back in say 2002 or 2003 that all TV's sold have a Digital Tuner. They didn't mandate anything till 2006 when only the large screen ones needed a tuner. If they had done that then Market penetration of DTV ready TV's would be much greater and they wouldn't be subsidizing as many coupons. The story here.. Big TV manufactures didn't want to add that expense to their TV's yet, so they bribed the right politicians and now we the tax payers have to pay for it.

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delay? no thank you

let the transition go through. people will cope.

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Re: delay? no thank you

said by morbo See Profile :

let the transition go through. people will cope.
I agree 100%. The original drop dead date was back in 2006 and we were so ill prepared coming towards that date that the deadline was scrapped. We could keep pushing it back forever and people would still never be ready. Better to grab the Band-Aid and pull fast than try and wiggle it off.

I suppose and a solution would be to have the stations above RF channel 52 vacate on time and migrate to their final home channels, assuming they are available and continue with the dual analog and digital transmissions. At least that would be some progress towards completing the migration.
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Re: delay? no thank you

The original date was pushed back due the scarce availability of the converter boxes and the high cost of digital televisions. That has changed, and there is no real reason to delay this more than the couple of months that the NTIA needs to expire enough unused coupons to re-fund the program. Considering that the money comes from the funds taken in by auctioning the involved spectrum, there should be no problem with extending temporary funding and then "paying it back" later.

The real reason this is coming up now (it started with Consumers Union and spread through Congress to the Executive branch) is nobody wants to take the heat for cutting off the NCAA basketball tournament...

balckwhite

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balck&white

It was better when tv was in black and white.
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They fear the wrath of the AARP

Every politician knows that their political career is over when Grandma wakes up on February 18th and can't watch her soaps or Matlock.

BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Re: They fear the wrath of the AARP

with the fees AARP charges maybe they should help these old folks and give buy them tuners.
gopnick

join:2005-01-07
Benton, AR
No joke. Take away all-you-can-eat country buffets on top of Matlock and The Price is Right and they'd organize a violent overthrow.

tubbynet
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Re: They fear the wrath of the AARP

but it would be a slow-moving overthrow...
lot of squeaking from the walkers and such...
we'd have to make sure that they covered the ends with tennis balls too...i don't want my hardwood floors scratched if they come to get me.

q.
jazzlady

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Re: They fear the wrath of the AARP

said by tubbynet See Profile :

but it would be a slow-moving overthrow...
lot of squeaking from the walkers and such...
we'd have to make sure that they covered the ends with tennis balls too...i don't want my hardwood floors scratched if they come to get me.

q.
OMG

That was the funniest thing I read all day.

Thanks for the laugh.

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said by gopnick See Profile :

No joke. Take away all-you-can-eat country buffets on top of Matlock and The Price is Right and they'd organize a violent overthrow.
No they wouldn't. Those still with their all marbles function and who have 6 digit bank accounts would just ::BORE:: everyone to death by doing a collective ::BITCH:: session and complain about how they "only" live on SS. After about a week of having to hear all that hot air, the country would pretty much give them whatever the hell they wanted just to shut them up.
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TV is a luxury...

Personally I think the discount coupon idea was idiocy to begin with I mean TV isn't something you HAVE to have I know several people who don't watch TV and don't care for it. It's simple really if you can't pay $50 or so for a converter box then TV shouldn't be such a priority to you. Just my opinion though...
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Pull the trigger

A lot of people who are unready for the DTV transition won't buy a converter box unless their TV goes dark.

There are quite a few people I know whose attitude is "Analog TV works fine. Don't touch it."

Therefore if we delay the DTV transition it will keep delaying forever and ever.

It's time to just pull the plug. It should have been pulled years ago. Way too much spectrum was allocated for analog TV anyway. It needs to be freed up.
gt1racer

join:2008-11-19
Fall River, MA

DTV Transition delay responce

That's just great if this happens So much for the new High Definition channels promised to come after the So-called Transition. America should have a say in this decision! and i bet 84% want the transition on Feb 17th and no later, because if this extension were to happen(imagine how many people would of switched for nothing and how us digital customers will have to stick with the on and on Digital TV Transition Scrolls and Annoying commercials on this topic for a very long time to come!!).

BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Re: DTV Transition delay responce

said by gt1racer See Profile :

That's just great if this happens So much for the new High Definition channels promised to come after the So-called Transition. America should have a say in this decision! and i bet 84% want the transition on Feb 17th and no later, because if this extension were to happen(imagine how many people would of switched for nothing and how us digital customers will have to stick with the on and on Digital TV Transition Scrolls and Annoying commercials on this topic for a very long time to come!!).
Um the digital transition has NOTHING to do with HD. Jeez where do you people come from?

what do you mean digital "customers"? this is about OVER THE AIR signals which are FREE.

hhawkman
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Port Hueneme, CA

Pull the switch!

Can you even BUY a new TV without a digital tuner these days?

jsimmons
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Falls Church, VA

Re: Pull the switch!

said by hhawkman See Profile :

Can you even BUY a new TV without a digital tuner these days?
Yes you can.. Just try to buy a battery operated / handheld portable TV and see if you can find a digital one. I get catalogs in the mail all the time (got one yesterday) with battery powered pocket color TV's for sale. And after Feb 17 all you will get on them is snow and hiss.
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BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Re: Pull the switch!

said by jsimmons See Profile :

said by hhawkman See Profile :

Can you even BUY a new TV without a digital tuner these days?
Yes you can.. Just try to buy a battery operated / handheld portable TV and see if you can find a digital one. I get catalogs in the mail all the time (got one yesterday) with battery powered pocket color TV's for sale. And after Feb 17 all you will get on them is snow and hiss.
yeah about 1/10 of 1/10 of 1/10 of all TVs sold are these type.

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Re: Pull the switch!

And your point would be? It was asked if you can even buy an TV today without a digital tuner. Answer yes you can.

People want portable battery TV's for emergencies - hurricanes, ice storms, taking to ball games, camping trips, boats, etc. or when the power is out for extended periods. We need digital tuner portables and they are few and far between.
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caesarv

join:1999-08-02
Santa Rosa, CA

Just Do It!

As someone said, procrastinators will wait until their TV goes dark. If they delay this a year, procrastinators will wait a year. The only incentive to get it done is to have the TV go out. All stations in a given area should stop broadcasting analog for an hour or so at various times. This will wake the procrastinators up!
My parents bought a converter even though I told them not to. I gave them a new TV for Christmas. They now have converter they do not need. My guess is about 10-20% of the converters will never be used.

BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Re: Just Do It!

said by caesarv See Profile :

As someone said, procrastinators will wait until their TV goes dark. If they delay this a year, procrastinators will wait a year. The only incentive to get it done is to have the TV go out. All stations in a given area should stop broadcasting analog for an hour or so at various times. This will wake the procrastinators up!
My parents bought a converter even though I told them not to. I gave them a new TV for Christmas. They now have converter they do not need. My guess is about 10-20% of the converters will never be used.
A) your parents can give the box to a friend or neighbor who needs it.

B) ebay
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