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Plus Sprint has an awesome network (no, really) and for $30 over voice-only you get unlimited everything-but-voice, which is great for showcasing the performance of something like the Pre.
Compared with Verizon and AT&T, who would charge you$8 for 7pm nights and weekends, $10 for navigation, $30 for data, $20 for text messaging...yeah...
If the keyboard is good enough and a WiFi tethering app is available, I'm getting this phone instead of an HTC TouchPro as my upgrade path, no doubt. I can upgrade at 2 months in May... | |
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Sprint? Haha. Doomed before launch.
LOL, ok. Sprint is better than Verizon(voice quality/price) and ATT(Customer service run by the Sicilian Mafia) anyday. | |
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I've been a Centro user since it came out, and am pleased with the little gem. Wonder if I would like the Pre... | |
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Riverhead, NY | Re: Sprint I had to install and activate a Spring Broadband card yesterday. It's $70/mo.
The online "Auto Activate" failed.
The number they gave me to call had to options: 1) Activate card 2) All other inquiries.
Pressing 1 resulted in "this call cannot be completed as dialed". Pressed 2, entered the phone number - "this call cannot be completed as dialed". This was on a NEXTEL and on a land based IP phone.
Calling customer service resulted in a 45 minute wait. At the end of that wait he gave us the number above. Told him it didn't work. He said he would transfer and bam - hung up on.
The nextel cell dropped the next two calls - despite having sufficient service. It finally took about a 30 min phone call to finally activate it.
Their customer service department FAILS. | |
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Camden, TN | why do companies do deals with Sprint? #1 reason I want Sprint to go under. WTF do these companies want customers? the NFL has a deal with Spint. Does the NFL not know Sprint maybe 12% of the mobile market and it's not going to get larger? Call me silly, but if I'm a company and I decide to do an exclusive deal then wouldn't I want to choose the company that has the MOST customers? That means either Verizon or at&t. Both are about the same size. Not fricken sprint. | |
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| | | Re: why do companies do deals with Sprint? Verizon had this but didn't want to pay the premium to keep it. I have Verizon and would like the option. I finally dumped Charter and moved to Directv to have the Sunday Ticket and NFL Network.
The NFL likes to lock in with certain companies it appears. | |
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kudos:3 | Um.. if you don't like a company, then go away and get a life. Really.. anyone that "wants" a company to go under? Seriously, didn't that mentality go away back in grade school on the play ground?
Your numbers are flawed, for one. And, people counted Dish and DirecTv out too.. when DirecTv ended the agreement with Tivo, they called Tivo out.. well? What stopped that.
When are you going to learn that just becuase you don't like a company, they're not going to die? If you don't like them, then don't do business. You only look a fool when you spend so much time fan-boying for their death.
These kinds of posts are counter productive and a waste of screen space - really.
Besides.. I'll just reiterate this now.. don't pray for the end of the competition love or hate them... you WILL regret it! Call the death to cable, as so many, and see where Verizon/AT&T wind up going BACK TO... (lets nor forget the crappy way they treated the consumer for YEARS!)
Funny how so many people call for competition on this site while calling for the end of it at the same time.
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Newark, NJ | Re: why do companies do deals with Sprint? said by fiberguy:Um.. if you don't like a company, then go away and get a life. Really.. anyone that "wants" a company to go under? Seriously, didn't that mentality go away back in grade school on the play ground? Your numbers are flawed, for one. And, people counted Dish and DirecTv out too.. when DirecTv ended the agreement with Tivo, they called Tivo out.. well? What stopped that. When are you going to learn that just becuase you don't like a company, they're not going to die? If you don't like them, then don't do business. You only look a fool when you spend so much time fan-boying for their death. These kinds of posts are counter productive and a waste of screen space - really. Besides.. I'll just reiterate this now.. don't pray for the end of the competition love or hate them... you WILL regret it! Call the death to cable, as so many, and see where Verizon/AT&T wind up going BACK TO... (lets nor forget the crappy way they treated the consumer for YEARS!) Funny how so many people call for competition on this site while calling for the end of it at the same time. /rant Sanity and intellect have been restored on this thread. Thanks fiberguy, my thoughts exactly.
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kudos:1 | What's wrong with Sprint? AFAIK, Sprint has better service than AT&T, albeit smaller. What's wrong with going with a quality, small company? | |
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Camden, TN | Re: What's wrong with Sprint? said by EveryName:AFAIK, Sprint has better service than AT&T, albeit smaller. What's wrong with going with a quality, small company? Um let's see. LESS customers. Who cares how great the serivce is if you can't get it. I can't get Sprint in my area. They don't seem in hurry to want me as a customer. So Verizon gets my business. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: What's wrong with Sprint? said by moonpuppy:said by BF69:said by EveryName:AFAIK, Sprint has better service than AT&T, albeit smaller. What's wrong with going with a quality, small company? Um let's see. LESS customers. Who cares how great the serivce is if you can't get it. I can't get Sprint in my area. They don't seem in hurry to want me as a customer. So Verizon gets my business. I had Verizon and their customer service was condescending to say the least. Just because they are the biggest, doesn't make them the best. I'm not sure which part of
willing to offer me service > not willing to offer me service
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| | | | | | Re: What's wrong with Sprint? said by BF69:I'm not sure which part of willing to offer me service > not willing to offer me service you don't get? Let's see. Altel is not available in my area but had great reviews (and was gobbled up by Verizon.) Just because AlTel was not willing to offer me service doesn't mean they were a bad company. Judging a few of their plans, I would have signed with them too.
Sprint is available in most areas as is ATT, T-Mobile and Verizon. There are some places Verizon is not as is there are places other companies don't service.
My statement still stands. Verizon might be in a lot of places but their customer service was horrible IMHO. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: What's wrong with Sprint? said by moonpuppy:said by BF69:I'm not sure which part of willing to offer me service > not willing to offer me service you don't get? Let's see. Altel is not available in my area but had great reviews (and was gobbled up by Verizon.) Just because AlTel was not willing to offer me service doesn't mean they were a bad company. Judging a few of their plans, I would have signed with them too. Sprint is available in most areas as is ATT, T-Mobile and Verizon. There are some places Verizon is not as is there are places other companies don't service. My statement still stands. Verizon might be in a lot of places but their customer service was horrible IMHO. so does mine. Did I say Spint was "bad"? no I said they have far fewer cusotmers and thus making an exclusive deal with them makes little sense if you goal is to attract as many customers as possible. | |
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Santa Cruz, CA | Re: What's wrong with Sprint? said by BF69:said by moonpuppy:said by BF69:I'm not sure which part of willing to offer me service > not willing to offer me service you don't get? Let's see. Altel is not available in my area but had great reviews (and was gobbled up by Verizon.) Just because AlTel was not willing to offer me service doesn't mean they were a bad company. Judging a few of their plans, I would have signed with them too. Sprint is available in most areas as is ATT, T-Mobile and Verizon. There are some places Verizon is not as is there are places other companies don't service. My statement still stands. Verizon might be in a lot of places but their customer service was horrible IMHO. so does mine. Did I say Spint was "bad"? no I said they have far fewer cusotmers and thus making an exclusive deal with them makes little sense if you goal is to attract as many customers as possible. If you dont hate sprint why do you want them to go under?
This phone will be launched on other networks in the future, as they announced they have a GSM version coming soon.
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| | | | | | | | said by BF69:so does mine. Did I say Spint was "bad"? no I said they have far fewer cusotmers and thus making an exclusive deal with them makes little sense if you goal is to attract as many customers as possible. This is what you said earlier in this thread.
said by BF69:Um let's see. LESS customers. Who cares how great the serivce is if you can't get it. I can't get Sprint in my area. They don't seem in hurry to want me as a customer. So Verizon gets my business. You implied Sprint did not care about you simply because they chose not to service your area and that Verizon does.
As for the exclusive part, it's all about most bang for the buck. Verizon had the opportunity for the iPhone but said no because they wanted more money than Apple was willing to let go. They went to ATT and that seems to have paid off since half of the number ports to the iPhone were from Verizon.
»Half Of New iPhone Owners Came From Verizon
Imagine what would have happened if the iPhone went to Sprint.
T-Mobile has already signed with Danger (their Sidekick line which is now owned by Microsoft) and with Google and Android (with their G1 phone.) All carriers have Blackberries to a point as well as an assortment of Windows Mobile phones. If this new thing takes off, it could go well for Sprint and Palm. | |
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kudos:12 | said by BF69:said by moonpuppy:said by BF69:I'm not sure which part of willing to offer me service > not willing to offer me service you don't get? Let's see. Altel is not available in my area but had great reviews (and was gobbled up by Verizon.) Just because AlTel was not willing to offer me service doesn't mean they were a bad company. Judging a few of their plans, I would have signed with them too. Sprint is available in most areas as is ATT, T-Mobile and Verizon. There are some places Verizon is not as is there are places other companies don't service. My statement still stands. Verizon might be in a lot of places but their customer service was horrible IMHO. so does mine. Did I say Spint was "bad"? no I said they have far fewer cusotmers and thus making an exclusive deal with them makes little sense if you goal is to attract as many customers as possible. Sprint has 20-30 million customers and they are the number 3 carrier. Sorry you live in the middle of nowhere Tennessee and it doesn't make sense for them to deploy service to your area. | |
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kudos:3 | DirecTV was a drop in the bucket compared to cable but they signed up with NFL.. now look where its taken them.
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1 edit | Hmm...far fewer seems an odd statement considering as of July '07 Sprint trailed AT&T by 3.5% in market share... (little research always helps  )
And as far as the quality...yes, their customer service sucks but frankly 90% of the off-shored service sucks as a matter of consequence. Their EVDO hauls comparatively and costs the least of all carriers.
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kudos:3 | said by BF69:said by EveryName:AFAIK, Sprint has better service than AT&T, albeit smaller. What's wrong with going with a quality, small company? Um let's see. LESS customers. Who cares how great the serivce is if you can't get it. I can't get Sprint in my area. They don't seem in hurry to want me as a customer. So Verizon gets my business. And I can't get T-Mobile in my area.. I guess they hate me like Sprint hates you. Sad you feel singled out. Bet its a good thing you have other providers to chose from, huh?
Maybe Sprint asked for the status as a way TO get customers. You clearly have no concept of how a business operates. You think AT&T taking the iPhone with all the BS requirements that goes with it was due to their size? Do you think that the iPhone didn't contribute in part to their growth? sheep will flock to toys.. maybe this is the toy that people will go for.. there are palm fans out there just as there is crack-berry fans and the iPhone fans. | |
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Valley Stream, NY | Just give me a PDA I used to love my Palm T|X, that thing worked awesome till it worked. But ended up being so fragile that lost its purpose. I used it as portable wifi email client, video player (watched xvid movies) and most of all, as an mp3 player.
PalmOS sucked for being stuck in early 2000s, Palm didn't adapt and failed. Now I have a G1, but battery life sucks on that thing and still I'm yet to find good mp3/video player for it
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Newark, NJ | Re: Just give me a PDA said by Tomek:I used to love my Palm T|X, that thing worked awesome till it worked. But ended up being so fragile that lost its purpose. I used it as portable wifi email client, video player (watched xvid movies) and most of all, as an mp3 player. PalmOS sucked for being stuck in early 2000s, Palm didn't adapt and failed. Now I have a G1, but battery life sucks on that thing and still I'm yet to find good mp3/video player for it What? Where did you get the notion that "Palm failed"? Palm is alive and kicking, soon it will be kicking ass and taking names, again. Where do you get your information Tomek? Their Centro has been selling stellarly, despite having dated technology, the Treo Pro is doing rather well also and the Pre will undoubtedly enjoy even better sales figures than the Centro and Treo Pro, it beats the pants out of the Apple iPhone -- I've been an Apple fan for almost three decades -- even its ergonomics are superior to the iPhone, as soon as the revision B hits the stores, I'm getting myself a Pre, I will be just one among the millions who will do so.
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| How Long Until a GSM Version? I have to wonder what Palm is thinking. A device tied the third largest carrier out of four. Had they gone with a GSM model, they could have had AT&T and T-Mobile customers as well as any other country in the world that supports GSM.
I wonder if/when an unlocked GSM version will be available.
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1 edit | Re: How Long Until a GSM Version? said by n2jtx:I have to wonder what Palm is thinking. A device tied the third largest carrier out of four. Had they gone with a GSM model, they could have had AT&T and T-Mobile customers as well as any other country in the world that supports GSM. I wonder if/when an unlocked GSM version will be available. Sprint has a network that blows everything but VZ out of the water and is faster and more stable the VZ, in the Northeast anyways. I would have switched to GSM a long time ago, but ATT is lost-call-deluxe and their 3G is horrible, VZ is expensive and TMobile is considered something teens use for fun, No 3G and they run off ATT anyways, they have no real presence. Throughout the ACELA corridor (Boston to Washington, Sprint is quite powerful.
I know Sprint used to lack much in customer service, but that has gotten much better, and their price/performance ratio cannot be beat. I can tether my Centro to my notebook and not pay a dime extra. Their plans are very forgiving.
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"Palm Pre is scheduled to be available first in the United States exclusively from Sprint in the first half of 2009, and will be followed by a world-ready UMTS version for other regions."
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Sprint and Palm have always been good partners and its not surprise really if you just stop and think about how much the two companies have worked together in the past. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Sprint bandwagon Dec30 marked 1 year that i'm w/ sprint.
From my personal experience Sprint had/has one of the worst customer service. When i received my phone i had to call *5* times to activate it. they either couldn't find my account or couldn't port my number or claimed they haven't shipped my phone yet or said phone was activated and it would take 2-3days until it began working.
and that was activating a phone - something they have to do for every single new customer, they should have this procedure nailed down to a perfection...
From what i can tell, cell service is on par with other carriers, however customer service...i dread ever calling them again.. | |
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I'm very happy that they launched a new OS with new hardware. I hope Sprint does succeed it business. It good to see someone turn their business around.
Although I do Wish that Verizon got it, But i know that Verizon is way more picky on what they allow their customers to have. (crippled software) | |
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1 edit | Strayed away Interesting how this topic has strayed away from the news article. Sprint needs another cool phone other than the Centro, and Treo.
I too am a Sprint customer, they they are leaps and bounds better than T-Mobile and AT&T in my area. | |
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| Re: Strayed away +1 on that. Though some of their feature phones, like the Rant and Lotus, are pretty cool for the midrange folks. And smartphone-wise you have a pretty full selection. The Palm Pre, though, may prove a real iPhone competitor, if not an iPhone killer. Palm knows how to make powerful handheld OSes, versus Samsung who makes feature phones. | |
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1 edit |  Sprint issues aside; the phone has some nice features
The other issue is will developers(open source) write apps for this platform's OS as well as for the iPhone, Android, & Windows mobile operating systems. What apps will be available will determine if this new OS is around for awhile or will die on the vine.
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| Hmm, MicroSD? Looks like not. Guess this phone's going to have to be extra good for me to get it then.
Might as well make a wishlist for the Pre 2
1. Horizontal slide-out keyboard (a la HTC products nowadays).
2. MicroSD slot.
3. A WMWiFiROuter-like app (but someone can dev that right?)
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Wi-Fi? GPS? Qwerty keyboard? There's nothing in the feature list that hasn't already been done. I think this product is doomed before it even gets off the ground.
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1 edit | Re: Never another Palm Hmm...here's a toothpick to get some of those "i-pubes" out of your teeth there buddy. Considering I sold my iPoo-ne, you might wanna look at the vids on this page before you tout what "hasn't been done". Cause slob-my-knob-Jobs toy can't do what WebOS is doing...tho I'm sure he's got the whole team workin' on it now.
»www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/palm···comments
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kudos:12 | Looks slick This looks nice. It's about time Palm revamped their offerings. | |
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2 edits | I don't get it either, re: sprint bashing Despite the debacle that was the Sprint/Nextel merger...the only problem Sprint has ever really had was their customer service. That's it. The service they provide, and the price for those services is rock solid as far as I am concerned. Always has been...I can't really say their customer service has gotten better or worse, as I haven't had to call them, but I did go to their service center the other day as something happened to my Centro keypad and couldn't get into the phone at all. I don't have insurance on the phone...didn't even buy the phone directly from them. For $55 they replaced the phone for me (more than likely a refurb, but I bought it used, and really in general don't have a prob w/ refurb). They didn't have a black one in stock so ordered one for me...had it the next day.
I think its kind of how ppl like to bash Vista...same thing w/ Sprint...its trendy to do so.
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Kissimmee, FL | Nice! Looks like a great OS. All the apps are built in HTML, CSS and Javascript? That's very cool if you think about it. | |
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1 edit | Looks good so far Reading about the internals, i.e. how the OS is built and such I like where they're going with this.
The Sprint thing is fine with me since I am a Sprint subscriber. I get some of the dislike but then again none of them are really 100% awesome customer service wise. My service works and generally works very well.
Oh and given the developer kit they're putting together I'd be curious to see more mail app availability from other vendors. Are you watching, IBM Lotus?
Cool stuff overall, Palm might get some good movement with this device. | |
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kudos:16 | Re: Looks good so far I'm uncertain about their approach to applications, though. Doing everything as local web-apps is fine, especially if you make a rich API available to apps to let them interact with the device. However, this immediately rules out a large number of performance-intensive applications. Third-party audio and video players (doing decoding themselves)? Anything that manipulates an audio or video feed? Anything but basic games? Any kind of emulation? There are so many types of applications that the Pre just won't be able to handle without some sort of access to native code (or at least J2ME).
I believe I did hear that there were plans to introduce an additional display layer to give access to lower level languages, though, so that'd pretty much erase all my complaints. | |
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Hollywood, FL | Re: Looks good so far said by Guspaz:I'm uncertain about their approach to applications, though.... Yea I'd agree with your comments overall. Granted this is pretty new but I think what I see that's promising is that they're making a point right up front to say "look, we're not totally locking thing thing down."
Basd on what they've said, some additional avenues are likely to come available such as that other display layer.
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