TKJunkMail
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|  Don't expect anything to really change
There is just a new corrupt sheriff running the town and the major players who bought his campaign victory will expect to be paid back in favors - as it has been for over 200 years. Politicians are all for sale and the new one with his mantra of "change" is no different. So Washington will dump billions in to the pipeline, but only millions will come out the other end.
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| said by TKJunkMail  :There is just a new corrupt sheriff running the town and the major players who bought his campaign victory will expect to be paid back in favors - as it has been for over 200 years. Politicians are all for sale and the new one with his mantra of "change" is no different. So Washington will dump billions in to the pipeline, but only millions will come out the other end. Holy cow I think for once I agree with TK Junk Mail. These are the same companies who refused to expand their network out to the rural areas and blocked the latest in Internet connectivity technology to befit themselves where if they in turn spent the money on improving their infrastructure I think they'd be in a better position.
I see this as just another cash grab hell maybe I become an ISP and than go to Washington and plead my case if its anyway the 856Billion bailout for Wall Street went than it should be quite easy. |
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mr sean
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| Competition...
...And not simply competition for funds from the stimulus package. Encourage start-ups and small carriers by insuring a slice of the pie. Utilizing already existing government incentives such as Community Connect Broadband Grant Program may help to funnel resources.
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Re: Don't expect anything to really change
said by TKJunkMail :....So Washington will dump billions in to the pipeline, but only millions will come out the other end. millions? I think you significantly overestimate the "flow thru". I believe most, if not all, of any money thrown at the ILECs will be as effective as the $350 billion thrown at the banking industry.
In other words, a complete waste. |
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Matt
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said by TKJunkMail :There is just a new corrupt sheriff running the town and the major players who bought his campaign victory will expect to be paid back in favors - as it has been for over 200 years. Politicians are all for sale and the new one with his mantra of "change" is no different. So Washington will dump billions in to the pipeline, but only millions will come out the other end. It must suck to live in such a pessimistic world. |
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TKJunkMail
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1 edit | said by Matt :said by TKJunkMail :There is just a new corrupt sheriff running the town and the major players who bought his campaign victory will expect to be paid back in favors - as it has been for over 200 years. Politicians are all for sale and the new one with his mantra of "change" is no different. So Washington will dump billions in to the pipeline, but only millions will come out the other end. It must suck to live in such a pessimistic world. I see it as being realistic. And then use that info to take advantage of the system as it is. If I learned anything during 18+ years of schooling and 30+ years of business it is how to game the system.
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Re: Competition...
said by mr sean :...And not simply competition for funds from the stimulus package. Encourage start-ups and small carriers by insuring a slice of the pie. Utilizing already existing government incentives such as Community Connect Broadband Grant Program may help to funnel resources. I think we'll see a move toward a Telecom Act of 1996 type strategy. Obama has proven that he knows how to research, listen to smart people, review history, and make the most intelligent informed decision based on all the available data. |
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Matt
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Re: Don't expect anything to really change
said by TKJunkMail :said by Matt :said by TKJunkMail :There is just a new corrupt sheriff running the town and the major players who bought his campaign victory will expect to be paid back in favors - as it has been for over 200 years. Politicians are all for sale and the new one with his mantra of "change" is no different. So Washington will dump billions in to the pipeline, but only millions will come out the other end. It must suck to live in such a pessimistic world. I see it as being realistic. And then use that info to take advantage of the system as it is. Realistically, you're a pessimist? So the glass is always half empty, but at least that really is water in it? |
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said by TKJunkMail :If I learned anything during 18+ years of schooling and 30+ years of business it is how to game the system. Which is precisely why I respect your opinion, but would never vote for you for public office or ask you to sit on my board of directors. This country needs new life ... I'm tired of you stodgy, backroom good 'ol white boys ruining everything.  |
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1 edit | said by Matt :said by TKJunkMail :If I learned anything during 18+ years of schooling and 30+ years of business it is how to game the system. Which is precisely why I respect your opinion, but would never vote for you for public office or ask you to sit on my board of directors. This country needs new life ... I'm tired of you stodgy, backroom good 'ol white boys ruining everything. LOL. Well now, be of good cheer. You now will get to see minorities and women "ruining everything".  
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| they were given this money years ago
Someone should calculate all the money these providers have gotten over the years in tax breaks and extra government money to build fiber a decade ago, or ISDN, or whatever. So much money has already been given and promises broken. When will there be accountability for these kinds of measures? |
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I'm smack dab in the middle of town, right next to a university (Colorado School of Mines, close enough that I can get a weak WiFi signal from their network, close enough that I can sit in a few classrooms and get onto my own network). Guess what speeds Qwest is giving me? That's right, 5 Mbps/ With interleave and PPPoE. End result: 4.25 Mbps on a good day with lousy latency and $47+per month. Oh, and 700k uploads (896 * 0.85 minus some because Qwest's last mile sucks).
So I'm going with Comcrap right now. AFter the promo expires, $65/month for 8 Mbit service. At least they overprovision so they deliver what they say they will.
I wouldn't give one red cent to the incumbents unless they have it down on paper the EXACT places that money will go,and by what period. For example, $1.2 million as a 3.25% loan to provide FTTN 20Mbps to everyone with a Golden, CO address. Should be enough slush in there to do the job right. Or $2 million to Windstream to upgrade their infrastructure to serve ADSL2+ to everyone in Fredericksburg, TX city limits. Both of these with stipulations that they should be done by August 1st, 2009.
Or give the money as a loan to Clear, to get them to deploy to more cities...stipulate that they should move up their city rollout schedule by 9 months if they're given $300M.
What's sad is that, if Clear was here, I'd be satisfied with 6/512 service for $40 per month, with interleave-DSL-like latency in all likelihood. The competition is either much more expensive or slow-as-molasses-in-midwinter.
But yeah, don't give money to incumbents unless there's paperwork saying every cent will be spent on improvements to infrastructure, or new infrastructure, with hefty penalties (like 100% of the "bailout" award) if things don't happen.
I gota get moving with my WiMAX plan though. I'd like a few million to get my dream up and running, and better me than the lobbyists, right? |
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pnh102
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Re: Competition...
said by Matt :I think we'll see a move toward a Telecom Act of 1996 type strategy. Obama has proven that he knows how to research, listen to smart people, review history, and make the most intelligent informed decision based on all the available data. Oh geez.
I suppose that explains his decision to push Congress to punt on the DTV deadline. For someone so "smart" he shows complete ignorance about how such transitions work and how much everyone involved has invested into making it happen.
Something tells me that Obama's DTV "strategy" is probably the tip of the iceberg regarding his overall strategy on "national broadband plans."
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| Isn't it the reason you lived in a rural area?
Isn't one of the reasons people choose to live in a rural area, is to relieve themselves of "the city"? Broadband is a "city" thing.
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Matt
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Re: Competition...
said by pnh102 :said by Matt :I think we'll see a move toward a Telecom Act of 1996 type strategy. Obama has proven that he knows how to research, listen to smart people, review history, and make the most intelligent informed decision based on all the available data. Oh geez. I suppose that explains his decision to push Congress to punt on the DTV deadline. For someone so "smart" he shows complete ignorance about how such transitions work and how much everyone involved has invested into making it happen. Something tells me that Obama's DTV "strategy" is probably the tip of the iceberg regarding his overall strategy on "national broadband plans." Well, a lot of people may have invested a lot to make it happen, but if it's not going to happen PROPERLY, then the right decision is to delay. If you read, no one thinks we're ready for the transition .. NO ONE. So delaying to avoid a catastrophe sounds like the smart decision to me. Let it progress and fall into a million shattered pieces without proper planning sounds like a certain Administration we're all almost rid of. |
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cptmiles
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Re: Isn't it the reason you lived in a rural area?
I know more farmers that have true business experience than most city folk. They need broadband to run their businesses as much or more to check the market, weather, etc.
We all don't live like Grizzly Adams in the country. |
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Matt
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Re: Don't expect anything to really change
Ha ha, I grew in up Greensboro, NC, the home of the Woolworth lunch-counter sit-ins ... and on top of that most of my life was raised by a single Mom. I went to a High School that was 90% Black, 5% "Other" (We were the only ESL school) and 5% White. All during the Rodney King Trial and verdict. So I'm well versed in what you speak of.
I will guarantee you one thing, I have drunk the Obama Kool-Aid, but I also know what a sugar crash is like. I'm not expecting him to fix everything that ails us in 4 years flat, but if we're not well on our way with plans clearly laid out ... I likely won't vote for him again.
Unless of course my choice is another Republican like the last few I've had the pleasure of choosing between. |
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Re: Isn't it the reason you lived in a rural area?
"We all don't live like Grizzly Adams in the country."
QFT!
I live LESS than 2 miles away from DSL I have for over eight years, every one on our road has called(16 or so houses) they said it was not profiable ENOUGH. They would still make more money than they are now if they spent whatever it would cost to extend the lines, but not as big of a profit as they would like with out price-gouging(SP?) us, so they are just like "skrew you I want more money". |
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MrMoody
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the telco finally began offering their slightly faster ADSL2+ service, in limited markets, at speeds of 12Mbps/896kbps or 20Mbps/896kbps. Those upstream speeds are as good as it gets for millions of Qwest customers.
Those upstream speeds are as good as it gets for ADSL of any version. The only way to go faster is bond lines or go to VDSL.
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pnh102
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Re: Competition...
said by Matt :If you read, no one thinks we're ready for the transition .. NO ONE. For the previous DTV deadline, which I think was in 2004 or 2006, I would totally agree with you. Back then TVs with digital tuners and converter boxes were hard to come by so many people would have been inconvenienced.
However, this is 2009. TVs with digital tuners are plentiful. So are converter boxes. All satellite TV and cable subscribers are ready. The only people who are not ready are those who are too cheap to go and buy converter boxes at full price because they were too lazy to sign up for the coupon program. These people have no one to blame but themselves and it is wrong for Obama to hold back the companies which want to invest and have already made significant investments in the old analog TV spectrum on the account on a handful of lazy stragglers.
Obama clearly has no understanding of how technological transitions or migrations work given that he advocated this approach. Perhaps he should have surrounded himself people who have more experience in this field.
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