cferra
Premium
join:2005-01-31
Valley Stream, NY
| Been the case.
This has been the case since the roll out of FiOS. I got my first install of FiOS, I moved since then in Valley Stream, I want to say like 2 and a half years ago. I was told by the technician THEN that they were abandoning their copper network and band-aiding it. Verizon no longer has a vested interested in a network that they are required to share, with FiOS, they are not required to share the lines that they put up, so they are pushing that HARD.
Chris |
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devnuller
join:2006-06-10
Hollis, NH | You lost me at....
"...union officials said..." |
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ross
join:2000-08-16 | There oughta be a law...
I'm sure that the Telcos are required by law to maintain the copper infrastructure, as well as emergency back-up systems. Someone should be suing... |
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JohnDrenZ
Premium
join:2000-04-03
Phoenix, AZ
 ·Optimum Online
| reply to cferra
Re: Been the case.
I worked for the phone company for 16 years (Verizon & Qwest) and left when fios was still a dream and it always was band aid repairs. They only issue here is over time, people doing fios are making money and Pots isn't. Working for the phone company with no overtime is a crappy job! |
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nycdave
Premium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY | Slow News Day?
More of the same....
This has been covered way too many times here... |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to devnuller
Re: You lost me at....
said by devnuller  :"...union officials said..." Agreed. We've seen how great unions have been for the Big 3 car companies. I take what they say about copper with a grain of salt.
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Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! |
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cferra
Premium
join:2005-01-31
Valley Stream, NY | reply to JohnDrenZ
Re: Been the case.
That makes sense, FiOS installs and runs are being pushed to the forefront, so the O/T would be there. |
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NotAUnionPerson
@verizon.net
| reply to ross
Re: There oughta be a law...
Actually there are laws, however I believe that the business plan takes fines for poor service into account. It actually costs less to pay fines than keep copper at min levels. Verizon has diverted all funds to FiOs, not only copper is suffering. They have cut funding to Service Trucks, Staffing, IT(Billing) and many other areas. For those of you that think this is the normal course of business, this has gone beyond that... they are sacrificing the business to ensure that FiOs is installed. |
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28
 ·magicjack.com
| Band-Aid
The only "permanent" repair for copper is fiber. Any repair of [Verizon] copper infrastructure will probably, by design, be temporary. Migrations that take years will always result in this kind of problem. I'm sure the dwindling numbers of copper/land-line customers has something to do with it, too. |
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DannyZ
Gentoo Fanboy
Premium
join:2003-01-29
Erie, PA | reply to pnh102
Re: You lost me at....
Wow how about evaluating the message instead of the messenger?  |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| reply to ross
Re: There oughta be a law...
Nothing says they can't patch a cable vs. running a new one. All that matters is that it works. I would not trust the union's claims that the patches fail a few days later. If this was true, they wouldn't be patching as the network would never be up. |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Always been this way
"Ol' reliable" POTS service has never been that way for me. |
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Ryno
The Wanderer
Premium
join:2001-04-07
Danielsville, PA
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·RCN CABLE
| reply to pnh102
Re: You lost me at....
said by pnh102 :said by devnuller :"...union officials said..." Agreed. We've seen how great unions have been for the Big 3 car companies. I take what they say about copper with a grain of salt. I'm sure all the fat cats up top earning a gazillion dollars are not union. BOTH sides are at fault, both side make "live for today" decisions, not long term.
A couple years ago Ford was getting $9000 profit on every Expedition. on top of that dealers were getting an additional slice of pie making the pure profit alone well over $10,000 - $12,000. this was after costs.
Maybe if they put out a quality product at a reasonable price more people could afford new vehicles. but then Joe Blow CEO couldn't make his unreasonable salary, and the banks playing with stocks wouldn't be making money, and the mutual fund managers could ... nm, nothing will change |
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OSUGoose
join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
clubs: | reply to ross
Re: There oughta be a law...
They are doing the bare min. Thus the bandaid repairs. It works, just not as great as it should, but its stil able to call 911,thus no violations. Untill u get no dil tone or circuits are busy for 11, no regulatory agency is gonna care. |
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Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
·EarthLink
·AT&T Midwest
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| reply to devnuller
Re: You lost me at....
said by devnuller :"...union officials said..." I'll admit that I don't know enough about the whole infrastructure of a copper phone network, but when the union guy says "...Verizon foremen regularly instruct workers in the field to splice faulty copper lines instead of replacing them", isn't replacing lines an enormous task ? |
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
| reply to pnh102
What the union states is true. I originally had verizon copper phone line service. I was tied up with a doctors office (i would pick my phone up and hear the conversation) . VErizons tech supp told me right out that they will not fix the problem because they are installing fios and dont want to spend the money to fix the copper . HE also said if I dont like it go somewhere else. So we did we went to cablevisions voip and have had great phone service ever since. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10 | reply to pnh102
Sure... cause the CEOS making Millions in Kick Backs and Bonuses and begging for Billions in bail out money are unioned right? Mismanagement starts at the top and flows downriver. |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Of course
It's in their financial interests to say Verizon is neglecting copper. |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to DannyZ
Re: You lost me at....
Because the message is brought into question if the messenger is HIGHLY biased. We are only getting their side of "the message" and can't trust them to tell us the whole story. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to majortom1029
That's been an Ohio issue long before FiOS was ever thought of. Hell that was back when DSL first came out and in Ohio VZ was not allowed to sell VZ Online. Only the loop and was had to let an ISP handle the rest. |
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