SlickEnW
Premium
join:2003-01-21
Seattle, WA
clubs: | Yikes
Wow. They don't deserve the business if they are pulling speeds based solely on their inability to plan a network. That's just weak. |
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iansltx_
@spcsdns.net | reasonable
300 GB is more than Comcast's cap, and 18/2 is decent speed. Below that, caps are rather meh, but the overage prices, 50 cents per GB, are better than a buck per gig, and better than being cut off. Wonder iif business plans are uncapped... |
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ryanwa
join:2008-12-19 | wave
If you have Wave, get rid of them. Crap business and a horrible business model. They're making Comcast look like a godsend. |
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drew
Reformation
Premium
join:2002-07-10
Port Orchard, WA
clubs:
 ·wavebroadband
|  Thanks for the article Karl.
Glad to see this is getting some press.
I'm not a very popular person regarding this subject as I still haven't found (IMO) a reasonable, non-illegal use for 300GB/mo. That's 50GB higher than Comcast's caps too.
The issue, as an anonymous user on the Wave forum points out, is with the slower tiers. I'm at the 6mbps/1mbps plan, which comes with a 50GB/mo. cap. That's tiny.
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TomClancy
Freedom isn't free
join:2003-04-23
... | Wow!
Wow, somebody worse than Comcast? Hell is freezing over...
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | Ya I heard somewhere that the Devil went out to but a coat
lol |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
 ·Fairpoint Communic..
| Sucks for those who don't have FIOS!
Hey, I admit it, I've used over 1TB/month, several times. Of course, when you have a 15/15 connection for $50.00/month, that's a pretty good deal. So far, this month, I've used a combined 940GB (up and down), and nary a whisper from my ISP. What am I downloading, well, linux iso's of course!
But, looking at them, if they HAVE a 100GB cap/month, then how in the hell can they justify a 3GB/DAY Cap? I mean, at 30 days, you could only USE 90GB. What is the extra 10GB for, free 'profits'.
If they can't AFFORD to PROVIDE those speeds, then they shouldn't SELL those speeds. Your 'cap' should always be the max speed you can go 7x24x30.
Why don't they just sell 1MB/sec, for $75.00/month. That would allow them to make a profit, and it sure as hell wouldn't affect grandma who checks e-mail every month.
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drew
Reformation
Premium
join:2002-07-10
Port Orchard, WA
clubs: | The 3GB/day caps are in place only in a select area and only due to growth problems. Rather than inflict all users with poor performance, they are throttling the heavy users. To me, a fair thing to do.
The 3GB/day caps are TEMPORARY. |
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mleland
Premium
join:2002-12-17
Westwood, CA
| Wave doesn't just suck at caps... try tv too....
You should go to their website and use zip code 95947 to check for what service is available. It used to be Charter and now I believe the cable system is under 50 channels total with no digital anything for 40$ a month. Admittedly this is a very small cable head end and local area but every time the system is sold we are told there will be digital service soon.... yeah right....
Thank God my parents can choose between Dtv and Dish instead! |
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jazzlady
join:2005-08-04
Bartonsville, PA
·ProLog
| reply to TomClancy
Re: Wow!
said by TomClancy  :Wow, somebody worse than Comcast? Hell is freezing over... I've been ice skating in Hell for years.
My ISP charges me $54 a month for 15/2 service- and my cap is 80 gigs.
I would KILL to have Comcast's cap. |
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iansltx_
@spcsdns.net
| reply to SlickEnW
Re: Yikes
Fiber circuits are expensive, not particularly usage based and take awhile to trun up. Seriously though, unless you're using online backup (or downloading tons of torrents) you're not going to use 300GB per month, more than Comcast, ATT, TWC, ProLog, etc.
Yes, 50GB is a bit low, but what does the 6 Mbit plan cost? I'd say 100 GB would be reasonable for such a tier.
As to the FiOS user, Verizon runs a backbone network, and has tons of last mile capacity.TONS I tell you. So yes, they can afford to give you 15 Mbps symmetric 24/7 if you're on GPON and not affect anyone else. Wave, with DOCSIS 1.1, doesn't have that luxury. Want them to upgrade? Build your own ISP. At least they don't deprioritize your traffic, they just lower your speed.
About the idea that your cap should be your maximum data amount at your particular speed, I don't want a 768k cable connection. Or a 1.5 Mbit cable connection for that matter. If I wanted that I'd get a fractional or full T1. If you want that type of connectivity (which DOCSIS, even 3, can't handle well) get fiber or dedicated copper (T1/3).
Again, 50 cents per gig isn't bad. Better than being cut off for a year. No, Wave isn't worse than Comcast...if I had the choice between their new capped plans and what Comcast has in my area I'd switch in a heartbeat. |
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Sarthax
@wellsfargo.com
| reply to drew
Re: Thanks for the article Karl.
Amen Drew.
a 50 GB a month cap would equal out to a 24/7 connection running at .15mbps for 30 days. Not much of a deal for 45 bucks. You would honestly be better off with a 1.5mbps uncapped line if you download offline content and don't need it right away. It's a shame 1.5mbps isn't good enough for quality streaming however. |
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ztmike
Mark for moderation
Premium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
·Comcast
| LOL
I love the part where it says, "Includes 300GB of data transfers per month at no additional charge"
Their TO KIND! LoL.. |
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drew
Reformation
Premium
join:2002-07-10
Port Orchard, WA
clubs:
·wavebroadband
| reply to Sarthax
Re: Thanks for the article Karl.
Well, personally, I'd rather manage BW usage and be able to burst download files or stream a movie than be waiting forever and a day for something to download even if it wasn't capped.
But, my internet is paid for by my company as I am on-call pretty much 24x7x365 for our eCommerce business, so I might just have to get upgraded to the 10mb package... I think 100GB is probably doable, but I'd much prefer the 18/2 :P |
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to iansltx_
Re: Yikes
How about $9.99 a month for unlimited usage? No caps, just the best effort to make sure everyone gets an equal share of bandwidth available?
How is it that no other company is able to pull off this technical feat? 
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to SlickEnW
said by SlickEnW :Wow. They don't deserve the business if they are pulling speeds based solely on their inability to plan a network. That's just weak. yep.
...to handle network strain after growing faster than they expected.
translation: added customers faster than they increased capacity.
apparently the ISP business model in the U.S. is not to increase capacity when their customer base grows, but to throttle and cap. |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY | slippery slope...
if you keep paying companies whom provide lousy terms of service, you get exactly what you deserve... comcast included.. the only way to get what you want is to vote with your money! |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Caps should be proportional to Speed
If you want to impose a cap, it should be based set based on full speed usage time. In the case of that 18Mbs tier they set it at 300GB. This means that the 10Mbs tier should be capped at 166GB and the 6Mbs one at 100GB. These caps provide the SAME usage time per tier before going over. The question of applying the same overage charges for all 3 tiers is a separate issue that can be argued either way. |
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jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | reply to knightmb
Re: Yikes
How about we make it "free" and turn it over to the government? |
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badtrip
East Bay
Premium
join:2004-03-20
Albany, CA
 ·Unwired Ltd
·Comcast
| I love the way these companies shift the blame
to their customers.
Comcast: "It's not our fault our network slows down when our customers download. It's our customer's fault for downloading! If you don't like the slowdown and/or caps, go talk to your neighbors, they're the ones downloading, not us!"
Wave: "Hey if customers didn't sign up for service so much, then we wouldn't have to implement these tiny caps and throttling measures. If you don't like these caps and throttles, go talk to your neighbors they're the ones signing up for service, not us!"
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