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Comments on news posted 2009-01-27 08:16:05: As had been expected, the Senate yesterday voted to delay the transition from digital television from February 17 to June 12, prompted by fears that Americans wouldn't be prepared for the transition. ..

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BucknRusty

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June 12

Oh ok, so what has the public had, a year or two to get ready and didn't pull it off. All they need is 5 more months. Right! If the change over is tomorrow or 10 years from tomorrow, there will be some people who still haven't gotten ready.

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Re: June 12

It's called "Legislating for stupid".
Its a political system similar to democracy, but instead of "of the people, for the people", you write laws around the stupidest people you can find. Sort of a "No idiot left behind" policy if you will.

In a country where "this stuff might be hot!" has to be printed on every coffee cup, I am not at all surprised we didn't get people prepared for the transition in time.
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Re: June 12

They should print "this stuff might be hot!" under the cup!

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They've already done that in Education. It's called "No Child Left Behind" but it amounts to the same thing, and the same descriptor you gave applies. It's pathetic.

You know the education system is in trouble when a California High School Exit exam, administered in the last semester of the 12th grade, only covers concepts up to 8th grade and no further. And it's required to pass this test to get out of high school, course credits and grades from 4+ years of high school notwithstanding.

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Re: June 12

said by DHRacer See Profile :

You know the education system is in trouble when a California High School Exit exam, administered in the last semester of the 12th grade, only covers concepts up to 8th grade and no further. And it's required to pass this test to get out of high school, course credits and grades from 4+ years of high school notwithstanding.

And people still fail it...
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Re: June 12

They should make a fail blog for legislation.

DTV (FAIL!)

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In huge percentages, too.

The percentage of kids that pass it per school is like in the teens, in some districts. You'd think that would be the fail percentage, but its not. That's how we wind up with 2nd and 3rd year seniors in some high schools.

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said by Camelot One See Profile :

Sort of a "No idiot left behind" policy if you will.
Thank you for making me laugh today

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Procrastinators won't move until forced to. So how does this get them off their Butts ?..
Look for yet another extension come June...
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Re: June 12

said by Mactron See Profile :

Procrastinators won't move until forced to. So how does this get them off their Butts ?..
Look for yet another extension come June...
By then all the stations will be diigtal. also in this bill there can't be anymore delays.

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Re: June 12

While I see everyone's logic (even agree with most), the fact is, there are millions of people who were suppose to get a coupon for the converter, but can't (program ran out of money), so now there is this waiting list of millions of people. Also, there is still debate on whether people will even be able to get any signal.

Couple that with the sour economy, people don't want to buy a new TV with a digital tuner because they would rather pay the bills.

This is important to non-technical people and if more non-technical people vote to wait than the technical ones, well it's democracy in action I'm afraid no matter how one-sided the argument is.
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openbox9

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Re: June 12

I call BS on the sour economy issue. People don't need to purchase a new TV and if they truly can't afford $40 (without a coupon) for a DTV tuner, then they've got much larger issues than watching TV.

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Re: June 12

I agree...
Sour economy - and the worst thing people can do is complain about not having TV that's practically free ($40-$60 one time w/o a coupon).

Ads have been on TV a lot for the past 6 months.

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They have to setup a digital antenna, which if you buy one from the store is around $80. Of course you can make one for next to nothing but they dont tell you about that so most people will have to spend money for the converter and an antenna. While that doesnt hurt my budget, for some thats a lot of food.
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Re: June 12

said by Swingerhead See Profile :

They have to setup a digital antenna
There is no such thing as a "digital antenna". The laws of physics aren't changing with this transition. Most likely, the existing antenna being used will work the same after the transition. I say most likely because it depends on what frequencies the stations broadcast at before and after the transition.

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Re: June 12

said by openbox9 See Profile :

said by Swingerhead See Profile :

They have to setup a digital antenna
There is no such thing as a "digital antenna". The laws of physics aren't changing with this transition. Most likely, the existing antenna being used will work the same after the transition. I say most likely because it depends on what frequencies the stations broadcast at before and after the transition.
I wish everyone was like you

unlike Cablevision's scary ad about the digital signal for me WABC will be moving the digital feed from UHF to VHF so my antenna can still get the signal regardless or not. most of these so called digital antenna's are so overpriced :-/
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What the heck is a digital antenna? Converter and an antenna? I guess that's why we have the delay. Just plain ignorance on this subject.

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said by Swingerhead See Profile :

They have to setup a digital antenna,
There is no such thing as a digital antenna that is marketing hype. FCC mandates a change from analog to digital they did not change channel frequency assignment.

Having said that digital characteristics are very different then analog. One may need a better antenna but the same antenna that improves digital TV will also improve analog TV. What makes digital so controversial is multipath and cliff effect.

Multipath results from signal bouncing off an object and arriving at different times. In analog results in ghosts, in digital if it is bad enough will prevent reception. Newer receivers do a much better job dealing with multipath. In urban area multipath is cause by reflections off buildings in rural areas off mountains or the ground.

As one moves away from transmitter signal weakens dramatically - inverse square law. A viewer 40 miles away from the transmitter has about a millionth the signal as someone within a few miles. With analog TV picture has increasing snow until viewer considers it unwatchable. With digital picture is perfect until signal level drops below critical threshold. When that happens receiver is unable to decode signal. This is called digital cliff effect. If momentary results in pixilation, longer and picture goes away or freezes.

/tom
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Re: June 12

said by tschmidt See Profile :

What makes digital so controversial is multipath and cliff effect.
And with the numerous modifications to the tuner chipsets over the last several years, most (all?) new tuners minimize these concerns.

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Re: June 12

said by openbox9 See Profile :

new tuners minimize these concerns.
I agree to an extent.

Newer tuners due a much better job dealing with multipath.

Newer tuners come closer to theoretical signal-to-noise ratio but can do nothing about cliff-effect. That means TV or converter box is able to receive weaker signal but when critical threshold is reached image pixilates.

/tom
openbox9

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Re: June 12

Absolutely, that's why I said minimize the concerns.
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There are some things that are not being taken into account. Cable companies and locals that ARE prepared for the transition.

For example, in my are ALL the transmitters are digital but only half way up the tower. Analog is cranked down and the process was happening. However, during this transition, anyone just outside the city (I am 60 miles away) gets no signal, digital or analog, without a lot of help (large antenna on a tower).

I am hoping that the local stations ignores that and just raises the digital antennas and power, lowers the analog, and deal with it.

So far I have seen some bad decisions since Obama got into the seat.
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Re: June 12

Like what? he hasn't decided much since being in office. The only one that maybe a bad decision depending on what you believe is the abortion policy that he reversed. The Senate decideded this. He only asked them to consider.

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Re: June 12

said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

The Senate decideded this. He only asked them to consider.
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said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

Like what? he hasn't decided much since being in office. The only one that maybe a bad decision depending on what you believe is the abortion policy that he reversed. The Senate decideded this. He only asked them to consider.
Some of his "bad" decisions according to some have to deal with the executive orders on abortion, Git'mo, Eric Holder as AG (which has had "assault weapons" flying off the shelf) etc.
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Re: June 12

which of course are generally the people who wanted McCain as president but thats another topic.

but then again if they don't like how Obama is running the country now. they can always set up in 4 years and offer to take the place.
stevephl

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Really are the numbers of people without coupons in the millions? The program ran out of coupons in the past month, why did these people wait until the last minute? The reason this country has been experiencing difficulties in the past forty or so years is that we have allowed the poor, uneducated non-taxpayer to vote and dictate policy. How can people who cannot conduct their own affairs have a say in national politics and policy making? As has been pointed out numerous times why force the switch over to be delayed because of losers? You mention a souring economy in your post, yet any delay in switching over to digital from analog places an undue burden on TV stations which will incur additional financial lost, how is that okay in your book?
Through out history there have been the left behinds, lets not let national policy be set now by these left behinds, Obama needs to get a clue here as does Congress.
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Re: June 12

said by stevephl See Profile :

Really are the numbers of people without coupons in the millions? The program ran out of coupons in the past month, why did these people wait until the last minute?
Ummm, if, for example, 100 million people request coupons, and there are only 80 million coupons, it doesn't matter when they request them, does it?

TD

BF69

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Re: June 12

said by towerdave See Profile :

said by stevephl See Profile :

Really are the numbers of people without coupons in the millions? The program ran out of coupons in the past month, why did these people wait until the last minute?
Ummm, if, for example, 100 million people request coupons, and there are only 80 million coupons, it doesn't matter when they request them, does it?

TD
Yes it does mater since it said CLEALY on the website that ther would be a limited number of coupons and that the porgram may run out of them before march 31, 2009

Secondly, they could have refunded the coupon program without delaying the cut off.

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stevephl

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Sure, the early bird gets the worm. You still have the ability to purchase the converters. Think about it though most people are not either cable or satellite, how many people really needed the coupons? I know a lot of folks at work who requested coupons even though they have no intentions of ever using the coupons. The bottom line is the move to digital TV has been in the offing for sometime now, it needs to happen and we cannot place undue financial burdens on the TV stations because of a few procrastinators. I just a check of local outlets that carry converter boxes and these converters are available here. It might be different if we didn't have boxes available but in fact we do, people can still purchase the boxes and we can get on with moving forward into the 21st century.
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Ah close to fifty million coupons have been issued, considering the number of TV's sold in recent years with digital tuners, and the number of people on cable and satellite this leaves very few who would need these coupons. Still no one is being prevented from purchasing a $40.00 to $50.00 converter on their own, there are plenty available. Finally if these people procrastinated and waited until the very end of the program yes they loose it is their fault. The bottom line is that people in this country now find the most stupidist things to bitch and complain about. I bet these people's ancestors a 100 years ago were bitching about the transition from horse and buggy to the automobile, or from ships to aircraft. What category do you fit in?
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said by stevephl See Profile :

Really are the numbers of people without coupons in the millions?
Yes, not that the waiting list should really be a limiting factor for the transition, IMO. »www.broadcastingcable.com/articl···lion.php

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said by knightmb See Profile :

While I see everyone's logic (even agree with most), the fact is, there are millions of people who were suppose to get a coupon for the converter, but can't (program ran out of money), so now there is this waiting list of millions of people. Also, there is still debate on whether people will even be able to get any signal.

Couple that with the sour economy, people don't want to buy a new TV with a digital tuner because they would rather pay the bills.

This is important to non-technical people and if more non-technical people vote to wait than the technical ones, well it's democracy in action I'm afraid no matter how one-sided the argument is.
the point you fail to get is that Tv stations CAN still cut off analog on Feb 17th. So if you are one of those that have bene waiting and think you have until June to act you are going to be very surpsied when your TV is usueless well ebfore then. COngres could have just as easily apporpritat more funds to the coupon program, allowed peole with expired coupons ot re-apply and extend the deadline to file for coupons with out extendind the cut off date which will confuse everyone. People that were waiting for their stations to go all digital so they could get better reception are now going to be forced to wait 4 months because of people for whatever reason are not ready if thier station is not going to switch until June. How is that fair. You take the time to get prepared and you get punished?

I for one hope the vast majority of stations switch so these idiots that voted for the delay can see what a clusterfuck they created.
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people have $40

BF69

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Re: June 12

said by u3912974 See Profile :

people have $40
I agree. same type of peole that get foodstamps because they don't have enough money for food but I see them buying cigarettes. $1 week saved gets you a coverter box in a year or less.

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I think this is just stupid. If you want to watch T.V. buy one, dont look for a handout from the government. This is just living, I wont ask for a rebate because I want a new hybrid, I will just get one on my own. Everyones looking for a freebee.

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said by BF69 See Profile :

By then all the stations will be diigtal. also in this bill there can't be anymore delays.
Unless of course Congress votes to change that.
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Re: June 12

said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by BF69 See Profile :

By then all the stations will be diigtal. also in this bill there can't be anymore delays.
Unless of course Congress votes to change that.
The only reason they got this bill passed was because they promsied republican there wouldn't be any more delays. I doubt they'll get enough support for another delay in June. there wouldn't be any logic in another delay.
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Re: June 12

I think this is the third delay.
I can see them doing it again, and again...

Anyone know the original cut-off date?

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Re: June 12

said by AstroBoy See Profile :

I think this is the third delay.
I can see them doing it again, and again...

Anyone know the original cut-off date?
The one before Feb 17th 2009 was DEC 31 2006.

Once again there will NOT be another delay. Ok 1800+ stations in the US over 300 have already or will 100% for sure go all digital by Feb 17. The other 1500 can go all digital before June 12 if they wish. If for some reason Congress feels people aren't ready and say 90% of the stations are already all digital WTF would be the point of another delay?
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The 17 February date is the date by which all TV stations broadcasting over the air have to make the transition by, but these TV stations are free to make the switch over at anytime the please and could have done so much earlier.

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said by BF69 See Profile :

By then all the stations will be diigtal. also in this bill there can't be anymore delays.
What Congress taketh away, they can givith back. Just because they wrote that there can't be any more delays doesn't really mean that there can't be any more delays.

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said by BucknRusty See Profile :

Oh ok, so what has the public had, a year or two to get ready and didn't pull it off. All they need is 5 more months. Right! If the change over is tomorrow or 10 years from tomorrow, there will be some people who still haven't gotten ready.
some peole don't want this transiton to happen so they do nothing hoping it can somehow be stopped. This delay only confirms ther desires though ultimately will hurt them because the tansition WILL happen, but they won't do anyhting beause they'll maistakingly believe the government will keep delaying it. what's ironic once they see how much beter digital TV is they'll wonder why they were so against it.

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Coupons ?.. No need. These Dolts need this. Mail this to them instead ?..

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Re: June 12

The sad thing about that pamphlet is that it actually has a lot of useful info laid out in a way that only an "idiot" wouldnt understand. I hand those to customers when they start to get that blank look in thier face when I try to explain the differences between 1080i/p, 720p, 480i/p, differences between digital, analog and HD. It even has a decent description of the 120hz capabilities in there.
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what next?

So in June are a bunch of publicity-seeking politicians going to again say, "those poor people aren't ready yet, let's give them 3 more months!"? Enough already. If someone doesn't know about the transition by now they don't watch tv anyway, or are just too stupid to connect a box to begin with.

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Re: what next?

said by fuziwuzi See Profile :

So in June are a bunch of publicity-seeking politicians going to again say, "those poor people aren't ready yet, let's give them 3 more months!"? Enough already. If someone doesn't know about the transition by now they don't watch tv anyway, or are just too stupid to connect a box to begin with.
I think perhaps Obama wanted this delay to go over what is happening - since that is what he is doing with ALL of the Bush decisions and rightly so. I don't think there will be another delay.

I agree with everyone that those who are not ready now will not be ready in June either and won't get ready until they cannot see their television at all.
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Re: what next?

Not to go political, but if that is the case, he is rushing things. Closing Guantanamo, where do you send the prisoners? If he is checking all of Bushes decisions he had 8 years to do so. (or was it only 4!).

I think Obama is acting out of fear that the public will be confused. No reason to over analyze this.

No, June will come and it will be no different, except maybe some more box coupons will be available.

BTW. I know the economy sucks but the boxes I saw are only $40 - $50. All of my televisions already have digital tuners and they are years old.

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Re: what next?

I am not going to argue politics on here. I believe one way and others will undoubtedly believe another. I was expressing what I believe about what is going on now with the delay.

I am more than ready for this transition myself but others will not get ready until they absolutely have to.
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said by SeattleAD See Profile :

I think perhaps Obama wanted this delay to go over what is happening - since that is what he is doing with ALL of the Bush decisions and rightly so. I don't think there will be another delay.
Sympathize with your case of Bush Derangement Syndrome there Buddy...

The CONGRESS of the US passed the transition bill many years ago, probably when Dems were the majority. It actually started with the Clinton administration (remember him ? He was a Dem) or before. You guys will still be blaming Bush for current admin f***ups in four years, won't you ?
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what's the point?

from what I hear station can stil turn of analog after Feb 17 anyway and I suspect many will so this will only lead to more confusion and frustration. And frnakly if you're not ready by Feb 17th, 90% you are not going to be ready by June 12th.

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Stupid

Stupid. Besides I think most people could use some quality time away from TV.

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Re: Stupid

said by JazzJRabbit See Profile :

Stupid. Besides I think most people could use some quality time away from TV.
True. All these people who find they can't watch TV anymore might just find they aren't missing anything. They might just junk their televisions for good.
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Rural America

Sen. Rockefeller represents West Virginia, a very rural state. Get used to the idea that city-slickers don't always get the last word.

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What's the problem?

Just switch over as scheduled. Anyone else who didn't get the memo will wake up pretty damm quick once their TV stops working.

Sheesh.
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CHANGE

well i guess obama and pose are delivering on their promise for 'CHANGE'. except this 'change' seems like a step backwards.

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confused.

I'm confused how this hurts anyone? its just TV. and seriously, do we NEED the airwaves to be freed up? well, immediately anyways? i haven't heard any details why this is important. I've heard rhetoric, nothing else. I don't watch tv as it is. everything I watch is recorded ota in hd (thank you wintv-hvr-1600). and if i forget that then there is the hd streams off the major networks websites.
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It's BS

If people are not ready for the transition, then they deserve to be cut off. This has been known for easily 2 years now. There has been a load of effort by the government to make this known. Delaying it will only give the unprepared another reason to not be ready and whine for another delay.
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Re: It's BS

2 years!?! This transition was outlined in the 1990's!

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Re: It's BS

said by mlundin See Profile :

2 years!?! This transition was outlined in the 1990's!
yep I first read about it in USA today in 1995.
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Re: It's BS

And that is the problem as I see it.
The switch has been talked about for so long people are starting to become jaded and cynical.
Why in the world after this many years would any one want to buy a "converter" if it seems like it will never happen?
Besides, with technology moving so fast, a better box with more features will be available for less in 6 months, but wait I got cable / satellite TV?
So why do I need one anyways?
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So is this a done deal?

Doesn't House need to vote on this also before we have a done deal?
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Re: So is this a done deal?

said by JSRoman See Profile :

Doesn't House need to vote on this also before we have a done deal?
Yep. I've already fired off a note to my Representative this morning, for whatever good it'll do.

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Re: So is this a done deal?

»www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/01/27/digi···n.delay/

"The House Energy and Commerce Committee is scheduled to review its own version of the digital TV delay bill Tuesday morning. "

Not a done deal yet.
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That's what I thought... but if it's already made it through the Senate, I doubt there will be much of a hold up in the House.

Leaves one to wonder if we'll put it off again in June... then 4 months later in October... then 4 months later in February, 2010... then... well at some point either there has to be the realization that the people holding up the process are just not going to change until they are forced, or this is going to turn into a case of the boy who cried wolf, where no one actually believes that it's ever going to happen anymore.

eric_n_dfw

join:2001-10-22
Euless, TX

Would the IRS delay?

Can we get he IRS to delay tax day if we're not ready to pay on April 15th?

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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day

join:2006-07-30
Ocean Gate, NJ

Thank god

I'm not so dense that I can't keep up with current events and realize that DTV is coming.

RainWind

join:2000-10-20
Van Wert, OH

Boxes can be hard to come by

Most of you probably didn't even need a box, so you might not be aware that getting one can be like pulling teeth. I had tried to order one 8 months ago. Then it was on back order. Then a couple months later the order was cancelled.

Attempting to get my hands on a damned box that didn't cost $100 was a serious pain in my arse. I never did get one.

In the end I ended up buying a new TV and getting Dish TurboHD. But what about all the other people who can't get the cheap $40 converter box they want? The problem isn't just the program running out of money (I never did get to use my coupons), but people can't even get a box because the one they want is out of stock.

Its a huge headache for the people that need them.

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u3912974

join:2007-07-31
San Francisco, CA

a no is a no

it's just like being told no

BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Pity for those who are lazy in denial or just stupid

No pity for those that did get prepared on time and now have to wait up to 4 months for the increase in signal strength. Some areas won't get a good enough signal until the cut off and until then the people that are ready and have been ready for months are now going not get the imporved signals that were promised on Feb 17th. This is fair how? Any compensation for the stations that will spend an extra $25,000 a month keeping their analog transmitters on? No.
gt1racer

join:2008-11-19
Fall River, MA

I knew this was going nowhere!

I Can't believe they did this, now i have to wait PATIENTLY all over again to have HD Channels added to my local lineup?

Geez people get with the program. these same people will not switch anyway before June 12th.

BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Re: I knew this was going nowhere!

said by gt1racer See Profile :

I Can't believe they did this, now i have to wait PATIENTLY all over again to have HD Channels added to my local lineup?
You ALREADY have them. Most stations are already brodacsting in digital and HD already.

Fox McCloud
Crazy like a fox.

join:2006-07-23
·Embarq
·Sprint Mobile Broa..

Pathetic

If the statistics are correct, then only 2.17% of the US population will not be ready by Feb. 17th....so we're going to push this date back just because of such a low number?

I can easily see legislation to increase funding for the coupons and making more available for that 2.17%, but not delaying the digital switch-over for another 4 months....ridiculous.

I hope stations flip the switch on Feb. 18th anyway...it's going to cost them millions to continue operating 2 transmitters...not to mention some are actually keeping their digital transmitters at a lower power to save a few bucks (and because of this some can't get the digital version of the analog channels).

This is completely and utterly stupid.....go ahead and fund the stupid program if you must (rather they not), but don't push the date back, again.

godigital

@farrel.com

Go Digital

Idiots. You can get the stupid box without the coupon. You don't see McDonalds extending their coupon expiration if you didn't get your chick mcnuggets by the expiration date. The goverment should just reimberse the slackers after-the-fact.
apollo80

join:2002-01-31
Richmond, VA

It'll still be Feb. 17 for almost every market after all

The reason this passed is the Republicans made an effert to insert into the bill that every market can make the decision as to turn off analog or not.

Being in the TV industry, I can tell you that NOBODY in the industry that I've talked to think delaying is a good idea.

Here's my prediction...

All general managers of all tv stations in your city will call one another and say, "Hey, we're going to turn off analog on Feb. 17 anyways. We don't want to pay over $25,000 a month extra to power our analog OTA signal. Are you on board? Good."

Then, out come the public service announcements in your town, saying something to the effect of, "Our town is ready to go digital! We're still on target for February 17th! Join us in the digital revolution!", or something like that.

Almost all of the country will go digital, regardless, on February 17th.
Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA


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Re: It'll still be Feb. 17 for almost every market after all

It probably depends on how large a market your in and who owns the stations. Here in the Pittsburgh area we have two CBS (CBS + CW) owned and operated stations and CBS has already publicly stated it supports the delay. The station manager may not have a choice and you can bet if the CBS station doesn't shut down analog neither will the ABC and NBC affiliates. Of course many stations in smaller markets won't be able to afford an un-budgeted four month delay.
Lazlow

join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO


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Re: It'll still be Feb. 17 for almost every market after all

I do not know. $25k/month just to advertise to a segment of the population that is not likely to have a significant amount of extra money? I think most stations will shut down their analog systems as fast as possible. If those stations(keeping analog on) are stockholder owned I would imagine those stockholders would be screaming their heads off.
VictorWI

join:2003-05-30
Greendale, WI
·RoadRunner Cable
·Teleblend

Who cares?

I'm ready, I have my DTV signal. So what if they don't force a cutoff, nothing would change for me. Why is this such a big issue for people when they force the switch-over? Sure, they must eventually so ATT & Verizon can get to work on using the spectrum that will be freed but a couple of months isn't go to make much of a difference.

BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Re: Who cares?

said by VictorWI See Profile :

I'm ready, I have my DTV signal. So what if they don't force a cutoff, nothing would change for me. Why is this such a big issue for people when they force the switch-over? Sure, they must eventually so ATT & Verizon can get to work on using the spectrum that will be freed but a couple of months isn't go to make much of a difference.
Because people that live in fringe areas maybe don't get a signal now because the digital transmitters is a lower part of the tower and is on lower power. Once the analog is shut off the digital transmitter can be raised and have their power boosted and people that are on the fringes and were getting the analog signal can now get the digital signal.

So people like you that are ready are actually getting a lesser signal than you would be because of laggards. trust me compare you signals now to when everyone is finaly on digital. You'll see a bost. You'll prbably see more channels too.

Check this out. It show what you get now and what you'll get after the trnasition

»www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapp···e4b321be.

right now you have 26 stations with a NM(dB) over 0.0 after the transition you'll get 29. You need a NM(dB) over 0.0 to get it in. So right now you're being screwed out of 3 channels for up to 4 months. Also while in both cases you ahve 14 station in the "green" zones. 4 of those 4 will have higher signal stength come the transition. For example WVTV goes from a NM(dB) of 45.8 to aNM(dB) of 62.3. That might matter for those in your area that live futher from the tower or have lots of trees or hills in their area. of course that can't happen until the analog shut off.
Lazlow

join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO

It also matters becuase it costs a lot of money to run that analog transmitter ($25K/month?). Someone will have to pick up the bill for that. When you finally trail it out, all of us are the ones who will have to pay for the extra money to keep analog up.

Tv stations are also on a budget. Most stations will probably have to lay off one person for every month they keep the analog running beyond what they had budgeted for. We do not need any more people without a job right now. I suspect that a lot of stations will be filing for early turnoff. Two of our local stations must have seen this coming, becuase they have already turned off their analog signal(couple of weeks ago).
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