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4 edits | Verizon weathering recession very well despite DSL losses
Verizon weathering recession very well despite DSL losses. Given that most companies are reporting seriously reduced earnings and profits, these numbers are outstanding. I guess people don't reduce communication use despite all their complaints about their cell phone costs and internet costs.
YEAR-END 2008 HIGHLIGHTS
* $2.26 in 2008 diluted EPS from continuing operations and $2.54 in adjusted EPS, compared with 2007 earnings of $1.90 per share and $2.36 per share, respectively. * $97.4 billion in 2008 revenues, up 4.2 percent, or adjusted growth of 5.1 percent. * $26.6 billion in cash flows from operating activities; $17.2 billion in capital expenditures. See all their financials here: »newscenter.verizon.com/press-rel···8web.xls
Their full year 2008 net income is up over 16% from their 2007 numbers. What recession??  And they started 2008 with $1.2 billion in cash on hand and ended it with $9.8 billion in cash on hand. I hope they don't expect any stimulus money form Uncle Sam.
They did show one negative stat in their Wall St presentation. The churn rate on wireless customers was up as the year progressed. So while they are getting new customers they are starting to see more wireless customers look elsewhere:

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If someone drops their Verizon DSL for FiOS I don't call that a "lost" customer. Me thinks Verizon needs new bean counters. |
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I have DSL, have had it for several years, and it's reliable. Verizon has been pestering me for the past few months to migrate to FIOS, as "DSL is not a long term solution." Told them for the price/speed difference, 7mb DSL is fine... |
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Another site shows DSL adds of 68K? I think they added customers. |
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1 edit | said by lcjawhit :Another site shows DSL adds of 68K? I think they added customers. This right from the Verizon press release: »newscenter.verizon.com/press-rel···ned.html
Total broadband connections were 8.7 million, a net increase of 214,000 over the third quarter 2008. This includes a decrease of 68,000 DSL-based Verizon High Speed Internet connections, which was more than offset by the increase in FiOS Internet customers. The 8.7 million is an increase of 8.2 percent year over year.
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From the link to their 4th quarter earnings report:
quote: By the end of 2008, Verizon's FiOS fiber-to-the-premises network passed 12.7 million premises throughout the company's wireline service territory -- greater than the company's target of 12 million by year-end 2008. Fiber-to-the-home now passes approximately 40 percent of the total households in Verizon's landline footprint.
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said by TKJunkMail :So while they are getting new customers they are starting to see more wireless customers look elsewhere: EDIT: Oops, that's VERIZON, not Verizon WIRELESS.  |
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said by birdfeedr :From the link to their 4th quarter earnings report: quote: By the end of 2008, Verizon's FiOS fiber-to-the-premises network passed 12.7 million premises throughout the company's wireline service territory -- greater than the company's target of 12 million by year-end 2008. Fiber-to-the-home now passes approximately 40 percent of the total households in Verizon's landline footprint.
This took about 5 years and almost 20 billion dollars, so that means total network overlay should be competed in another 8-10 years and be another 20-25 billion because Verizon left much of the hardest to upgrade lines for last. Though, I'm happy that more and more Comcast subscribers who have Verizon in their backyard laugh at their 250gb data cap and throttled docsis 3 modem offerings. |
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said by Matt :said by TKJunkMail :So while they are getting new customers they are starting to see more wireless customers look elsewhere: EDIT: Oops, that's VERIZON, not Verizon WIRELESS. The churn is Verizon Wireless as I said & NOT Verizon. Here is the FULL slide. Notice the Wireless at the top.

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Glad to hear Fios is doing well. Now if only they would bring it to areas outside of Verizon's footprint...
Wishful thinking, but these results fortunately demonstrate the Fios is a viable business model. Let's hope it holds up. |
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"...Verizon's fastest speed in many markets remains just 3Mbps, and customers in these areas have been defecting to cable."
I'd rather have Verizon's 3000/768 DSL which hits those speeds any time of day on any day of the week than have cable which ranges from fast in the morning to way too slow in the evening, especially at half the price. I guess "3 meg down" just doesn't sound sexy enough for some people.  |
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| reply to TKJunkMail Re: Verizon weathering recession very well despite DSL losses
said by TKJunkMail :said by Matt :said by TKJunkMail :So while they are getting new customers they are starting to see more wireless customers look elsewhere: EDIT: Oops, that's VERIZON, not Verizon WIRELESS. The churn is Verizon Wireless as I said & NOT Verizon. Here is the FULL slide. Notice the Wireless at the top. [att=1] $5 if you point out to me in your post where you said Verizon Wireless. |
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| reply to tmc8080 Re: 40% of their footprint
said by tmc8080 :said by birdfeedr :From the link to their 4th quarter earnings report: quote: By the end of 2008, Verizon's FiOS fiber-to-the-premises network passed 12.7 million premises throughout the company's wireline service territory -- greater than the company's target of 12 million by year-end 2008. Fiber-to-the-home now passes approximately 40 percent of the total households in Verizon's landline footprint.
This took about 5 years and almost 20 billion dollars, so that means total network overlay should be competed in another 8-10 years and be another 20-25 billion because Verizon left much of the hardest to upgrade lines for last. Though, I'm happy that more and more Comcast subscribers who have Verizon in their backyard laugh at their 250gb data cap and throttled docsis 3 modem offerings. I'm sorry but this just doesn't make sense. Why would you think that the last miles of fiber are any more difficult than the first miles? Verizon is still working on franchise agreements - the one they just got authorized in Philly will allow them to finally move into the city. Doesn't mean that Philly is any 'harder' to roll into than the surrounding suburbs.
Also, you can't just do a straight computation of cost like that. Production costs drop over time. The cost of fiber has dropped considerably over the last couple years. Implementation processes improve over time too - they're alot more proficient at installing service today than they were 2 - 3 years ago. Ditto for finding/rectifying problems, which will also help drive down cost.
Finally, much of the money already spent is on infrastructure type stuff - VHOs and COs and the like. Expanding through existing areas is MUCH cheaper than starting up a brand-new area. Much of the costs for projects like this are front-loaded. Growth over time becomes cheaper. And as their footprint grows, Verizon's bargaining power with TV channel providers will grow as well, giving them better leverage to negotiate better rates for things like TV channels, also driving down price. High tech product costs drop very quickly overall. That HD TV that I bought 20 months ago was $300 more expensive than the equivalent current model today. |
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| reply to Matt Re: Verizon weathering recession very well despite DSL losses
said by Matt :$5 if you point out to me in your post where you said Verizon Wireless. quote: The churn rate on wireless customers was up as the year progressed. So while they are getting new customers they are starting to see more wireless customers look elsewhere:
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by Matt :$5 if you point out to me in your post where you said Verizon Wireless. quote: The churn rate on wireless customers was up as the year progressed. So while they are getting new customers they are starting to see more wireless customers look elsewhere:
Eh, you still didn't say Verizon Wireless, but I did miss the wireless in your last paragraph. I call it a draw. 
I must have caught it subconsciously though, my pre-edited response was about how I switched from Verizon to save money. |
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| reply to meh37 Re: Cable: "I'm too sexy..."
I for sure will not be dropping my DSL line. I'm only running the 1Mbps/384kbps speed, and sure while I can go to the 3Mbps plan, I'm too far for 5Mbps but I'm awaiting FiOS the moment it comes here. My DSL has been reliable. It never disconnects, and there has only been one time which lasted for a half a day where my service was seeing degraded speeds and high pings. It was a CO issue. Other than that, I'm a gamer which means I'm online utilizing the line almost all the time and it is great. Honestly, I'd rather shell up a few dollars extra for a slower speed BUT have reliability packaged into that, which is what the DSL has done and cable hasn't in my area. |
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  NOCMan Verizon Fios User Premium join:2004-09-30 Flower Mound, TX | reply to TKJunkMail Re: Verizon weathering recession very well despite DSL losses
29 approved open development devices.
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| said by NOCMan :29 approved open development devices. Where are they? In this thread:
»Verizon's Open Development Initiative? So Far It's A Joke |
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| reply to TKJunkMail Despite great results Vz stock drops on 2009 fears & pension hit
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Verizon Communications Inc reported fewer-than-expected wireless subscribers for the fourth quarter and warned that pension and other post-retirement expenses would hurt earnings in 2009, dragging its shares down more than 5 percent.
Verizon said pension and other post-retirement expenses would hurt 2009 earnings by 9 cents to 11 cents per share, joining a growing number of companies being forced to fill funding gaps due to turmoil in financial markets.
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| Re: Despite great results Vz stock drops on 2009 fears & pension
said by TKJunkMail :Even good news doesn't result in higher stock prices in this economy. I think everyone is trying to release their bad news in the wake of yesterday's. It's a smart move that will lessen the blow. After all, at least they didn't announce that 20,000 positions would be eliminated! |
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