jc100
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NSA already doing it. Latest guy to speak out said government collecting all data, and using keywords. Instead of discarding irrelevant material, it was being archived. So why should this spook anyone. Big brother around the corner. We don't know what the government uses our information for. Obviously, it feels the need to make large databases about the lives of Americans (scary), They admittedly are spying on innocent people, soldiers, aid groups, etc. So we just have one more player. Might as well face it, our data is public information now and our lives are an open book. Don't say or do anything online or on the phone you don't want potentially haunting you in the future. Encrypt where you can, and realize, privacy is dead. So why sue here? We can't sue the government (Thanks Congress.. Morons). So what's this one solve? Throwing pebbles at a giant, and hoping to topple the problem, just don't work. |
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| said by jc100  :Throwing pebbles at a giant, and hoping to topple the problem, just don't work. A single pebble yes, but a million might work. Eventually, someone's pebble will hit the right spot. All around (and easy to implement) encryption might be the pebbles.
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TwoCpus4me
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NSA doesn't bombard me with advertisements and pops ups and flying windows or create web pages where its not safe to move your mouse anywhere for fear of your PC speakers cranking up to tell you the latest designer drug is available to prevent that 4-hour problem.
Personally, I'm glad they're (NSA) watching. There's a lot of crazy-a$$ people out there that might need a 2nd look. |
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| A) That's called Spyware. Not the ISP doing. All ISPS do is use redirects for mistyped URLS. Maybe understand the system before you type.
B) America has 16-22,000 Murders a year in this country. 128-176,000 Died in those 8 years by the hands of other Americans in same time period. 40,000 people die in Automobile accidents a year. 3000 Died in 911. By your logic, we should outlaw all deadly weapons (guns, knives, and anything harmful) and ban cars. Scary things in the world. Let the government make us all "safe" right?....Sure bud, I got a bridge to sell you if you still believe this terrorism crap as a means of Big Brother. |
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Great story karl,
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| No one is clean in this mess.
The ISPs had full knowledge of what was happening. They can play dumb all they want but once they accepted money from NebuAD, they became full participants. If they did not know what was going on, then all those involved should be fired from their positions for not doing their jobs.
Once you collect money from a company that wants access to your customer data, then you are most certainly a part of situation. |
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jc100
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Well without sounding pessimistic. Whats a million pebbles do when you are going to stop one entity, when the biggest problem still can get away with it? It's like putting a bandaid on a severed limb. It might stop a LITTLE BLEEDING, but you still going to hemorrhage to death. |
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Re: Well,
said by jc100 :America has 16-22,000 Murders a year in this country. 128-176,000 Died in those 8 years by the hands of other Americans in same time period. 40,000 people die in Automobile accidents a year. 3000 Died in 911. By your logic, we should outlaw all deadly weapons (guns, knives, and anything harmful) and ban cars. Scary things in the world. Let the government make us all "safe" right?....Sure bud, I got a bridge to sell you if you still believe this terrorism crap as a means of Big Brother. You never fail to crack me up. Most murders in this country are not premeditated, certainly not months/years in advance (so surveillance wouldnt be useful). Car crashes are not premeditated. Terrorist attacks ARE premeditated.
Only one of the above three can be stopped with careful use of intelligence, can your simple mind sort out which one it is?
(HINT) Its not the first two! 
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said by SLD :Do you realize that you have Hugh Laurie as your avatar? LOL No policy against self portraits I thought? 
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jc100
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EPIC FAIL. It's called logic wifi. Use it.
It's not the basis behind murders I am arguing, but the fact they occur. One can take the logic that since we allow deadly weapons (Guns, Knives, etc) in this country, that we facilitate the act of murder. Outlaw all deadly weapons and it won't happen. The same failed logic of spying on everyone and terrorism won't happen. It's a failed thought process absent of reason and logic.
Same for driving. Let's remove cars off the road and outlaw driving. We'll save 40,000 lives a year.
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@jc100
Ever hear of "The Green Hornet" also known as "SIGSALY" these ISPs & data thieves are not doing the NSA etc any favors at all!
The Germans didn't discover what the protocol was let alone decode it!
These DPI systems will just cause a lot of grief with Privacy & Severe Data Protection Problems before maybe in only one year two years at the most the protocols are enhanced to lock out the snooping!
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said by jc100 :It's not the basis behind murders I am arguing, but the fact they occur. Sure it is, thats exactly what you are arguing. I think you have even confused yourself this time! Let me explain why that statement is even dumber than your first. Terrorism doesnt just "occur", murder does. Car crashes also just "occur" by accident, nothing preventable about them. Terrorism on the other hand IS preventable by utilizing extensive intelligence gathering and a little vacation for those caught to club Gitmo'. This country has been safe for the past 8 years directly due to the work of our intelligence and military services, that is undeniable.
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jc100
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| No you fail again. You are arguing the fundamentals of murder. Murders can just occur or be planned. Mass murders such as school shootings are often planned. Car accidents usually are as the name says, a mistake. Still, one can prevent either from EVER HAPPENING.
- Outlaw Guns
- Outlaw Knives
- Outlaw anything deemed a weapon
Murder is lessened and decreases significantly
Outlaw Driving
- 40,000 Lives saved a year.
See, the government can play big brother and we can all live safe and sound in a paddy room?
As for Terrorism being stopped by gitmo. My magic rock stops terrorism. I do not know anyone who has been a victim of it. Matter of fact, I will sell you this rock. It wards of tigers too. I haven't seen a tiger in the U.S. before but I swear, this rock will keep you safe. Stupid logic ay? Same as above, you can take preventative measures, but there's a fine line between prevention and insanity. The government could outlaw ALL THINGS dangerous, OUTLAW DRIVING, and big brother the hell out of our lives. If thats the kind of repression you want, you should be living elsewhere. I on the other hand am a grown adult. I would rather look after my own affairs and not have the government do it.
If you for one minute believe NSA spying and Gitmo keeps us safe, you're naive. If anything, it serves as a rallying point for MORE TERRORISM. Look what happens when they capture you. Better to die, than end up in that joint. As per the loss leader of no attacks in 8 years. Terrorism happens every day in America right? Even before the NSA wiretapping. Damn, i can't flip on the news and recall not seeing a moments notice without it.
Then again
Timothy McVeigh
Unibomber
Abortion Clinic Bombers
Eco Terrorism
1970s Radical Bombings
Anthrax Mailers
None of those were Muslims bud. Guess locking people up based on a religion doesn't solve anything. Just makes those that still believes such a system works LOOK KIND OF NAIVE. |
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| said by jc100 :Blah Blah Blah Yawn, you still dont seem to get it. Sure, you can toss around the cliched rhetoric as much as you want, however it still doesnt quite add up. Preventing murder is impossible. Preventing car accidents is impossible. However, preventing terrorism IS largely possible! While nothing is ever 100%, by following the simple few steps this government can help keep this country secure.
1) Use every resource at hand to infiltrate terror cells and gather intelligence
2) Kill as many terrorist as possible
3) Waterboard the heck out of those we have captured to get information that will save American lives.
4) Coordinate and share intelligence with other 'like minded' countries in the world who also value the lives of their citizens
5) Wash, rinse, repeat until the vermin have been eradicated from the earth
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said by jc100 :None of those were Muslims bud. Guess locking people up based on a religion doesn't solve anything. I never once mentioned religion 'bud'. OOPS  |
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jc100
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No Preventing murder and car accidents is NOT IMPOSSIBLE. You don't read well, do you.
Outlaw Guns
Outlaw Knives
Outlaw anything that can be construed as a weapon
Murder might not be eliminated but it damn well will be decreased.
Outlaw Driving
No more 40,000 a yr fatalities in car wrecks.
Simple ay? As for terrorism. It didn't stop Timothy Mcveigh. It didnt stop the unibomber. It didnt stop Anthrax Mailer. You can use any type of FORCED / Coerced method you want. All studies show, people will say anything under such circumstances. I am sure if I was breaking the bones in your body, you'd tell me you were a skirt wearing cross dresser who molested kids on your spare time. Should I yield that information credible. You admitted to it under duress. But hey, you said it right.
Once again FAILED LOGIC and FAILED THINKING on your part. On your basis, we should use ALL MEANS POSSIBLE to be kept safe. As a retort, OUTLAW GUNS, WEAPONS, and CARS. Then you can prevent 50-60,000 deaths a year. If one cant drive. One cant die in a motor vehicle accident. If one does not have weapons, it sure becomes hard to shoot a school full of kids or go on a mass murdering spree with your fist.
How about it bud? Outlaw everything. It works right? On your basis, the government should be big brother. How about this one. You move to the MOST REPRESSIVE COUNTRY since you feel this way and tell me how safe you feel. I hear China, Russia, Iran have openings for new citizens. You after all want someone else to be your watch dog. So how about that first plane ride to renouncing your citizenship and proving us how living life under a repressive regime feels. They keep you safe, so you shouldn't mind the lack of freedoms.
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jc100
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We know what you are referring to. You said Gitmo. I don't see many Timothy McVeigh types there. American Terrorist have caused more acts on U.S. soil than foreigners. How about instead of a justice system, we just beat confessions out of people. Sure save tax payers a HELL OF A LOT OF MONEY if we just beat people into admitting things. Screw the courts. After all, Americans got locked up in Gitmo too. Why not just get forced confessions, throw away the key, and consider it a job well done. I say we start with you. How about a little torture to admitting a heinous crime so you can get locked away in jail for years and years? Sound good? |
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said by wifi4milez : 3) Waterboard the heck out of those we have captured to get information that will save American lives. Until you f**k up and grab someone who's completely innocent, and that person makes up some bogus info just to get the torture to stop. |
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said by jc100 : My magic rock stops terrorism. I do not know anyone who has been a victim of it. Matter of fact, I will sell you this rock. It wards of tigers too. I haven't seen a tiger in the U.S. before but I swear, this rock will keep you safe. Hey, that's my magic rock! I don't remember selling it to you! |
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