Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
 ·PenTeleData
 ·Future Nine Corpor..
·VOIPo
·Vonage
| No choice really
FiOS is always going to play an endless game of "one upmanship" with TWC, Comcast, Cox et al. So they have no choice. Competition is good!!!
I do hope other cable providers follow suit, and I also hope they go beyond just greenfield developments. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| unless someone can make a business case...
There's not going to be a BIG push for FTTH.
- Docsis 3 can be deployed w/o much upgrade on infrastructure
- switched digital can be implemented to save bandwidth
I do see FTTH... but not in the NEAR future for TWC.
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Canada = Hollywood North |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by en102  :There's not going to be a BIG push for FTTH. - Docsis 3 can be deployed w/o much upgrade on infrastructure - switched digital can be implemented to save bandwidth I do see FTTH... but not in the NEAR future for TWC. Yes Comcast has Docsis 3.0 with 35% coverage and still has a cap. yeah same thing a FiOS.  |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Sadly, most users don't care about caps. |
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Pizz
Hi
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY | They don't care about caps, is because they don't know what the hell it is. When they get a bill that's double what they're use to paying, because they decided to watch movies/tv online.. then they'll start caring. |
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maartena
Super Grover
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| "Explores"
"Explores" means nothing more then "We're testing it in a lab somewhere to see if it works", and it won't guarantee that your neighborhood is getting an upgrade any time soon.
As a matter of fact, where the telco wires are just for you alone from the closest DSLAM, and replacing it with fiber for you alone while your neighbor stays on dialup with his copper line, is possible and easy.
Cable runs like a "ring" around say 50 houses or something like that, so they would have to upgrade everyone to fiber. I don't believe a "per house" install like FIOS would be possible. And that means getting fiber to your home from TWC is very, very far away.
DOCSIS 3.0 seems to be the cheaper way to go for now.
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"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" |
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Vathral
Premium
join:2002-08-26
Kreplachista
clubs:
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| reply to Pizz
Re: unless someone can make a business case...
said by Pizz :They don't care about caps, is because they don't know what the hell it is. When they get a bill that's double what they're use to paying, because they decided to watch movies/tv online.. then they'll start caring. My upstairs neighbor downloads so much crap and visits MySpace, Youtube, Hulu, etc, it's not even funny. Most people don't know or care to know what a megabyte is. They'll definitely learn when they see that increase in their bill. |
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Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | What will the cap be?
250gb on a 10 / 10 link?
500gb on a 100 / 100 link?
unlimited for in Hawaii traffic only 100 - 200gb over sea cap?
They should use the room for more HD over faster speed what is the over sea link speed? |
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Corydon
Cultivant son jardin
Premium
join:2008-02-18
Denver, CO
clubs:
·Comcast
| reply to Eat Me
Re: unless someone can make a business case...
said by Eat Me :Sadly, most users don't care about caps. They will start to care about caps once they are affected by caps. Under the Comcast model (250 GB/month), that won't be for a while for the vast majority of people.
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"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." |
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NetAdmin
CCNA
join:2008-05-22
| reply to BF69
said by BF69 :Yes Comcast has Docsis 3.0 with 35% coverage and still has a cap. yeah same thing a FiOS. The caps might because on the 65% of the nodes that are still Docsis 1.1, they are seeing congestion issues.
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"This is a bus. You know how big a bus is?" |
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baineschile
2600
Premium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | reply to Eat Me
Re: No choice really
"Generally Less Expenise"
FIOS FTTh - $4000/customer
DOCSIS 3.0 Upgrade - $50 per customer.
Generally..... |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | What is the price difference on doing a complete install rather than just upgrading an area?
The D3 modems cost a lot more than $50 ea and the D3 CMTS are not free either. |
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heat84
join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL | AT&T is being left in the dust
OK, so is AT&T gonna wake up before everyone else leaves them behind? If U-Verse isn't FTTH when the restart deployment in a year, they might as well file for bankruptcy (or as for a bailout LOL). |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | reply to Lazlow
Re: No choice really
It's cheaper than laying last mile fiber. D3 modems are also cheaper than ONTs. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to NetAdmin
Re: unless someone can make a business case...
said by NetAdmin :said by BF69 :Yes Comcast has Docsis 3.0 with 35% coverage and still has a cap. yeah same thing a FiOS. The caps might because on the 65% of the nodes that are still Docsis 1.1, they are seeing congestion issues. they COULD potentially have issues. I seriously doubt they do. besides any proof that once Docsis 3.0 is 100% they'll stop with the caps? Nope. |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD | reply to Corydon
Let them watch to many videos on YouTube and we'll see what happens. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | reply to Eat Me
Re: No choice really
I have no doubt that is cheaper, but by how much? If it is only 30% cheaper then it would be more cost effective to go with fiber (again for fresh areas). |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to heat84
Re: AT&T is being left in the dust
At $4,000 per sub to deploy FTTH, maybe AT&T should just throw in the towel, and walk away from the business. FTTH will bankrupt them as surely as their current FTTN plans. Unless they ask for a government handout to underwrite the cost of deployment.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to heat84
said by heat84 :OK, so is AT&T gonna wake up before everyone else leaves them behind? If U-Verse isn't FTTH when the restart deployment in a year, they might as well file for bankruptcy (or as for a bailout LOL). Not everyone needs 100 Mbps conenctions. Frankly 18 Mbps means one can download 8 GB in a hour. Even a 2 hours 720p "HD" mvoies from XBL, PSN or Itunes runs about 6 GB. So that means you can watch it while its downloading. Even if they started coming out with 1080p version you could still do that. A typical SD movie download from XBL, PSN, Itunes or Amazon would take only 15 minutes if you wanted to wait until the entire thing downloaded. A song with a 256 kbps bitrate would download in 3-4 seconds at 18 Mbps |
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NetAdmin
CCNA
join:2008-05-22
| reply to BF69
Re: unless someone can make a business case...
said by BF69 :any proof that once Docsis 3.0 is 100% they'll stop with the caps? Nope. Let's not get the cart in front of the horse. As long as they have to deal with 1.1 in the network, the case for having cross the board caps is strong.
Do you have any proof that caps won't increase with once 3.0 is fully deployed? Nope.
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"This is a bus. You know how big a bus is?" |
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