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join:2006-09-04
Pflugerville, TX
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| Intrusive? Our box is on the corner not near anything so we are lucky. I wouldnt want that thing in my yard. I dont blame people for complaining. Now if AT and T wanted to
"pay" me for that box in my yard or offer discounted service for the use of my property, I would probably agree. That would a negotiated deal between me and the company to which I had some say in it. Not some thing shoved down my throat. I think thats what the point is. | |
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
| Re: Intrusive? said by Vtr_Racing  :
"pay" me for that box in my yard or offer discounted service for the use of my property, I would probably agree. That would a negotiated deal between me and the company to which I had some say in it. Not some thing shoved down my throat. I think thats what the point is.
The problem you have with your position is that YOU Joe Schome want to decide what goes in the RIGHT of WAY/EASEMENT. You don't get to make deals on what happens in the RIGHT OF WAY/EASEMENT.
So they may not like it shoved down their throats but, thats the way cookie crumbles for that area of "your" yard.
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ArgMeMatey
join:2001-08-09
Milwaukee, WI
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| said by Vtr_Racing :Now if AT and T wanted to "pay" me for that box in my yard or offer discounted service for the use of my property, I would probably agree. That would {be} a negotiated deal between me and the company {...} which I had some say in. Easement deals are comparatively "easy". When AT&T can't find a good place in the ROW, they will try to make an agreement with the owner of property near the crossbox. They want a one-time cash deal and will avoid property owners who want to wheel & deal, get free service in perpetuity, and so on. Of course that's easier for them.
They would pay a nominal $1 for the easement, which must be publicly recorded, and might make a separate private cash deal with the property owner, presumably so their costs are concealed. It would be nice to see their spreadsheet showing what they pay and how much they are willing to bargain!
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
| Re: Intrusive? said by ArgMeMatey :
They would pay a nominal $1 for the easement, which must be publicly recorded, and might make a separate private cash deal with the property owner, presumably so their costs are concealed. It would be nice to see their spreadsheet showing what they pay and how much they are willing to bargain!
Your going in a different direction than the original post is headed.
Your talking about a new ROW(Easement for the Easement Police) when there is not an existing one or no space in the existing one.
The OP is looking to go "Oh you want to put that in my yard, then I want $20,000 and free service at the highest tier, for life x2." For an EXISTING ROW/Easement.
You can not make that kind of deal, on an existing one, but you can try it when you negotiate a new one.
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ArgMeMatey
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Milwaukee, WI
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| Re: Intrusive? said by rec9140 :Your going in a different direction than the original post is headed. Your talking about a new ROW(Easement for the Easement Police) when there is not an existing one or no space in the existing one. The OP is looking to go "Oh you want to put that in my yard, then I want $20,000 and free service at the highest tier, for life x2." For an EXISTING ROW/Easement. You can not make that kind of deal, on an existing one, but you can try it when you negotiate a new one. I won't presume to speak for the OP, but I understood the OP's statement as hypothetical, nothing more. I agree that many people do not understand that a part of their lawn between their house and the street is on the ROW and may be used for other public or common purposes besides just lawn. Right-of-way is not the same as an easement, however. I think somebody already pointed that out. I was referring solely to easement agreements, and not stuff that is put in the ROW.
My point was that in cases where AT&T cannot use existing ROW for VRADs, they make it hard for property owners to figure out what is a reasonable amount to seek for a new utility easement.
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SlyLoK
join:2007-10-19
Sugar Grove, VA | My porch is available.. Hey ATT... You can put one of those on my front porch for all I care. | |
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bender
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join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL
clubs: | Re: I call them BORG Boxes yea they are infrastructure. i'm curious what they do when they eventually sell FTTH. all i see with them is lost capital. | |
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join:2008-06-16
Severna Park, MD
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| Re: I call them BORG Boxes They use VRADs for FTTN and FTTH deployments.
The difference is, FTTH VRADs can be anywhere in the community, since there is no distance limitation with fiber. In areas that use FTTN, VDSL has a distance limitation so there are more VRADs seen in the community.
In FTTH deployments, AT&T could place the VRAD at the entrance of the neighborhood or on a utility lot that holds a power substation or other utility. | |
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bender
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join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL
clubs: | Re: I call them BORG Boxes ah. so what your saying is that they could, with relative ease, transition from vdsl to fiber with the same vrads? | |
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| dave
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join:2000-05-04
not in ohio | Yup, like a telephone pole - damn ugly and unnecessary.
My street doesn't have any poles. Which is good, because (news flash) we sometimes get freezing rain or heavy snow in New England in the winter, and that takes out overhead cables. | |
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adf54hkj
@rr.com | property rights It should be entirely up to the individual property owner. They try and put one of those things on my land and Ill be renting a backhoe that afternoon. | |
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RRMAN
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join:2007-04-02
Cleveland, OH | Re: property rights And shortly after you will be renting a lawyer to get you out of jail. It is called right of way. And you have none in this case. | |
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batterup
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| said by adf54hkj :
It should be entirely up to the individual property owner. They try and put one of those things on my land and Ill be renting a backhoe that afternoon.
Get a clue, they can not be placed on private property they are placed in a right-of-way. | |
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not in ohio | You might want to read your deed first. Look for the word 'easement'. | |
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batterup
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Netcong, NJ
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| Re: property rights said by dave :You might want to read your deed first. Look for the word 'easement'. Someone sold the rights to use the property and someone paid so it is no longer totally private. Think of a landlord saying a paying tenant can't use the property he is renting.
A utility can not just use private property with out compensation. | |
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not in ohio | Re: property rights I can assure you I entirely own my driveway. I can also assure you that the local power company can dig up the end of my driveway if they need to (they have to put it back afterwards).
There is no such concept as not-quite-private property. | |
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batterup
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| Re: property rights said by dave :I can assure you I entirely own my driveway. I can also assure you that the local power company can dig up the end of my driveway if they need to (they have to put it back afterwards). There is no such concept as not-quite-private property. My driveway goes to the road; the town owns five feet of my driveway. Look at the plats.
Private property can not be taken without a sham court hearing and compensation. | |
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jkeelsnc
join:2008-08-22
Boone, NC
| VRAD's I have seen where these VRAD's are being setup in NC. In fact, I have seen them being setup around cross boxes in the Asheville area as AT&T prepares to release U-verse there soon. Really, I don't see what the big deal is all about. If there is already one large box there for phone whats the deal in having another one. Its not like its making more of an eyesore. One example I noticed actually had two boxes on the pad and a new pad poured for the VRAD.
Generally, I lean torward "the left" on a great many things. But on this one I think people need to shut up and let technology roll on. Do you want to be stuck with standard DSL or worse dialup for the next 20 years? I didn't think so.
Another factor to consider for the Asheville case is that AT&T can actually provide an alternative to the cable company in the area which is Charter. We all know what charter's reputation is and with AT&T offering some competition both on internet and TV should help things at the cable company or at least provide an alternative. | |
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antonine
join:2004-08-18
Indianapolis, IN | What's the gripe? What's the gripe? At least here in Indy, the VRAD is put up next to an existing cross connect box, so it's not like some virgin ground has been wrecked by the VRAD install. | |
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
·Verizon FIOS
| What?? Please, the pole anchors are more an eyesore than these boxes. And that one picture (With man posing next to it) looks like some crappy fence and ugly shed colors would lower a property value than knowing you have Hispeed internets in your neighborhood (in..your nay..bur hood! Sing it with me!)
Ask for some shrubs. There ya go! Purteee!
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