me1212
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| If it slowing why do we need caps?
My guess is their network cannot handle 25-60+m down unlimited for ever and so instead of doing the smart thing and expanding/adding to their system so the CAN handle it they choose to put caps in. I know that expanding would cost a more than caps, but thats just in the here and now in 10yrs it could cost them, they may not have as many people sing up as they would have in the expanded, and it would have given them more money than not expanding r what ever you want to all it would have saved them.
As for government money NO NO NO NO! If they want MY money they HAVE to EARN it, not take it from me and pocket then give me nothing in return, on the other hand if it would mean no caps I would not mind giving them some. |
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| ExaWarming
I'm concerned that massive network congestion will create an enormous amount of heat dissipation from overstressed electronics, contributing to global warming.
How ironic would it be if the cause of global warming is actually the result of something invented by Al Gore? Now I understand his obsession with global warming, it's a guilt-driven crusade.  |
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|  Moderate growth is still growth
As users demand more bytes, the ISPs costs increase. Even if the rate isn't as fast as it was in the past, it's still rising. Now that broadband penetration has plateaued, ISP revenue is flat, but costs are increasing. Looking at that graph will make any MBA nervous. |
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Re: If it slowing why do we need caps?
said by me1212  : I know that expanding would cost a more than caps, but thats just in the here and now in 10yrs it could cost them, they may not have as many people sing up as they would have in the expanded, and it would have given them more money than not expanding r what ever you want to all it would have saved them. Unfortunately, the here and now has limited ability to fund capital expenditures due to the economic recession which is expected to last this year and probably the next as well. So expansion now is very unlikely.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | And not only slowing but...
...prices ar egoing DOWN all across the industry, especially wholesale bandwidth prices so there you go, another reason why whining-lying ISPs actually making MORE money even if they don't raise prices (which they do.) |
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| said by kamm :...prices ar egoing DOWN all across the industry, especially wholesale bandwidth... prices aren't going down so fast that you can upgrade your old OC-3 to an OC-12 for no increase in cost. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
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Re: If it slowing why do we need caps?
I know just sayin'. However IF the cap was 300gb+ and no throttle(or one that ONLY slowed the speed, not messed with QoS, ya know for VoIP) I would be ok with that much, how ever if I could get a no cap for an ok speed I would that that one. I just hope there will always be a no cap ISP other than T1, unless the cost goes dwon to like $220 or less. |
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»www.cioupdate.com/trends/article···2007.htm
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Internet Capacity Woes: Reaching the limits of cyberspace
The unrelenting growth in Internet traffic in 2007 may overwhelm the Internet's backbone; the terabit-cable pipes connecting continents will reach capacity and ISPs will not be prepared to pay for extra bandwidth because consumers will be unwilling to pay increased costs.
The threat to available capacity will be driven by the number of Internet users continuing to grow, and the exponential increase in the transmission of video files. This threat could raise questions about the long-term commercial viability of broadband provision, unless a satisfactory solution can be found to the issues of monetizing the growing usage to fund future growth, without disenfranchising customers.
While this is probably not going to come to a head in 2007, these issues loom on the horizon because the investment in core infrastructure is not keeping pace with the usage and demand, said Openshaw. The growth in demand for video delivered over the Internet in particular, one of Deloitte's other predictions, as well as IPTV, will be a major contributor to excess capacity being absorbed.
"At the rate of growth of consumption at some point in time in the not too distant future, maybe it's not this year, but it's not in the too distant future, the excess capacity is gone," said Openshaw. "So somebody's got to step up and decide who is going to make the investments and who is going to pay for them."
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Re: ExaWarming
Don't give AlGore any ideas. Don't worry I will not post any more picture of AlGore, at least not as a member of the Red Guard. but I do feel great that I have been given the title of an offical Troll master  Life is so sweet.
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Pizz
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Re: If it slowing why do we need caps?
Caps are put into place, to keep costs down on the network/plant side. It's also used to protect a company's revenue. I.E. Video On Demand, Movies Streams, Watching TV on your PC. That's why companies (Mainly MSOs) use this model, because they've decided no way in hell, you're going to view free stuff and use our bandwidth (that you've help fund).
It's sad in this day and age, we're using a 90's business model now of limiting what you can do with your connection. Least in Japan they cap your upload to 500gb or 1TB a month for their fiber to the home connections. But on the download side, go at it.
When we can start making this companies actually provide, instead of milking us and the gov't with handouts. We'll just be paying more for less.
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
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1 edit | Do you mean less speed or more caps? and I know thats why they are doing it hulu and netflix are hurting their pocket book. What IS MSO?
"because they've decided no way in hell, you're going to view free stuff and use our bandwidth (that you've help fund)."
Yeah if they see even $0.001 of their money go away because of the IPTV they get ticked, but there not much we can do about that right now. Thats why I like DSLs like Embarq no caps, less speed, but after a certain speed I could care less.
Japan has it better they have 500gb-1tb caps and I think I read like 1gb internet.
Hopefuly in the NEAR future we can make the ISP say up fromt that have a cap, like on their main page. |
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join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA
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4 edits | Here's the bottom line:
North American consumers pay the highest prices per GB for Internet service of ANY first world country! What does this truly mean?
It means that North America's ISPs make the highest profts of ANY first world country!
BUT that obscene profit margin isn't enough for them!
THEY WANT MORE!
So, they create this FAKE bandwidth crisis...and use it as a reason to raise prices by implimenting caps and then REALLY overcharging for additional bandwidth ($1.50 per GB that costs THEM about a dime!)!
The same thing is happening to gas prices now. Have you noticed that gas prices are up about 80 cents a gallon over last fall?
Yet, crude oil prices have remained steady at about 40 dollars a barrel!
What's happening is that the oil compaines have cut refinery capacity to CREATE a FAKE shortage!
By doing so, they make MORE money for LESS oil sold!
The USA is a BIG RIPOFF..and until the American consumer finally says: NO MORE RIPOFFS! it will continue to be so! |
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Pizz
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Re: If it slowing why do we need caps?
MSO is a Multiple System Operator, which means. They operate their cable companies in many areas. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi_system_operator
There will never do less speed, because they're banking on customers will be attracted by the huge speed, but not tell you it's all dependent on your local area.
If the MSOs would just bring their speeds back down to where their local plants, network can handle.. We'll be alright.
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said by me1212 :What IS MSO? MSO = Multi System Operator. It means Comcast is really a group of separate operating cable systems controlled under a corporate umbrella. That is why it often happens that there is not one list of stations carried by "Comcast". Each operating company actually makes decisions and contract deals separate from the corporate parent.
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me1212
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Pleasant Hill, MO | reply to qworster
Re: Here's the bottom line:
Hopefuly with this mess we are in more people will go t oIPTV only and go WAY over their cap and get mad and then there will be a big market for no cap ISPs. I can dream can't I? |
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said by qworster :BUT that obscene profit margin isn't enough for them! The margins are barely enough to attract investments. They can hardly be called obscene. That is a charge laid on by those who have no understanding of finance and how a business has to compete for funds to expand and maintain their business.
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
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| reply to Pizz
Re: If it slowing why do we need caps?
Thanks guys.
"If the MSOs would just bring their speeds back down to where their local plants, network can handle.. We'll be alright."
they won't do that for a while, then they would not be able to put caps on, if I understand what you are saying. But if thats what has to be done to remove the caps, or at least get them 500gb-1tb That would be ok. If I had CC or *insert cableco here* 500g would be enough for me to feel safe, 1t even better.. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
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Re: from 2007
Oops my @ss.
first of all, that link is to a 2006 article giving predictions for 2007.
second, from the Ars article:
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According to the CBC, "The figures from seven ISPs also reveal that annual growth in total traffic volume declined for two consecutive years from 2005-06 to 2007-08 for five of the seven ISPs, in one case dropping from 66 percent growth in 2005-06 to 21 percent growth in 2007-08."
actual data from the ISPs themselves shows the rate of growth slowing, in some cases significantly, for a majority of them. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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| reply to me1212
Re: If it slowing why do we need caps?
"We" don't need caps at all; neither do the ISPs.
The ISPs badly want caps (and throttling and deep packet inspection), but not because of bandwidth issues.
This quote from the article pretty much nails it:
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SaveOurNet.ca, which wants to see network management rules imposed on ISPs, seized on the data. "If traffic growth is slowing, then it is hard to imagine why the ISPs need to suddenly selectively throttle Internet traffic," said co-founder Steve Anderson. "The fact that ISPs are slowing access to Internet technologies that compete with their own services seems like more than just a coincidence."
The ISPs want ways to control bandwidth, either to prevent video competition with their own offerings or to further monetize their network without adding further value. |
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qworster
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4 edits | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Here's the bottom line:
said by TKJunkMail :said by qworster :BUT that obscene profit margin isn't enough for them! The margins are barely enough to attract investments. They can hardly be called obscene. That is a charge laid on by those who have no understanding of finance and how a business has to compete for funds to expand and maintain their business. I RAN a business for many years! I KNOW all about profit margins, finance and investment! The reason that they can't attract investments with revenues of almost 114 dollars per subscriber (see above) is because of the VULTURE CAPITALISTS' GREED! They want to make obscene profits too-for producing NOTHING! The whole finance system and it's obscene GREED is the reason WHY the world is in such deep SH*T right now! AND..they STILL don't 'get it'. They make poor decisions, take taxpayers' money in bailouts by the billion$ and then thumb their noses at the rest of us by giving themselves BILLIONS of dollars in bonuses! They have 5 day Super Bowl parties and junkets to resorts in the Bahamas. They fly to from Detroit to Washington D.C. in THREE CORPORATE JETS to BEG for taxpayer money!
They have the attitude that they are ENTITLED to their obscene profits and lavish lifestyles for doing NOTHING!
And..they believe that the rest of us should bail them out and give them back their entitled style of living after they squandered it in their quest for even MORE greed! Well, guess what? They aren't! The gravy train is OVER!
Not to mention that Internet profits are almost 100% GRAVY! Internet runs over (the) coax and fiber ALREADY IN PLACE for cable TV and (the) copper pairs ALREADY IN PLACE in the case of DSL! |
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