matrix3D
join:2006-09-27
Deep River, CT | What about private wifi?
So does somebody who is running a private, secure wifi network inside their home considered a "residential hotspot owner?" I think this absolute B.S. if that's the case. |
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tad2020
join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA | Uhhh.....
>the bills also require all hotspot owners (business or residential) to retain their Wi-Fi logs for just as long
How? It's not like every consumer router out there keeps any sort of access log, and if they do it's very limited. |
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MIRV
join:2000-12-01
Louisville, KY | I also want to crap rainbows
Good luck with that.... |
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neufuse
join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA | uh huh
so small wi-fi "hotspots" now have to buy expensive cisco equipment just to do this? most of them around here have small linksys type routers that don't log much of anything |
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touchtone561
join:2007-12-10
Lake Worth, FL
 ·AT&T Southeast
| How would they enforce this ?
Sounds like the Big Bother wants a legal remote login to confirm and extract data from wireless routers.
Either that or the Bill sponsers have stocks in very small hard drive manufactures. (you know to be put in said wireless hotspot devices)  |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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3 edits | reply to matrix3D
Re: What about private wifi?
said by matrix3D  :So does somebody who is running a private, secure wifi network inside their home considered a "residential hotspot owner?" I think this absolute B.S. if that's the case. That isn't the intent of the bill - to have private residences keep logs. That is a gross distortion(and interpretation) of the proposed law trotted out by those opposed to it to try and drum up support to defeat it by scaring the avg citizen.
And besides, the 2 bills introduced by Republicans(1 in Senate & 1 in the House) have NO co-sponsors, are buried in Committees controlled by Democrats, and have virtually no chance of coming out of Committee unless re-written by Democrats.
This is just the privacy lobbyists crying wolf to rev up their supporters for battles yet to come.
Rep Lamar Smith has his say:
»www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent···a16.html
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tad2020
join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA | reply to neufuse
Re: uh huh
Not only that but also a server to store logs and backup system too (cause if the HD cashes, it might be considered "destruction of evidence") |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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| reply to neufuse
said by neufuse :so small wi-fi "hotspots" now have to buy expensive cisco equipment just to do this? most of them around here have small linksys type routers that don't log much of anything Although I hate this new bill and think it is unreasonable, you would only require an old PC and pfSense or similar, not expensive cisco equipment.
Good luck getting people to do that though... |
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Visage
@ccarnes.com
| Now is the time....
Now is the time to start a Syslog service! All of you who have wireless setup in your home is reqired to pay me $15 per month to store your logs for the term of 2 years +1 month. If you sign up within the next 7 days I'll give you a month free!
Seriously, wtf? |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: What about private wifi?
The letter of the law needs to be fixed then. As it is now, private citizens will have to keep logs on their routers. |
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SlickEnW
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join:2003-01-21
Seattle, WA
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| Ahh yes
Once again big government has decided that its in the best interest of the children for everyone to keep logs on who does what, even on their own network.
Will this undo the damage already done to a minor? Nope.
Will this prevent a baddie from plugging in via ethernet? Nope.
Will this be more of a burden on the ISPs and free wifi hotspot providers than it will prove helpful for whoever wants the data? Yup.
Good job. Uncle Sam will be around tommorow to install security cameras in all of your children's rooms. You know, to make sure they are safe and whatnot. |
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tad2020
join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA
1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: What about private wifi?
So every Mom & Pop Coffee Shop out there that provides free wi-fi is going to have to re-invest in new equipment that costs likely 100 times their current setup? |
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TKJunkMail
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3 edits | reply to Eat Me
said by Eat Me :The letter of the law needs to be fixed then. As it is now, private citizens will have to keep logs on their routers. It isn't a law yet or probably ever. It isn't even out of committee, where it is likely to die. And it doesn't have any co-sponsors either. And plenty of time to clear up any vague terms if it has a chance of going anywhere.
»thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z···s.00436:
»thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z···r.01076:
Law being amended to retain data for 2 yrs:
»www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/u···00-.html
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jmn1207
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join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
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| SAFETY?
"Stopping Adults Facilitating the Exploitation of Today's Youth"
Interesting to note that the exploitation of today's youth is the precise marketing strategy of many successful legitimate businesses.
Who would dare to vote against this bill? It would be a political disaster. The ignorant constituents, of which I include myself on many issues, will not understand or even care about the technical feasibility of implementing such a measure. On the other hand, it will be extremely difficult to enforce.
In the end, it will just be another "pat-myself-on-the-back" law with little or no actual merit. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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Re: Uhhh.....
Its not difficult to do.
Even my 'old' Netgear WGT 624 has a logging function and email log ability.
There are a few issues with what they are proposing.
1. Who's going to pay for it (i.e. consumer in the end)
2. Who's going to enforce it
3. Privacy / security / integrity issues with retention and storage of data (I'm sure that larger corps like AT&T / T-Mobile already have this stuff in place and run this - doubtful on mom/pop hotspots)
4. Security in transmission of data (currently old routers like mine send over email - not wise).
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guhuna
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join:2001-03-31
Brentwood, CA | reply to MIRV
Re: I also want to crap rainbows
Hey that's easy! Just eat some Trix and you'll be set.
(not that I'd know or anything) |
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| reply to tad2020
Re: What about private wifi?
said by tad2020 :So every Mom & Pop Coffee Shop out there that provides free wi-fi is going to have to re-invest in new equipment that costs likely 100 times their current setup? No, mom and pop shops will stop free WiFi. Chains like Starbucks will comply.
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vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA | Bingo. I'm sure you must be outraged. |
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jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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·ViaTalk
| Syslog
Not really a huge deal, set up syslog and you're done.
What on earth are they going to match other than a time stamp and a MAC address (unless the laptop owner is dumb enough to put their full name in the machine name field?
DELL-02010203 is going to be served with lots of search warrants, if only they can find him. |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | reply to tad2020
Re: What about private wifi?
Hey that would be an economic boost for the IT sector.  |
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