BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | 20 Mbps available everywhere
as of yesterday |
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shortyd999
join:2008-10-21
Birmingham, AL | I verified that last night as well |
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webjock1
join:2009-02-24
Fort Worth, TX
| Not Buying It
I speak firsthand as a former cable engineer about this.
What a desperate and pathetic attempt to lure customers away from FiOS! 20Mbps may be a reality in Charter's head ends but not in your home. Account for download caps and existing distribution plant that's a generation old or older and coaxial loss to the home for starters. For the challenge of delivering 10Mbps already, what good would doubling the bandwidth do anyway except that it looks good in advertising.
Face it guys, the glory days of analog are over.
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
 ·PenTeleData
 ·Future Nine Corpor..
·VOIPo
·Vonage
| While I don't doubt your expertise, a lot of us have cable connections at 30Mbps or higher and they seem to be just fine.
My 30 meg connection is close enough to 30 meg for me to be satisfied with it.
Sure, I'd love to have 20/20 or even 20/5 FiOS, but I can get 28/1.9 cable with consistent throughput and has consistent ping times.
Also, I thought that DOCSIS was digital, not analog.
What am I missing? |
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webjock1
join:2009-02-24
Fort Worth, TX
| DOCSIS is digital, true. The analog reference is in regards to the era of initial distribution system construction which asserts the limitation. Other than complete system reconstruction and dependence on a fiber transportation back-bone there's not much more to play with.
Kudos to your exceptional connection. Let's hope that remains.
I'm curious are you within a major population density area? |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | I'm located in semi-rural Sussex County, NJ. We are about 50 miles from NYC.
We aren't a really rural "out in the sticks" area but we are not suburbs. We have 5 acre zoning, for example. |
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jadebangle
Premium
join:2007-05-22
Olathe, KS
·SureWest Internet
·AT&T Yahoo
 ·Comcast
| reply to webjock1
I wonder how fast can you download if the upload are so small like 100/1
10mbps?
something advertise as 100mbps and having 1mbps upload is very shady
This is how cable get away with giving you next to nothing onthe upload side
Majority of us believe that we just leech and someone with super fast upload will magically appear out of thin air to fill their download pipe to the max  |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | With 30/2 I can download at 30 with no problems.
I would like more upload but I don't mind the download. |
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by4me
join:2009-02-24 | reply to webjock1
cool got it |
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zed260
join:2007-09-30
Cleveland, TN
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to webjock1
coax can compete with fiber
if you push coax to its limits it can support quite a bit a 3 gigherts plant combined with switch digital video and mpeg4 and docsis 3 could easely support
100 megabit internet upload and download both
and support around 1000 hd channels plus have a lot more bandwidth left to use |
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benc
Premium
join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL
·Charter Pipeline
·Future Nine Corpor..
·Callcentric
·AT&T Midwest
1 edit | Isn't 20Mbps pointless for now?
The caps, I see have a bigger potential to be an issue.
I have 10/1 CBN (Charter Business), and find that in most cases, I can't download from a single site at the full 10Mbit. I could do multiple downloads at the same time, but I don't normally do that.
As for the caps, you only have to subscribe to the 16Mbit plan to get the bigger caps (assuming you use Residential like most folks). Sure, the theoretical download speed limit will be slower, but from what I described earlier I don't see that as being a problem most of the time.
»Charter Confirms New Caps
That link shows how the caps will stack up with regards to the speed tiers. |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to zed260
Re: Not Buying It
Correction: Coax neighborhood distribution can compete with fiber, for now. Without fiber feeds to the neighborhoods, however, cable would still be stuck in the 80's. At some point the limitations of analog RF distribution (which is what "digital cable" rides on) will become unmanageable and the entire plant will have to be converted to true wideband operation without having it carved into 6 MHz channels. 3 GHz over coax is not trivial and unlikely. 100 megabit upload at the customer is a pipe dream without fiber. |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to benc
Re: Isn't 20Mbps pointless for now?
Most sites limit the throughput of individual connections, which is something the speed hucksters don't tell you in the come-on. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | Increased Presence?
I am not sure if I would consider going from 10+ charter employees covering the forum over a wide spectrum of hours, to three employees (two of which seldom post after 5pm) an increased presence. |
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lovswr
join:2001-09-15
Stockbridge, GA | Still 10
Just checked, 30281 Stockbridge GA. Highest offered was 10Mbps which is 39.99/month for the first 6 months.
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lovswr = good hivswr = bad |
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jadebangle
Premium
join:2007-05-22
Olathe, KS
·SureWest Internet
·AT&T Yahoo
·Comcast
| reply to Eat Me
Re: Not Buying It
said by Eat Me  :With 30/2 I can download at 30 with no problems. I would like more upload but I don't mind the download. if they give you more, it will bring their network down. will be crawling like a snail... it would bring their entire network to their feet... so its not their priority to have fast upload but to have faster download only. to hide the fact that their is limited upload capacity.
Like more user they love to brag about how much they can download while completely ignoring how fast they can upload
even 100/2 will put a smile on most user... including you 
why symmetric not possible? its shared
you and many other user are on 30/30 pipeline
at least 10 people are sharing 30/30, so it isn't obvious until most of you use it at same time then you see a drastic fluctuation... aint that the beauty of shared network? enjoy sharing bandwidth with many others in your neighborhood. |
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to webjock1
said by webjock1 :I speak firsthand as a former cable engineer about this. What a desperate and pathetic attempt to lure customers away from FiOS! 20Mbps may be a reality in Charter's head ends but not in your home. Account for download caps and existing distribution plant that's a generation old or older and coaxial loss to the home for starters. For the challenge of delivering 10Mbps already, what good would doubling the bandwidth do anyway except that it looks good in advertising. Face it guys, the glory days of analog are over. You do know this is about Charter? Charter is not competing with FIOS. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to RadioDoc
Re: Isn't 20Mbps pointless for now?
said by RadioDoc :Most sites limit the throughput of individual connections, which is something the speed hucksters don't tell you in the come-on. Not all sites. At any point if you have multiple internet connected devices in your home it's not so much about being able to download at 20 Mbps. It's about not having to do it at 1 Mbps because you have 5-6 devices all going at the same time. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to lovswr
Re: Still 10
said by lovswr :Just checked, 30281 Stockbridge GA. Highest offered was 10Mbps which is 39.99/month for the first 6 months. website is never right. You have to ask. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to webjock1
Re: Not Buying It
said by webjock1 :I speak firsthand as a former cable engineer about this. What a desperate and pathetic attempt to lure customers away from FiOS! 20Mbps may be a reality in Charter's head ends but not in your home. how am I getting 20 Mbps then? |
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