RadioDoc
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 ·AT&T Midwest
| A leaky boat in high seas...
Right now it looks like Clearwire will get a couple more markets lit and then flail around hoping Intel or another sucker bails them out (again). They just don't have the resources to pull it off, and he fact that their target market is vague isn't helping any. |
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funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Skype
| It's a shame, too
It's here, it works. What is this LTE stuff and where can I get it today? No thanks. WiMax is here, it works, even at 60 MPH, it works.
Yesterday, on Clear's WiMax, I was watching the Today Show podcast from msnbc.com when I paused it to then watch the Madoff segment of 60-minutes from cbsnews.com. Stuff like that tends to bring Verizon EDVO to its knees. I couldn't even surf on AT&T's 3G HSPDEFG when I tried it.
Intel is a great company (disclosure: former employer) who does have a tendency to exit businesses when its future starts to looks bleak. But even in these hard times, Clear is where Intel is. It must see a future.
Of course you could do a side-by-side comparison -- except you can't, since LTE is vaporware here.
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mobbo
join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Yup. It works. Our company is using it for our construction trailers at 3 sites now, and it's just like having DSL/Cable but without the hassle of a line being run to those temp sites.
I will say though that they really need to start rolling out more markets ASAP! We're only using them here while it's being tested. |
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | reply to funchords
WiMax is vaporware everywhere except, it seems, where you are. The so-called deployment here in Chicagoland is MIA. Careful where you point that hyperbole. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| said by RadioDoc  :WiMax is vaporware everywhere except, it seems, where you are. The so-called deployment here in Chicagoland is MIA. Careful where you point that hyperbole. MOBILE WiMax is, Clearwire has offered pre-WiMAX for several years in lots of places. »www.clearwire.com/store/service_areas.php |
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ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| reply to RadioDoc
Funny how they are nowhere but they have a vocal following here on BBR. Everytime theres an article about WIMAX. People come out of the woodworks calling LTE vaporware 
This is why I'm on HSPDA 3G. Because there is service. |
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Matt
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Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| said by ninjatutle :Funny how they are nowhere but they have a vocal following here on BBR. Everytime theres an article about WIMAX. People come out of the woodworks calling LTE vaporware This is why I'm on HSPDA 3G. Because there is service. WiMAX as a technology is superior in every way to HSDPA 3G and EVDO Rev A. I think that's why there is a vocal following. If I had a choice between Mobile WiMax or any other currently offered service, I'd take mobile WiMax. That may change when LTE arrives, but that has yet to be seen.
The only thing, as you mentioned, that EVDO and HSDPA have going for them is deployment. However, how long did it take to get deployed to the level it is now? 10 years? How long as Mobile WiMax been around, 1 year -- in a crappy economy.
Regardless, having WiMax as competition is a good thing, no matter what you think of the technology or the company behind it. Or would you prefer to have two choices for mobile broadband, AT&T and Verizon? They've totally proven they are competitive haven't they? |
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ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | WiiMAX is a glorified WIFI network while LTE is 4G. Thats the difference. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
|  said by ninjatutle :WiiMAX is a glorified WIFI network while LTE is 4G. Thats the difference. Thanks for that factual comparison. I'm sure you answered a lot of doubts people had about the two. Kudos! |
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funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
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| reply to ninjatutle
said by ninjatutle :WiiMAX is a glorified WIFI network while LTE is 4G. Thats the difference. Wow. Given this technical assessment, you have a bright future career in a broadband marketing department.
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pnh102
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | First Problem Clearwire Needs To Solve ...
Who? |
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DaveNJ
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join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
1 edit | Sprint buying Clearwire, was like Trapper Keeper eating Rosi Odonnel. Its just made it sick and weak. Sprint still hasnt figured out how resell itself as an LTE, transition carrier, to both ATT and Verizon. But go boldly to nowhere. |
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DaveNJ
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join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
 ·Comcast
·Patriot Media
| reply to funchords
Re: It's a shame, too
Well that fact is that LTE will be an international standard, does help. Also HSDPA, HSPA, UMTS is part of the upgrade path to LTE. So you could say Wimax and LTE are at concurrent growth since Wimax is still beta, and LTE is still UMTS, and hasnt moved to LTE fully yet.. |
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MooJohn
join:2005-12-18
Milledgeville, GA
·Windstream
| Second verse, same as the first
Since this same story pops up every week, I'd like clarification on a couple of points.
1) What stock hasn't dropped a great deal in the last three months? With today's stock market it's certain that any company will have trouble raising capital. You could say the same about the rest of the tech industry -- it just wouldn't be as sensational.
2) Why is it assumed that they're "struggling" to deploy in other cities? It's stated as if they're running into some sort of delay from their original schedule. I haven't seen any release where Clearwire has said X city was to be live now but has been delayed.
When I said "the same story" appears, I meant it literally. I think the third paragraph was cut and pasted from last week's buzz on the same topic.
We get it: WiMax is rolling out slowly. LTE (which isn't anywhere ) is somehow the "right" way to go and any other format is doomed to failure.
BTW - There's been no delay announced for Clearwire's deployment here in Milledgeville, GA (muni-wi project). Sure it's a small town that won't change anything in the big picture but we'll be enjoying 4G while LTE "struggles" to hit the market.
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
·Comcast
| LTE Vaporware
I had Clear knocking on my door and accosting me at Best Buy. Why are they losing to something that is not even deployed yet.
My suggestion is the following stop competing on speed, face it Comcast and Verizon got you beat. Lower prices and go with value. The reason I did not go with clear wire was I could not justify paying $41.00 for 6Mbps when I am getting 12Mbps from Comcast for about the same prince. |
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funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC | reply to DaveNJ
Re: It's a shame, too
Educate me, because I don't know, is WiMax not a standard? What is this pre-Wimax stuff that Clear/Xohm's non-pre WiMax replaces? |
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wayne8888
join:2005-10-16
Baltimore, MD
·XOHM WiMAX
·Cavalier Telephone
| reply to Richard B
Re: LTE Vaporware
As a XOHM (Clear) early adopter, one of the things that got me to drop the much faster Comcast was cost. I have the WiMax home modem and being a quarter mile away from coverage don't even get 6 mbps »www.speedtest.net/result/422205142.png. When comparing Comcast or Verizon or other DSL it is important to remember that a person who does not bundle cable TV or landline phone must then compare the clear/XOHM WiMax price with standalone Cable Internet or Dry-loop DSl. That $42.95 for Comcast high speed internet becomes $57.95 to $59.95 without the TV bundle. So since I opted for Directv (due to the vast number of HD stations compared to Comcast), I am really comparing $35 per month (after 6 months of $25 per month) with XOHM for 3-5mbps to nearly $60 for up to 12/2 service (in areas upgraded from 6/1 service) with Comcast. I must admit I was on the verge of quitting XOHM last week because I have seen no movement to fully cover Baltimore City (much less Chicago etc.). I have been a quarter mile (a few blocks) away from full coverage since early October in my northern Baltimore City neighborhood. So if Comcast ever gets a more compelling HD TV lineup (leading it to be a more attractive bundling candidate) or if FIOS ever makes it into B'more City, XOHM would be history with me unless they increase their speeds dramatically.
Wayne |
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bac522
join:2003-08-04
Manchester, NH
| Everyone should be voting for WiMAX to win...
One thing many people fail to realize is that WiMAX is a standards base technology. Sure a lot of people seem to associate WiMAX with Intel...they just got the ball rolling, but it was the IEEE that finalized the technology and that means anyone can deploy it and anyone can make products for it...just like WiFI...and when you have multiple vendors, making multiple products its a win-win for the consumer, because this drives prices down.
WiMAX is just like Ethernet and WiFI...an OPEN STANDARD allowing not just the big guys to deploy it, but many of the small guys to deploy. Open standard also means that eventually you'll be able to use any one's WiMAX CPE/mobile device with anyone's WiMAX network. Sure some vendors might charge you do so, but others may let you do it for free...much like wifi hotspots of today.
LTE on the other hand is really billed as a carrier's technology and for the most part is a closed standard...that's bad because at the end of the day you only have a subset of manufactures making products for a subset of carriers who get to chose what products you can and can't use on their network...pretty much the cell phone model all over again...and who like that model??? Contracts, limited choice of phones...blah blah blah. |
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bac522
join:2003-08-04
Manchester, NH | reply to DaveNJ
Re: It's a shame, too
An international standard that the big carriers control...IE...monopoly! |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
·Comcast
·Patriot Media
1 edit | reply to bac522
Re: Everyone should be voting for WiMAX to win...
said by bac522 .pretty much the cell phone model all over again...and who like that model??? Contracts, limited choice of phones...blah blah blah.
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There is limited choice on GSM phones? I think there are about 1000 choices. |
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