Chris 313
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clubs: | Agreed!
I've already done a little over 30GB this month and it's mostly from Netflix service and a few Xbox downloads.
TWC's current capping scheme is way too low. At least Comcast got it right, even if they don't have their meter out yet. |
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TKJunkMail
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|  TWC must use fuzzy math instead of the regular kind
The above from the bill.
I always thought that 27.56 - 20 = 7.56
But, evidently TWC has their own unique math system where
27.56 - 20 = 9.59
The TWC accountants must use fuzzy math & fuzzy logic where outcomes can be in a range of values, instead of based on discrete values. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_Mathematics
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swintec
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Alfred, ME | I think it has something to do with the bits / bytes conversion process.
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REALquestion
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For all the bad math... WHAT WAS THE FINAL BILL?
Did the overage count or is this still just being tested?
If it didn't cost any extra, I'd say it was still being tested. If the overages were billed, it's a whole different story. |
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swintec
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| The customer was given a "courtesy credit" for 10 bucks. If he didnt call, he would have had to pay. He was told using Netflix caused a "bottleneck" for all his neighbors. 
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LurkerLito
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| Time Warner Internet now only barely better than useless
Call, petition, and beg Verizon to roll out FIOS in your area. No caps on Internet services. If they are capping you, you might as well be on dial up or DSL. No caps and slow is better than low capped and fast IMO. What good is High Speed Internt if you hit the cap in a week or over a weekend? This isn't wireless telephone internet garbage, it is for home networking. If there is a cap it should be at MINIMUM 50% of the largest hard drive available for consumers to purchase that quarter (ex today it would be 50% of 1.5TB or 750GB per month).
20GB is pathetic. I used well over half that just with one Steam weekend sale not including the Hulu and netflix stuff I regularly watch. |
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Re: TWC must use fuzzy math instead of the regular kind
said by swintec  :I think it has something to do with the bits / bytes conversion process. If that's case, it would not be that far off. For there to be that big of difference between the bits number and the bytes number, you would have to be talking about much more than 30GB.
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swintec
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| said by NetAdmin :said by swintec :I think it has something to do with the bits / bytes conversion process. If that's case, it would not be that far off. For there to be that big of difference between the bits number and the bytes number, you would have to be talking about much more than 30GB. From the Consumerist story:
Here's how their math works - their definition of gigabyte for your cap is 1 GB = 1000 MB = 1,000,000 KB, = 1,000,000,000 Bytes
However, your usage was measured using 1 GB = 1024 MB = 1048576 KB = 1073741824 Bytes
so, anyway, by their definition, you used up 27.56 GB * 1024^3 (GB / Btye) = 29592324669 Bytes. Then they subtracted your allowance of 20000000000 Bytes, and converted back using 1000^3 Bytes / GB to get an overage of 9.59 GB. It's the whole 1024 vs. 1000 issue that's shown up in all sorts of various memory rating areas (like why your 250 GB hd isn't really 250 GB)
So it looks like they also round up to the nearest GB to, at a dollar a gig.
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Re: Time Warner Internet now only barely better than useless
said by LurkerLito :Call, petition, and beg Verizon to roll out FIOS in your area. No caps on Internet services. As a current Verizon FiOS customer, I think that it is just a matter of time before FiOS introduces caps. Sure, not now since the lack of caps is yet another characteristic to win over customers. But, do you really think a company as large as Verizon is not internally salivating at that potential revenue stream once FiOS has a larger market share? |
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en102
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Valencia, CA | reply to swintec
Re: TWC must use fuzzy math instead of the regular kind
Where there is another carrier... call and complain. If they won't do anything about it - switch carriers.
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shadow700
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If the "Total Gigabytes Allowed" and "Gigabytes Over" are defined as a "marketing" gigabyte (1,000,000,000 bytes / GB), but "Gigabytes Used" is defined as "real" gigabytes (1,073,741,824 bytes / GB), then the math works out:
20 marketing GB = 20,000,000,000 bytes
27.56 GB = 29,592,324,669 bytes
29,592,324,669 - 20,000,000,000 = 9,592,324,669 bytes
9,592,324,669 bytes = 9.59 marketing GB |
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me1212
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Re: Time Warner Internet now only barely better than useless
They may get caps, but if they want to keep doing damage to cable the will make it 750g-1t caps. Thats 3 or 4 times CC's cap. Or lots of us may just get a DSL(i know some have caps, but as long as there is a market for no caps there will be some ISPs with no caps.) that no caps(or a 1tb cap they r on their way trust me). |
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iria64
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Re: TWC must use fuzzy math instead of the regular kind
So they are using two definitions of GB for the calculation.
This smells ripe for some sort of suit.
Based on this above calculations the actual cap is 18.62GB, 2x10^10 / 1024^3.
If calculations posted above are correct when the usage meter show 19gb used you are already over the cap. |
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jjoshua
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Reminds me of something out of the Simpsons.
We're instituting caps. Booo!
But, we'll give you a nice usage meter for free. WooHoo! |
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TACSPEED
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Tacoma, WA | reply to swintec
Re: TWC must use fuzzy math instead of the regular kind
Then why are they not using 20 GB * 1024^3 (GB/Btye) = 21474830000 Bytes?
Giving an overage of 8.12 GB
Seems they should be consistent. |
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JSY
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Re: Time Warner Internet now only barely better than useless
said by me1212 :They may get caps, but if they want to keep doing damage to cable the will make it 750g-1t caps. No they don't have to. I doubt they will ever advertise that they have higher or no caps than cable because they could never guarantee that. They can just compete on pricing and speed like they do now and it appears that they're doing a decent job.
I don't have FiOS and am not sure if I would get it once introduced because I've always said anyone who thinks FiOS won't eventually adopt the same practices as cable is not seeing the bigger picture. I mean, c'mon now - the company that offers FiOS is the same company that no one liked offering DSL. Things will eventually level off. It's just that FiOS isn't available in many places yet and the burden on them is not as great as it is the burden on cable with their number of customers. But when it comes down to it, your phone and cable company are two peas from the same pod. |
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Re: How MUCH was the bill?
said by swintec :The customer was given a "courtesy credit" for 10 bucks. If he didnt call, he would have had to pay. He was told using Netflix caused a "bottleneck" for all his neighbors. "Rest assured customers, that TWC's own brand of broadband delivered video content will cause
 no such problems whatsoever!! "
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me1212
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Pleasant Hill, MO | reply to JSY
Re: Time Warner Internet now only barely better than useless
Yes, but it will be something going for them. IF you could get both cable and fios, and the only thing that made them made different was the cap size which one would you get? |
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capsux
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1 more reason to go with a competiting provider like rcn, att, or verizon. |
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2 edits | reply to Chris 313
Re: Agreed!
said by Chris 313 :I've already done a little over 30GB this month and it's mostly from Netflix service and a few Xbox downloads. TWC's current capping scheme is way too low. At least Comcast got it right, even if they don't have their meter out yet. Yes higher cap would make you happier
6gb to 41 would make more sense!
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