KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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·AT&T DSL Service
 ·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest
|  We're #1 !
It's easy to be #1 at anything!
All you have to do is disqualify and remove from consideration everyone else. Then you're always #1.
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
 ·VOIPo
| WTF is wrong with him?!?
Our speed are NOT as good as the much of the world, our caps are not as high as much of the world, and our coverage phails when compared to much of the world. Wireless help a lot(and if wireless could give us speeds of 50md 20mu I would be happier) but it is not yet as stable as some wired ISPs. And don't even mention sat internet I HAD it, it does NOT deserve to be called high speed, as it is an insult to all other REAL high speed. When you factor in the cost, one could make the argument that dial-up>sat. |
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Bill Dollar
join:2009-02-20
Washington, DC
| Speedtest.net not scientific
Hansell cites reports based on data from speedtest.net to diminish the lag in U.S. speeds. Problem is, this is a system of self-reported user data, which is unmonitored, and unprepared to properly test for things like powerboost and very high speed connections. The results I get on it for fios vary wildly from other sites. Sometimes I test my connection, get a slow result, then realize my neighbor has changed his wifi channel to mine.
In otherwords, garbage in, garbage out. It is not usable data.
Further, Hansell also ignores the fact that DOCSIS3.0 could have been delivered years ago. Overseas cable companies were clamoring for cable labs to complete the standard, but they and their corporate masters dragged their feet. This is the "market miracle" that is 3 years too late. |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Once it's fine in urban liberaltopia
I guess for the NYT, once they can get broadband in big cities like NYC, Chicago or SF they couldn't care less about the rest of the country, especially rural areas and exurbs. |
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jadebangle
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join:2007-05-22
Olathe, KS
·SureWest Internet
·AT&T Yahoo
·Comcast
| reply to KrK
Re: We're #1 !
said by KrK  :It's easy to be #1 at anything! All you have to do is disqualify and remove from consideration everyone else. Then you're always #1. Even thought few American have fiber it still blows
Its inferior fiber, heavily capped at 5mbit to 50mbit and pricing structure is very high compared to other offering in 3rd world country.
for 40.00 all i can get is 5mbps
for verizon all they could get is 10mbps/2mbps
how can i say this... suck!
you have pay a lot more to have something that is closer to japan... say 139.99 to 192.00
this is ridiculous
also 75 percent of american are pretty much stuck at 1.5mbps to 6mpbs for the average price japan, korea, sweden, netherland pays for that are at least 25 to 50 times faster
America is pathetic, we're number one at consuming gasoline
We're number one at making the biggest most useless car in the world
we're number one at ripping others off
in many category we're at the bottom of the list
we're the fattest, most lazy nation on this planet. most american just sit at home being glue to their television. hardly anyone get any exercise anymore
the food makes us fat and being a coach potato make us even fatter 
thanks to genetically modified food by monsanto the evil corporate nazi, the world is following along in the fat american lifestyle
what else did we achieve? the atomic bomb, water fluoridation, aids artifically created to reduce the population of the world, sars, aspartame, msg, agent orange
the most hated nation on this planet
"it doesn't matter what other nation think of us so long as they fear us"
George W. Bush
Australia- free healthy care
UK- free health care
Canada- free health care
America- health care not free, are most expensive, insurance company does not cover even if you pay because they are thieves, most can't afford it, most are in poor health. insurance company will make sure you are healthy before insuring you. why insure those who are healthy? that's pointless. a healthy person doesn't need insurance
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morbo
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Why would Saul Hansell defend the status quo? Our current system is not working unless you are AT&T, Verizon, or Comcast. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to Bill Dollar
Re: Speedtest.net not scientific
said by Bill Dollar :Hansell cites reports based on data from speedtest.net to diminish the lag in U.S. speeds. He also got info from these sources as well:
The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, Point-Topic, the Technology Policy Institute, the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, and DSL Prime.
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast
| reply to me1212
Re: WTF is wrong with him?!?
Our numbers are OK. When people quote what Japan or Korea get, they never site averages. They always site what is available to a small minority.
The large European countries have average download speeds ranging from 3.2 Mbps in Italy to 6.4 Mbps in Germany, according to a study by the Saïd Business School at Oxford. The United States has an average speed of 5.2 Mbps.
Japan was the standout, with an average speed of 16.7 Mbps. Sweden was 8.8 Mbps. And Korea averaged 7.2 Mbps. When averages are looked at, it is a different story.
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herdfan
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join:2003-01-25
Hurricane, WV
| reply to jadebangle
Re: We're #1 !
said by jadebangle :for 40.00 all i can get is 5mbps for verizon all they could get is 10mbps/2mbps how can i say this... suck! we're the fattest, most lazy nation on this planet. most american just sit at home being glue to their television. hardly anyone get any exercise anymore On one hand you complain about internet speeds, then complain that we are lazy spending too much time in front of the TV.
How is that any different than spending too much time in front of the computer. Speeds that high are great for streaming video which is just like .....TV.
Australia- free healthy care
UK- free health care
Canada- free health care
America- health care not free, are most expensive, Have you seen the tax rates in some of those countries. Its not free.
America are run by monkeys, nobody know what their doing. |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online
| What it the Difference?
In other words, if you take away the most impressive broadband countries, then dismiss our still mediocre showing as a product of geography (which doesn't explain our record on poor urban deployment, or the successes of say, Canada), the U.S. looks pretty good. With availability and speed issues solved, that leaves just high US broadband prices left to dismiss, which Hansell apparently can't. "On prices, unlike speeds, those tantalizing reports from overseas are correct," he says. This is no different that the government reporting that prices have barely risen when you take out food, energy and housing from the equation. Just the very things you need to live!
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Core0000
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join:2008-05-04
Somerset, KY
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·Windstream
| Prices..
I don't know if this is the complete reason.. but I'd say its part of it.
When the government goes printing money like they do. And it's not backed by anything, it lowers the value of the old money already on the market.
So in 2008 a bottle of tea I buy, cost a 1.00... in 2008 dec/ it cost 1.25
That's just something I actually paid attention to.
My point is it takes more money to do the same job now then it did in the past. Workers that repair the lines at the phone companies/internet service of course want paid more so they can continue to pay for goods and services (since the price of these items go up because of fuel cost/taxes etc).. its a freaking endless loop really. At least for now.
So I would say that's probably why we don't see internet service prices go down..
I honestly don't know but wanted to give my opinion/theory.. |
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Bill Dollar
join:2009-02-20
Washington, DC
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Speedtest.net not scientific
You should click through, or re-read Hansell's article.
Point-Topic doesn't do speed testing, nor cite speed tests. OECD does not do speed testing or cite speed tests. ITIF has written about speed testing, using the equally lame CWA Speed Matters self-reported speed tester. DSL prime does not do speed testing.
And finally, yes, industry Shill Scott Wallsten at TPI has cited speedtest.net data in the past. But again, it is unreliable, unscientific data. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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| reply to jadebangle
Re: We're #1 !
Well, I'm not going to go that far, but it is true we are a consumer nation that has been farmed into delivering fat corporate profits.
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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birdfeedr
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join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI | reply to jadebangle
Holy mackerel, is there nothing good about America?
What do you say when you wake up in a good mood? Enquiring minds really want to know™.
Step away from the kool-aid. |
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Core0000
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join:2008-05-04
Somerset, KY
·New Wave Communica..
·Windstream
| reply to jadebangle
America really is a great country, and I say that with sincerity. I am glad I live here.
Now as for our political system, and a lot of our representatives.. well if it were entirely up to me. I can be honest and say I'd fire the lot of em. There would be real change, not just a .. 'change of positions.' It would not be some game of musical chairs...
Anyways unfortunately or fortunately, it's a matter of perspective, its not up to me, but up to everyone.
And I think that says something as well.. I mean the majority get the representatives they really want.
*Sighs* |
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jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | reply to morbo
Re: This guy is clueless
Or me. I'm quite happy with my internet choices. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: WTF is wrong with him?!?
said by TKJunkMail :Our numbers are OK. .... our speed numbers are OK. our prices, coverage and caps suck @ass. |
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ablack6596
join:2005-01-28
Scarsdale, NY | We're not that bad
Sure we could be much better, but US internet is much better than Canada, Australia, England, New Zealand, and probably others. I would love to have Japan's speeds, but honestly we're not that bad. |
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morbo
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| reply to Core0000
Re: Prices..
you are pointing out the impact of inflation, which is real based on our current monetary system. it is a fact for all businesses and services.
the reason prices are high, speeds are low, and coverage sucks is because of the lack of real competition and the unholy agreement among the incumbent providers to actually compete. if they actually compete, they make less money. |
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jsz0
join:2008-01-23
Jewett City, CT
·Comcast
| What are we missing?
What exactly are we missing out on? I can't think of a single thing I can't do with my average consumer broadband account. All websites are accessible, of course, I can stream pretty good quality online video, I can download files, I can send e-mail, IM, etc.
I think if anyone is going to convince private businesses and/or the US government to spend a lot of money on vast network upgrades we're going to need some practical examples of why we need it and why the lack of faster broadband is hurting people in some tangible way other than "I want to download 720P rips from BitTorrent really fast and I can't" |
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