Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC |  What a terrible idea!
Gosh, you know, that whole fiber thing, it was a terrible idea for Verizon. There is no way they'll recoup their investment or utilize it to expand their product offerings. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | People should have listened to Greg Moffett. |
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JSRoman
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
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You are confusing Verizon having a fiber backbone and Verizon actually deciding to extend that fiber to a customer's home. Verizon would most likely have leased access to fiber backbone no matter if they went ahead with FIOS or not. ATT, Comcast and Sprint all do the same thing in area that they have a fiber entry way. The same goes for space on towers. |
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hroo772
Darkness Fears Me
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join:2002-04-05
Mclean, VA
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| What a great idea
Verizon has put alot of money into their fiber network even when investors hated them for doing it. Now that its in place, people are realizing that they made a smart move switching to deploying fiber. I think this is a great revenue stream in a time when wireless bandwidth usage continues to escalate. |
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
 ·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Skype
| I think the story here is....
.... that, up until this point, Verizon saw WISPs as competition and either refused to provide backhaul to them or jacked up the rates to a ridiculous amount.
Can any WISP operators confirm if this is the case?
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
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Re: What a terrible idea!
said by JSRoman  :You are confusing Verizon having a fiber backbone and Verizon actually deciding to extend that fiber to a customer's home. Verizon would most likely have leased access to fiber backbone no matter if they went ahead with FIOS or not. ATT, Comcast and Sprint all do the same thing in area that they have a fiber entry way. The same goes for space on towers. Actually, I'm not. A few links deep they specifically mention that they are using the FiOS fiber for this: »www.telecommagazine.com/article.···=AR_3083
To deliver its fiber-based ETAG (Ethernet Transport and Aggregation) backhaul service, which it plans to launch later this year, Verizon Partner Solutions will leverage its ongoing FiOS FTTP (fiber-to the premise) BPON and GPON network investments and pseudowire technology. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
 ·Comcast
·Qwest.net
·magicjack.com
 ·BeeCreek Communica..
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| This is brilliant!
Use your infrastructure to provide enterprise-grade services, thus helping both you (who are getting the money) and your customers (who are getting relatively cheap, ultra-high-speed backhaul). I know of providers who'd kill for a 50/20 circuit to their towers, though unfortunately they're where FiOS ain't.
I just wish FiOS was in more places. Back home Verizon doesn't even have DSL :/ |
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alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
|  reply to hroo772
Re: What a great idea
Of course it's a great idea, and the faster other Providers jump on board with FTTH, the faster we will regain our Broadband Dominance in The World. I know this economy doesn't spur companies to spend money, but the sooner they realize Fiber is the answer to the future, and quit throwing money away squeezing Copper and Wireless Technology. Fiber is the answer, now let's get on with it! |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to funchords
Re: I think the story here is....
many WISPs do not have the $$$ to pay for fiber like Verizon is now offering. It's always been available just at the high price. You can get the samething from ATT if you have the $$$$$. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to iansltx
Re: This is brilliant!
They already offer this. It's been offered as I said above. You just have to have the $$$$ to pay for it. Fiber was in place weeeell Before FiOS was ever thought of. How do you think that they got bandwidth to the VZW towers where they owned Fiber? You don't think they used T1s or DSL do ya?
If you got the $$$$ to get a fiber connection off the actual VZ Fiber Backbone then they'll give it to ya. |
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ricep5
Premium
join:2000-08-07
Jacksonville, FL
·AT&T Southeast
·AT&T CallVantage
·VoicePulse
·Comcast Formerly ..
| Backhaul
"but couldn't (at first) find enough high-bandwidth backhaul links"
Qualified...it couldn't find high-bandwidth backhaul it could afford.
Business model of cheap wireless data requires cheap backhaul. If backhaul is too expensive, then it doesn't fit the model and changes have to occur.
In this case they refinanced the model with Clearwire and voila! They can now find high bandwidth backhaul! Amazing how that works. |
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wwdubbia
join:2002-06-03
Clinton, NY | oh, the irony
the irony here, of course, is that Verizon scoffed at the idea of sharing their network when CLEC's were looking to use the Verizon infrastructure after the Telecom Act of 1996. |
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anon10101011
@verizon.net
| FIBER has always been the future of Telecom
Also one the main reasons Verizon is at a point to able to provide longhaul traffic is due to merger/purchasing of MCI. MCI has an extensive international Fiber Optic back bone. This was probably one of the smartest moves Verizon ever made. One of the reasons MCI had so much debt was due to purchase and placing of thier backbone. When i worked for MCI just for fun if a customer called in issue with a circuit in California I would build a test circuit using test equipment in Spain, just to test thier circuit and thier would no differnce if i had used a test test node next door to them. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to hottboiinnc
Re: This is brilliant!
Correct, but now with FiOS fiber is so near the tower that it's relatuvely cheap to go all the way. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| how do you figure the fiber is closer to the Tower? For all you all of the towers could have fiber to them already. FiOS did nothing to make fiber available at any tower. And I highly doubt they'll give you a 50/20 fiber link to resell.
Karl is taking something he sees as "new" and turning it into something that has been offered for YEARS!
And as I have said before- ATT, VZ, and Google are Gods on here to him. They give him and Justin $$$ for giving them thumbs up for everything and never posting anything neg about them. They can claim they don't all they want but if it wasn't true you'd see all kinds of stories on here about Google being sued in Small Claims Court, how one group is asking the Courts to stop GMail and Google Docs until Google can improve their polices on "privacy" and such.
You'd also see more stores on how ATT and VZ rip their customers off. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
·Cox HSI
| Verizon laughs all the way to the bank
Not only to get get to out-compete their competitors, they now will actually make money off of them, because they will be leasing competitors their capacity. Which they own and control.
This is too rich. Actually, I think it's awesome.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to anon10101011
Re: FIBER has always been the future of Telecom
Sounds like that was a cool job back in the day. |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| step-up
Verizon's FIOS network mainly proves that the cable companies were not willing to step up to the plate with a full-throttle deployment of docsis 3.0! Much of the cable industry pulls their dirty tricks to limit usage due to the popularity of downloading content vs buying video packages.
The cable companies that do compete on price leave FIOS in a premium broadband vs ordinary docsis broadband (usually priced lower than comparable fios in similar tier levels).
Where else to generate ROI? Wireless.. and they will milk that for all it's worth. As long as consumers see value in mobile broadband... vs freeloading on WIFI networks.
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
·Comcast
·Qwest.net
·magicjack.com
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| reply to hottboiinnc
Re: This is brilliant!
I'm not talking about Verizon running fiber to their own towers. I'm talking about them having carriers as customers for point to point circuits so other carriers can do the same. Oh and Verizon will definitely sell you a 50/20 link...you just have to pay for it  |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| The fiber was already in place to towers. The fiber was only in places where they had the fiber to start off with. Like if the Tower is in an ATT service area VZ is not going to run you a fiber line there- especially FiOS.
VZ is running carrier grade services to towers where people can afford them. You should go look at their Carrier Page along with ATT's. The service has been sold for years how do you think calls get routed off the towers where there is no backhual and no t1's.
Comcast and TWC does the same thing. |
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