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The article is correct, this is nothing more than a preemptive move to cut off alternative video options to consumers, what's more it has the potential to be insanely profitable for the cable industry, so look for more to follow suit. | |
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Someone needs to take them to court based on the anti-competitiveness of this - not that it will be successful, but if it raises enough doubt it might be worth it.
If they try this in a FIOS market, Verizon will eat their lunch......
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This is insane. 40 gb is the highest? come on.
With these caps all you really need is a one meg connection. The low number reflects that they basically want to stop most if not all video downloading both legally or illegally across all tiers. Being a content provider gives them the motive but they will lie and make other excuses for it. Remember, these are test markets and they are just feeling their way out to see just how much they can get away with without suffering a major bleed from market share. | |
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1 edit | Re: Competition-free... said by HiDesert:said by capsnoway :
This is insane. 40 gb is the highest? come on.
With these caps all you really need is a one meg connection. The low number reflects that they basically want to stop most if not all video downloading both legally or illegally across all tiers. Being a content provider gives them the motive but they will lie and make other excuses for it. Remember, these are test markets and they are just feeling their way out to see just how much they can get away with without suffering a major bleed from market share. EXACTLY.
This is clearly aimed to take care of multiple things: avoid costly upgrades they have NEVER performed before and have no intention to do beyond the required basic ones, to stop the growing popularity of onnline video including TV services and to be able to kill every other content provider who does not want to include them in his business model.
TWC is a fuckin' sly, corrupt bunch of greedy MFs. I hope people will leave them en masse as soon as they turn these caps on and EFF will pick this fight and sue this rotten PoS company.
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When it all comes down to it, and I'm sure most of you would agree, if I suddenly got a $50-100 internet overage fee, one of the first things I would do, would be to call up and cancel a portion or ALL of my TV service. To me, TV is just entertainment and my family's usage of the internet for work, school, and entertainment is far more important than TV.
So go ahead TW, smack people with overages. People with other options will switch and cancel your service. People without any other options will likely call up and cancel their TV package, and maybe more. There goes a large portion of your profitable business!
I know part of the reason they are implementing caps is to protect their TV franchise, but it's going to be one of the first things they will lose in my opinion. I personally know many people who have recently cut their cable service yet kept their internet because it's more useful for them in this sour economy. With caps, TW is just speeding up their own demise, they must be truly inept of any rational thinking or intelligence.
Thankfully, I have U-verse available to me, so the very moment TW tries to slap me with an overage fee, off to U-verse I go. Hopefully it won't be capped, but even if it was, I could manage with 150-200GB... but 20-40GB is just absurd when the going rate for a gigabyte is only a few cents. | |
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kudos:2 | I would have to guess that the majority of users don't use anywhere near 40GB/month, but that trend will slowly change as more and more people watch video via the Internet. And Time Warner isn't sly about it. As you've stated they clearly want to stifle competition and rather not upgrade their network (and with caps implemented why would the need to?). | |
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kudos:12 | Re: Competition-free... said by Phil:I would have to guess that the majority of users don't use anywhere near 40GB/month, but that trend will slowly change as more and more people watch video via the Internet. And Time Warner isn't sly about it. As you've stated they clearly want to stifle competition and rather not upgrade their network (and with caps implemented why would the need to?). 40GB is their highest tier. The tiers most people will have @ $24.99 and $29.99/month only allow for 5GB and 10GB respectively. | |
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Austin has UVerse... I would rather have what you describe as slow DSL than fast cable that I can't use. I would take a stable 1 mb connection over these ridiculously low caps on a 15 mb service. This is insane. 40 gb is the highest? come on.
didnt you know ATT is also testing metered billing and is expected to launch in "other" markets dont think your safe just yet as im sure ATT is soon going to announce more added markets as well | |
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00000 | Re: Competition-free... said by alexintexas:said by capsnoway :
Austin has UVerse... I would rather have what you describe as slow DSL than fast cable that I can't use. I would take a stable 1 mb connection over these ridiculously low caps on a 15 mb service. This is insane. 40 gb is the highest? come on.
didnt you know ATT is also testing metered billing and is expected to launch in "other" markets dont think your safe just yet as im sure ATT is soon going to announce more added markets as well dslreports has reported that AT&T is exploring caps.
how convenient that almost ALL isp's (even historically uncapped dsl) are now going to this model. at the same time.
we need more than net neutrality to combat this problem. | |
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| Re: Competition-free... Caps and metered billing in and of themselves are not a net neutrality violation, at least not until the insane overage charges (which TWC and AT&T have, don't recall Frontier) roll in, and/or "approved content" gets a free pass at the meter.
Remember that only the residential sector of the ISP biz works on an unmetered flat rate. Everyone else either pays outright by the GB, or buys X GB/month and pays overages.
I'm not saying that what TWC and AT&T are doing isn't crazy, just that it's the size of the caps (unlike Comcast's 250GB) and insane overages that make it crazy. I'd be a-ok with a Comcastish 250GB cap with reasonable overage rates. As a TWC customer living in AT&T territory, here's hoping that they wake up and follow Comcast's model rather than the one they're on...
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00000 | Re: Competition-free... said by sivran:Remember that only the residential sector of the ISP biz works on an unmetered flat rate. Everyone else either pays outright by the GB, or buys X GB/month and pays overages. my employer is on a flat rate dsl line (business class) so it costs a bit more than a residential line.
i dislike caps but could understand a cap that is both reasonable (only catches the top 0.5 percent of users) and adjusted upward annual based on actually use rates. otherwise, it's a flat out money grab by these corporations and must be stopped by whatever means. | |
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kudos:12 | said by sivran:Remember that only the residential sector of the ISP biz works on an unmetered flat rate. Everyone else either pays outright by the GB, or buys X GB/month and pays overages. Not true. All Business Class Cable services (Comcast, Time Warner at least) are unlimited. The downstream speeds are typically slightly slower but upstream is faster. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | said by sivran:Remember that only the residential sector of the ISP biz works on an unmetered flat rate. Everyone else either pays outright by the GB, or buys X GB/month and pays overages. This is an outright LIE, no matter who told you this BS.
ANY BUSINESS SERVICE I HAVE USED IN THE PAST ~10 YEARS CAME AT A FLAT RATE WITH UNLIMITED BANDWIDTH USE.
Currently I have 3-4 different type of internet access and ALL are flat rate and unlimited.
Let's stop spreading BS, shall we?
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Suffern, NY | said by sivran:I'm not saying that what TWC and AT&T are doing isn't crazy, just that it's the size of the caps (unlike Comcast's 250GB) and insane overages that make it crazy. I'd be a-ok with a Comcastish 250GB cap with reasonable overage rates. I define reasonable as no more (and actually much less) than the per GB charge for the initial cap. IOW: If (just to use some numbers that work out easy to compute) the monthly charge with that 250GB Cap is $50, then the cost of extra GB should be no more than $0.20/GB (ie: If I go 250GB over the cap, the overage charge should be no more than $50). This is the same charge as if you have 2 customers who are using their FULLY PAID FOR 250GB of usage. Once I pay my initial $50, I have paid for and am entitled to use 250GB of transfer bandwidth (any I do not use, I lose since I do not want to complicate the issue with roll over usage). Thus the cost of that full usage is only $0.20/GB and that should be the maximum overage fee. | |
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1 edit | AT&T's caps are also bigger than TWC's and scale upwards depending on the speed.
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I'd much rather have no caps (and will vote with my wallet to achieve this) but in the absence of that, sensible and realistic caps that won't affect anyone but a tiny sub-2% minority of customers would be preferable to ridiculously low caps (40GB would fall into this category).
In these tougher economic times ISPs are going to be looking for new revenue streams and to squeeze customers as hard as they can for whatever they can get, over developing their networks and infrastructure and raising their subscriber numbers by - GOSH - good old-fashioned word of mouth and superior customer satisfaction. | |
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Austin has UVerse... Not all of Austin has UVerse, they've cherry picked where they've rolled out service. | |
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2 edits | Re: Competition-free... said by radougherty:said by capsnoway :
Austin has UVerse... Not all of Austin has UVerse, they've cherry picked where they've rolled out service. and what is your point on "uverse"? try reading the TOS in the "test markets" it includes ANY services provided by ATT which includes U-VERSE
said by Karl Bode:The other Time Warner Cable trial markets are in AT&T territory. AT&T is also testing metered billing, imposing caps from 20 to 150GB in two trial markets, charging customers $1 per gigabyte in overage fees. | |
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Austin has UVerse... I would rather have what you describe as slow DSL than fast cable that I can't use. I would take a stable 1 mb connection over these ridiculously low caps on a 15 mb service. This is insane. 40 gb is the highest? come on.
uverse isn't everywhere yet. I am in a mature neighborhood and no uverse here in south austin. Nor west austin where i moved from.
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2 edits | Absolutely TRUE.
For example I got a flyer from Cablevision, advertising Opetimum Online - I thought 'wow, they finally decided to invade TWC territories?" and called them up.
Of course they did not: they guy literally said "you know, we don't go to their turf and they don't come to ours, this is how it works...." "Yes, I know and this is VERY BAD, this is MONOPOLY" - I said and he fully agreed: "Of course it's bad for the customers, I know - I feel for ya' but hey, this is how it works for very long time and nobody wants to give it up voluntarily!"
There you go, he just said it. Are you listening, Mr Prez? Break up and kill the monopolies, fine them and pocket the money!
This is here, In NYC, one of the biggest fuckin' cities of this entire planet, in 2009.
Say thanks for all the retards who supported the build-out of this FAKE capitalism-BS-turned-to-corporatist state.
Seriously, only 25 years after we got our first phone line installed back in the Commie regime (OK, we lived on a hill but we spent 15+ years on a waiting list) today my little Central-EU native country has a lot more competition thus much better telecom market and services than this city... fuckin' nonsense, that is.
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kudos:1 | Re: Competition-free... said by kamm:Absolutely TRUE. For example I got a flyer from Cablevision, advertising Opetimum Online - I thought 'wow, they finally decided to invade TWC territories?" and called them up. Of course they did not: they guy literally said "you know, we don't go to their turf and they don't come to ours, this is how it works...." "Yes, I know and this is VERY BAD, this is MONOPOLY" - I said and he fully agreed: "Of course it's bad for the customers, I know - I feel for ya' but hey, this is how it works for very long time and nobody wants to give it up voluntarily!"There you go, he just said it. Are you listening, Mr Prez? Break up and kill the monopolies, fine them and pocket the money!This is here, In NYC, one of the biggest fuckin' cities of this entire planet, in 2009. Say thanks for all the retards who supported the build-out of this FAKE capitalism-BS-turned-to-corporatist state. NYC has a cable competitor that has service overlapping TWC and cablevision, its called RCN, HFC network and all. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Competition-free... said by patcat88:said by kamm:Absolutely TRUE. For example I got a flyer from Cablevision, advertising Opetimum Online - I thought 'wow, they finally decided to invade TWC territories?" and called them up. Of course they did not: they guy literally said "you know, we don't go to their turf and they don't come to ours, this is how it works...." "Yes, I know and this is VERY BAD, this is MONOPOLY" - I said and he fully agreed: "Of course it's bad for the customers, I know - I feel for ya' but hey, this is how it works for very long time and nobody wants to give it up voluntarily!"There you go, he just said it. Are you listening, Mr Prez? Break up and kill the monopolies, fine them and pocket the money!This is here, In NYC, one of the biggest fuckin' cities of this entire planet, in 2009. Say thanks for all the retards who supported the build-out of this FAKE capitalism-BS-turned-to-corporatist state. NYC has a cable competitor that has service overlapping TWC and cablevision, its called RCN, HFC network and all. Except it's NOT TRUE AT ALL because they DO NOT SERVE MOST OF THE CITY.
Let's stop spreading corporate BS, shall we? 
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kudos:1 | Re: Competition-free... said by kamm:Except it's NOT TRUE AT ALL because they DO NOT SERVE MOST OF THE CITY.Let's stop spreading corporate BS, shall we? Serves 1/10th, they went bankrupt before they finished a general rollout. Their "pass every building" HFC buildout only happened in Northwest Queens. All other buildings served in NYC were/are landlord negotiated MDU 1 time buildouts.
Its pretty sad they never finished their network. They would be as praised, or even more, than Verizon's FIOS plan if they tried to do it today by DSLR. RCN's name stood for Revolutionary Cable Network, and used soviet styled ads, its mission was very revolutionary. RCN built their fiber much deeper into their network and with many more spare fiber counts than TWC, and RCN at one point had plans to do FTTP for premium consumer and premium small business ($100-$300 per mo range). Can you remotely dream of a wide scale roll out of a new wired telecom network? Its as jaw dropping as an interstate highway or new railroad getting built. | |
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| good bye TWC as i have said before i do not and will not support this in any way shape or form, DSL tho slower beats having a 15/2 line with a 40gig cap.
so now im gonna go satellite, DSLExtreame, and some type of VOIP maybe the Tmobile @ home, good luck TWC.
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Brooklyn, NY | What a classic corporate LIE to cover their greed... Wholesale prices are much further down than growth on the demand side - the fact of the matter is that CABLE INTERNET'S "SHARED" BUSINESS MODEL IS DEAD unless they are finally cough up the money that is needed to perform their LONG-POSTPONED NETWORK UPGRADES.
Of course this would mean their disgusting PoS management has to go because they will never make a 180-degree turn from greedy BS corp to become a 'provider.
They act like if 'some' people are bad and eat up all the bandwidth - this is totally false, utter BS - it's just their business model was ALWAYS based on the lie called "unlimited internet", the assumption that nobody will use the pipe he's subscribing to its full extent.
It's the end of the road, you PoS Time Warner Cable - you start measuring, YOU LOSE.
You're still banking on your monopolies you've set up with previous govs but it's ALSO COMING TO AN END: you'll get your @ss handed over in 2-3 years by the new FCC (or hopefully the new regulatory body that will replace the compeltely ROTTEN and CORRUPT FCC so PoS companies like you will never be able to influence it again.)
Man, I HATE Time Warner - a classic example of everything that's wrong in Corporaqte America: a rotten, PoS, corrupt corporation that goes against the time, only to squeeae more and more profit, even if it means bringing down the US population with it (compared to Asia and Europe.)
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| | If it comes here.... We have a local telco that provides DSL. In my experience the service from TWC has been superior. If they start this billing here in Cincinnati, this 8 yr TWC customer will jump ship immediately. My family is a light internet using group but we easily pull 100 gb out of regular web browsing, Youtube, Zune music downloads, online gaming with both the PC and my Wii, etc. I pay enough as it is for Internet use, I'm not doubling or tripling my bill. | |
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| | | Re: If it comes here.... yeah i went and bought a bunch of cheap (but still large) games for myself for my birthday over steam yesterday, i'd go way over this tiny little cap if god forbid I decided to download them all in the same month and those fuckers want to charge me for that? That's bull shit. Why do we have to subsidize their dying television market? | |
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join:2001-02-14
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1 edit | Re: If it comes here.... said by oooimsoangry :
yeah i went and bought a bunch of cheap (but still large) games for myself for my birthday over steam yesterday, i'd go way over this tiny little cap if god forbid I decided to download them all in the same month and those fuckers want to charge me for that? That's bull shit. Why do we have to subsidize their dying television market?
You're subsidizing their crazy salaries and excessive corporate perks, not the TV service.
Time Warner's MARKUP is above 1,000% on EVERY BIT OF BANDWIDTH!
Yes, it is true: »Even Ike Couldn't Thwart Time Warner Cable's Dumb Idea
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| | |  espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
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Minneapolis, MN
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| Re: If it comes here.... As another member of these forums pointed out, using that math is like saying the only cost of a car is the gas you put in it. Say you have a 14 gallon tank, get 25 miles to the gallon, and pay $2/gallon. So if you need to travel 5 miles, that costs you a mere $0.40.
The math works there too, but completely fails to acknowledge the cost of the car, registration fees, insurance fees, and maintenance costs.
There is a profit margin built into the service, for sure, but notice how that markup percentage you quoted isn't published by any news organization that employs fact checkers. | |
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Suffern, NY | Re: If it comes here.... said by espaeth:As another member of these forums pointed out, using that math is like saying the only cost of a car is the gas you put in it. Say you have a 14 gallon tank, get 25 miles to the gallon, and pay $2/gallon. So if you need to travel 5 miles, that costs you a mere $0.40. The math works there too, but completely fails to acknowledge the cost of the car, registration fees, insurance fees, and maintenance costs. While that is true, those costs are ALREADY built into the initial monthly cost with the Cap. Why then is the overage cost more than the Capped Amount divided by the monthly charge (IOW: If I use twice my cap, why am I being charged more than twice my monthly fee)?
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They don't even get free cable. (Comcast employees get that at least!) | |
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Edit- I've had time Warner here for 4 years with great service. I am switching providers as soon as this takes effect in GSO. | |
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Not Greensboro, SC said by Cod:Its Greensboro, NC. Edit- I've had time Warner here for 4 years with great service. I am switching providers as soon as this takes effect in GSO. I'm also going to cancel my RR Lite backup line and my cable TV service. I've had 3 tech visits and 2 escalations for TV issues anyway. | |
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join:2002-04-05
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kudos:1 | Re: Not Greensboro, SC said by Matt:I'm also going to cancel my RR Lite backup line and my cable TV service. I've had 3 tech visits and 2 escalations for TV issues anyway. And many more thousands will join today. | |
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| Matt, at least you have the option of fiber from North State. I'm stuck with TWC as my *only* choice.
No satellite... historical building on National Register. ATT/Bellsouth maxes out at 3mbps here due to distance + ancient RDSLAM. No Uverse. Cell coverage is so weak I have to stand in the parking lot to use my phone most of the time.
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| Metering caps I guess the extra data being carried is wearing the cable too thin....
Does spam count in the metering.. I guess not, I get so much crap and spam from xxxx.rr.com and hsdi.xx.comcast.net that I have blocked all hsdi.xx.comcast.net addresses. Why not try and be a tad proactive and may be force all users within rr.com to use port 465 and have to authenticated to send e-mail Works for ATT.net and sbcglobal.net.. I get no spam from them
Might reduce the wear and tear on the cable, especially the 40 year old aerial infrastructure in my area.
Will the metered cap charges rise every December like the rest of the charges..
My AT&T Phone rate have not changed in years, but my cable bill does every December,
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | why are the caps so low? Comcast has a cap but atleast its 250gb. TWC seems to be taking the early 1990s/late 80s cell phone route of give them 100 minutes and charge big for anything beyond.
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1 edit | Re: why are the caps so low? Because they are EXTREMELY ARROGANT AND GREEDY.
Let 'em eat their &^$%# and die alone, it's easy as 1-2-3. | |
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join:2000-12-09
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1 edit | Re: why are the caps so low? said by kamm:Because they are EXTREMELY ARROGANT AND GREEDY.Let 'em eat their &^$%# and die alone, it's easy as 1-2-3. Hey Hey be nice. They totally resemble that  | |
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| | | said by Kearnstd:TWC seems to be taking the early 1990s/late 80s cell phone route of give them 100 minutes and charge big for anything beyond. I remember when AOL used to do that. But once all the independent ISP's started to offer unlimited then AOL was forced to give up their time limited dial up model. This is totally insane if they do this in any market with competition. And even in markets that don't, it will create an environment where other ISP's will expand into those markets and existing subs will jump with the first alternative that shows up. Warner thinks they can't afford the upgrades but in reality they have other motives. In the end, they will see doing this will cost them much more. | |
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00000 | And the video revenue protection program expands This has ZERO to do with funding "infrastructure" and ALL to do with defending their VOD and video revenues from streaming competitors like Netflix, Apple, Amazon and Microsoft. | |
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join:2001-05-01
Elmhurst, NY | suck it jerks! "We made a mistake early on by not defining our business based on the consumption dimension."
This is a crap excuses which really reads as follows:
"We knew what we were doing. If we had started metered billing since the beginning, the maintenance/usage of the infrastructure wouldn't be as high, nor would the customer base, as they would be driven away from the bandwidth-cap ghosts. Now that we have such a huge customer base, we're going to milk them even further by charging them extra per gigabyte of verage. Thats our business model. Cha-Ching"
Time warner service has been terrible. Have you noticed the crappy speeds in the evening. Don't they use the same god-forsaken network. Can't they tell how crappy their service is. Instead of fixing it to eliminate bottlenecks by maybe adding more redundant pathways/routers and make the network less congested, they choose to limit the usage and make the customer pay more at the same time. I'd be willing to pay more if their network was smooth in the evenings.
Kiss my a@@ TW
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|  unknvoipRIP goosePremium
join:2006-07-25
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kudos:1 | Re: Moving to TWC area It will have metered pricing, don't worry, it will. | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Moving to TWC area He's in SoCal.
There's many MILLIONS of users here. 40GB would cause riots in L.A.
Just as an FYI - reading the RoadRunner forum. TWC is cherry picking these locations. If I'm not mistaken, one of these locations competitors are Frontier DSL, which already has a 5GB cap  »www.frontier.com/5gb | |
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North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:21 | Re: Moving to TWC area Frontier doesn't have the 5GB cap yet. It's apparently still in the works... | |
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| | | | | said by en102:He's in SoCal. There's many MILLIONS of users here. 40GB would cause riots in L.A. Just as an FYI - reading the RoadRunner forum. TWC is cherry picking these locations. If I'm not mistaken, one of these locations competitors are Frontier DSL, which already has a 5GB cap » www.frontier.com/5gb EVERYTHING causes riots here.
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join:2001-05-25
Limbo | Well? Hmmm. Don't see any comments from the defenders of RR when they implemented this in Beaumont and people here screamed it was just the start.
"It's just a test" they said. "It doesn't mean they'll roll it out nationwide" they said.
Looks like more than a test to me now. . .
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join:2006-07-25
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| Leverage Here in Rochester we have virtually no leverage on TWC. The only thing I can do is to start dropping cable services.
I will certainly let them know that, particularly since my internet is particularly slow.
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| Re: Leverage Yep, we are boned here in Rochester. Anybody have any other ideas for service (other than Frontier)? Earthlink provides cable via TWC, I wonder if the caps would be enforced that way too. I don't upload at all, but I use a lot of downstream bandwidth because I just got rid of cable tv and rely on OTA and netflix on demand via my TivoHD. Now it looks like I am going to be really screwed, and I am stuck here for another 2 years finishing medical school. No wonder so many people are educated in NY and leave. They are going to let this happen and nobody will do a thing (but yet the attorney general going after AIG was so "brave" while the consumer gets screwed on a daily basis). | |
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| | | | Re: Leverage Just use really long cable from RIT...sigh, I wish! | |
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i'm just curious because i never find any of my videos on your site
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Why am i redirected here? said by discoinfern0 :Hi i just wonder why my "view report" in youtube says you guys embed and show my videoes. i'm just curious because i never find any of my videos on your site thank you please come again! WTF? 
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 |  Interesting
I am not surprised they rolled it out here though. AT&T and CLearwire are the only competition and AT&T hasn't even rolled out U-Verse yet. We were also the test bed for this when they tried it back in 2003 or so in combination with the Road Runner Xtreme moniker.
Luckily, I live in an area served not by AT&T, but by a local ILEC that actually has a vision and is rolling out BPON fiber to greenfield developments. | |
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| TW moves us backwards for profit. It's time to split up Time Warner Cable into separate voice, data, and TV/video companies. It is clear there is a huge conflict between their data and video operations and it is not benefiting the consumer or our technological progress in general. Let the TV part of the company live or die on its own product, not by neutering superior options that may be provided via the data service.
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| | | Re: TW moves us backwards for profit. I'm sure you're aware that as of a few weeks ago Time Warner Cable is a separate independent company from Time Warner. For years, internally there has been almost no cross-promotion of the cable and content brands (in part due to the very heavy regulations that exist, there's no financial benefit to it vs another provider). But this split was done in part because of exactly what you're saying. So Time Warner Cable has zero vested stake in television *content* which is really about the only thing Time Warner as a media production had to worry about. As a cable company, users digging into TV content via broadband isn't going to lower cable subscriptions drastically (in fact, that number is growing every year still). Most TWC customers with Internet also have a cable package. If that number ever did shrink though, it actually gives Time Warner Cable more bargaining power to lower the costs it pays in subscriptions to their content providers ("hey, people are shifting to the web, what do we need you for?"). Plus there's little worry about competition from others--if they have Internet through Time Warner Cable, there's a very good chance they're not substituting some alternate video provider (if that's even an option). | |
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