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| Hey, is that... ...a link to The Pirate Bay, in the story itself? I thought BBR didn't DO that.
Anyway, it's pretty clear that Obama is in bed with the content industry (he's hired a number of their lawyers and lobbyists -- and look at the gift he gave the UK prime minister), so it's not surprising that when they say Frog, the FBI jumps. | |
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| Re: Hey, is that... said by russotto  :...a link to The Pirate Bay, in the story itself? I thought BBR didn't DO that. Anyway, it's pretty clear that Obama is in bed with the content industry (he's hired a number of their lawyers and lobbyists -- and look at the gift he gave the UK prime minister), so it's not surprising that when they say Frog, the FBI jumps. Any president would be in bed with the content industry. 
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| Re: Hey, is that... said by matrix3D :Your statement should be "Any president that takes tons of campaign money from the MPAA/Hollywood would be in bed with the content industry." Obama is Hollywood's whore and this must be what they get in return. Any is a reference to ALL | |
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| Re: Hey, is that... Most of what is on P2P networks leaks from the studios or their contractors so this nothing new. We wouldn't even know about this if some FBI manager hadn't gone all Jack Bauer on the datacenter.
What I want to know is why this site continues to allow clear off-topic political trolling on the front page? | |
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| Leaked by Bit Torrent? It was leaked by someone using Bit Torrent. The summary makes it sound like the BitTorrent creators did it, LOL.
I'm sure they will catch where it came from, given the watermarks in the film, but that just means someone else innocent will probably get in trouble, probably a non-technical person I imagine.
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| said by knightmb :I'm sure they will catch where it came from, given the watermarks in the film, but that just means someone else innocent will probably get in trouble Assuming watermarks are tied to specific people/offices, I don't imagine it will take a rocket scientist to determine the culprit. | |
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| Re: Leaked by Bit Torrent? "Assuming watermarks are tied to specific people/offices, I don't imagine it will take a rocket scientist to determine the culprit."
I'd imagine that the watermarks (those rust colored dots that are annoying as hell and in every damn movie nowdays) are pretty easy to beat. All anyone would have to do is edit out the marked frames in any video editor, re-render the file and upload it. Voila! A copy with no fingerprints! | |
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| said by knightmb :It was leaked by someone using Bit Torrent. The summary makes it sound like the BitTorrent creators did it, LOL. That makes about as much sense as assuming that the makers of Colt pistols shot a victim when the news reports say: "Victim was shot by somebody using a Colt pistol". | |
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| Re: Leaked by Bit Torrent? said by NormanS :said by knightmb :It was leaked by someone using Bit Torrent. The summary makes it sound like the BitTorrent creators did it, LOL. That makes about as much sense as assuming that the makers of Colt pistols shot a victim when the news reports say: "Victim was shot by somebody using a Colt pistol". The summary was changed since I made the comment. 
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| Even the changed title "Leaked via Bit Torrent" is not entirely correct. It is not the only place where the Wolverine movie can be found; it is also on Usenet, IRC, and on hosting services such as Rapidshare. And this is after it went through top sites and FTP dumps, which get pirated material first before it ever reaches torrent sites.
So it would be more accurate to say it was leaked to Bit Torrent, and just about everywhere else on the Internet where copyrighted content is traded.
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| Hell has no fury..... Like an MPAA member getting screwed out of some money. In this case I am on the studio's side. But the FBI is like a elephant in a women's panty shop. What do you bet it was a insider working at the studio that posted the working copy.
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| Re: Why? said by hopeflicker :23,636 people Far, far more. No doubt the film is circulating in any number of BT swarms, on ed2k, usenet and other networks. It's not measurable. | |
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| Re: Why? With the increase in circulation caused by the MPAA making sure that this was as high profile an issue as possible.
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| said by Noah Vail :With the increase in circulation caused by the MPAA making sure that this was as high profile an issue as possible. NV yea the MPAA and the RIAA both have not yet learned that high profile and big press releases work against them in cases like this.
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| Oh, believe me, that 24k number is nowhere near how many people already have it, have watched it, and will watch it.
That's not even including copies which leaked on a number of private trackers hours before it went up on public places.
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| Re: Why? I don't think it's so much that but rather people just want to see it before it arrives... kind of like a person who buys a new model car the year before it's release.....
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| said by Nightfall :That and who would actually watch this movie in a crappy quality on their computer and be happy with it? I know I am going to see this movie in the theater when it comes out. I wouldn't waste my time with downloading even a cam version of this movie in full much the less an unfinished copy. First of all, it isn't a cam, it's a workprint, so already the quality is much much better than what you're probably thinking of.
Second of all, it's pretty close to DVD quality, and all that are missing are some CGI scenes and a few other things, which makes it interesting to see as well.
The whole point of this is, however, exactly what you've touched on; people are still going to watch the movie in theatres, definitely.
If anything, the media hoopla surrounding this sensationalist leak and extravagant waste of taxpayer dollars and resources to police private interests is simultaneously worth millions in publicity. Headlines = more $$$ at the box office.
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| Re: Why? said by Nerdtalker :said by Nightfall :That and who would actually watch this movie in a crappy quality on their computer and be happy with it? I know I am going to see this movie in the theater when it comes out. Second of all, it's pretty close to DVD quality, and all that are missing are some CGI scenes and a few other things, which makes it interesting to see as well. Staying away from moral aspects of this getting out and being illegal for a second - The quality was great, enough to view not on a computer, but a large LCD TV. That said, the most fascinating scenes were those that weren't finished, as well as those that didn't have the wires cleaned up (pulling a character up or around on those thin wires.) This is why I always enjoy the show "the making of...." for a good SF film. Irony would be this - the studio sees the interest here, and when this movie goes to DVD, they offer a special two disc set as well, the second disc with 2 working versions, and a stunt-director soundtrack. And it sells far more than they expect.
There's no way to track whether movie ticket sales are hurt or helped by this leak. | |
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| said by Rob :Who would want to watch an unfinished copy anyways? Go to your local car stereo shop and purchase one of the handheld camera bootlegs they sell. If they'll watch that crap, they'll watch this. | |
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| said by Rob :Who would want to watch an unfinished copy anyways? It was actually interested to see the movie without all the fuzz of Special FX, etc. I wasn't going to see it anyway, but after watching the rough version, it's still half-way descent enough to actually make me want to go see it at the theater with all the cool special FX in it. Just goes to show that a movie with a plot and no special FX can be better than the most expensive movie with Special FX that is too boring *cough* Speed Racer *cough*
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| This could be a "booker's" copy.
These are used by people who buy movies for the theaters and book them for whatever amount of time they think it will play.
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| Re: Why? said by uid1307457 :said by Rob :Who would want to watch an unfinished copy anyways? the movie is complete, but unedited  Therefore, it's an unfinished copy | |
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some sfx,,and cg are missing!!,,and some audio fx!!the quality is very close to dvd,,and the movie was watchable!! | |
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| blogs = spin quote:
Simpson closed his online letter with the statement, "If you run a datacenter, please be aware that in our great country, the FBI can come into your place of business at any time and take whatever they want, with no reason."
What made the FBI investigate is a separate issue. If they have a warrant, however procured, that's not "with no reason."
Considering how easy it is to purge evidence, they needed to move fast. If I was Simpson, I'd be trying to get the backups duplicated so I could get my clients back online.
I'm sure he's cooperating to expedite that process. | |
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| Re: blogs = spin said by birdfeedr :What made the FBI investigate is a separate issue. If they have a warrant, however procured, that's not "with no reason." Warrants based on bad testimony? Never!
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You would expect this kind of totalitarian stormtrooper activity in the name of the war on drugs, the war on terror, or etc. But the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation actually did NO investigation. They took the statements of two exemployees of the company, one of which was fired for drug use, and the other of which was also fired...and has a pending FBI investigation against him that he is desperately trying to snitch his way
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If true, it begs the question whether the revenues of a film studio are worth disrupting the revenue streams, connectivity, and 911 services for dozens of other companies. Absolutely not. | |
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| If they were smart... All of these promotional DVD copies of movies that are sent out for people to watch, they would encode each with a unique code so that when they get leaked, could be traced back to the source.
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| Is the datacenter owner going to be charged? It sounds like they are seizing the datacenter as if they are collecting evidence to put Matthew Simpson in jail. Otherwise there would be no reason to conduct a raid, or surround his house.
It would be pretty insane if they are going to raid datacenters and charge the owners and employees rather than just show up with a legal notice requiring the datacenter to take down the offending box and hand it over. As well as provide copies of any available logs.
If this is really connected to Wolverine, it makes no sense. If it is connected to any customer content, it makes no sense. These actions only make sense if Matthew Simpson was directly involved in some kind of digital crime syndicate that he was running out of his datacenters. | |
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All I see is people crying for the poor MPAA member's possible losses. If this was caused by the movie investigation what about Core IP's losses and their customers' losses? Who is going to reimburse them when they're found to not be involved in the slightest?
Perhaps Core IP would be spared such callous action and have Senators and Representatives calling on their behalf if they contributed as much to Federal campaigns as the MPAA does.
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The FBI isn't commenting on specifics but said it could take several days to restore the servers of the affected companies. Officials say they could speed up their analysis of the web servers if the affected companies would contact them.
Wow, how generous of them. God forbid they get off their lazy asses and "speed up analysis" without being begged by decimated companies. | |
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| movies as long as movies stay with the CGI format, there will be theft of the movies. they are easy to steal with a thumb drive. that is part of the reason that the last Indiana Jones movie was not found anywhere until it had been released. it was filmed using traditional film, not all this fancy ass digital animated stuff that hollywood calls films. too many people have access to the computers that have the movies, so without restricting access to the machines, it is an open door for a thief. | |
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| I smell crap! The movie, by most accounts on the web - sucks!
Yeah, it's unfinished and all, but it's a dog.
I'm betting someone is trying to weasel out of paying back the investor's money...
Leaked... yeah, sure. How convenient.
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Or possibly this is a new and improved attempt at getting data centers to play content police now they have the isp's on board?
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| Re: I smell crap! said by DoubleK :Boy if Alfred Hitchcock were alive today. Shhhh! He is. | |
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| hmmmmm.... If this is a "copyright" issue, why are the FBI involved? Are copyright violations now "criminal"? did they have subpoenas? Just fishing or what. I find it annoying that law enforcement is being used for private means. wasting scant resources.Peace
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| Re: hmmmmm.... said by woody7 :If this is a "copyright" issue, why are the FBI involved? Are copyright violations now "criminal"? did they have subpoenas? Just fishing or what. I find it annoying that law enforcement is being used for private means. wasting scant resources.Peace Haven't read that FBI Warning screen that appears on every VHS tape or DVD produced lately, have we? | |
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| Priorities How come the fbi will go all out to stop people who leak movies but wont stop companies who scalp tickets? If the artist sets the price what right do people have to buy all the tickets up and charge over 10 times the amount? As long as big business is on the big money end there's no problem, but as soon as they feel they are getting short changed its time to call in the government. | |
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| I love the PR spin lies. First they say they removed it from the internet, but its called bit torrent so its not removed.
Then they go on saying all the loss of money because of the release, without NO actual ticket sales yet from the movie.
To make it even more comical they say FBI is investigating and can be traced with a watermark. Boy I bet all those thousands of Screeners and workprints already on the internet can attest to how good that works..lol
Lets not beat around the bush and say it like it is.
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| Re: I love the PR spin lies. said by markopoleo :To make it even more comical they say FBI is investigating and can be traced with a watermark. Boy I bet all those thousands of Screeners and workprints already on the internet can attest to how good that works..lol Lets not beat around the bush and say it like it is. The movie industry can't control its own internal movie copies and always deflects outward when it screws up. If the movie "critics" and reviewers aren't bribed, the sheep won't come and it will be a flop. So you must hand out free copies or else you'll get a negative review from just the plot summary and some imagination. | |
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| The MPAA leaked it themselves Think about it. What better way to get publicity about "cracking" down on piracy than to leak your product and then have it blasted all over the news that the FBI is seizing property.
At least this way they may not be going the route of the RIAA trying to sue fluffy the cat.
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| The Xmen movies were a joke period! Not true to the story line, almost everyone I know didnt like the movies. Thought they were a waste of time and money. So yeah could be a whole stunt by the producers.
On another not one of my other frequenting forums I am a part of had an attack of 1200 bots from Amazon.com's cloud service. I wonder if this has anything to do with it. | |
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| Stunt This is pure BS, 20th Century Fox leaked the movie themselves, just think about it, you watch a pre-release movie, missing special effects, unfinished CGI, IF and I say IF the movie is good people will pay for sure to watch the final version. This is a staged stunt to promote the movie. Software makers do that all the time, they leak a limited or missing features version, people download it, use it, but at the end buy it for the complete application. I will watch the movie and probably buy the HDVDV. | |
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| There's no such thing as a free lunch. No one here would work for free, why should anyone else?
Getting 'free' movies will get us no where in the long run. If profits cease, content will suffer. What kind of movies will we be left with there's no money in it for the studio's or independants?
Makes me want to go to the theatre and see Wolverine even though I would normally wait for the DVD to come out.
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