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Comments on news posted 2009-04-03 16:11:59: AT&T today is causing quite a stir among consumer advocates, after the company changed their terms of service (TOS) fine print to (further) restrict streaming and other video services, while exempting their own video services. ..

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TKJunkMail
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 AT&T also added no carrying unused bytes to a new month

...this next part of the revised terms of service affects all DataConnect customers:

quote:
On the 5GB DataConnect Plan, once you exceed your 5GB allowance you will be automatically charged $0.00048 per Kb for any data used. On the 200MB Data Connect Plan, once you exceed your 200MB allowance, you will be automatically charged $10 for an additional 100MB. Unused data from either your initial allowance or any overage allowance (e.g., the 100MB) will not be carried over to the next billing period; all data allowances must be used in the billing period in which the allowance is provided.
Basically, AT&T Wireless wants to spell out that, unlike for voice-plan minutes, it won't carry your unused data to the next month.
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Annoy?

Hey! This is AT&T!
Funneling your data straight to the NSA and reaming you at every point possible!

Woo Hoo!!!

Oh yeah, Kick Ass Robb!
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Shitty coverage where I live, shitty coverage everywhere, now they want to put draconian restrictions on what you can and can't do.

Fuck 'em.


maartena
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Really?

Give me a connection and an IP address. I will decide for myself what to run accross it. Thank you.
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AT&T becoming more and more oppressive...


AT&T is becoming more and more oppressive with their business practices. Caps on the way for U-Verse and their DSL products and now locking out applications from iPhone?

AVonGauss
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Stupid move...

While I can understand and agree that AT&T would not want to facilitate the use of Skype on their network, unfortunately, this is a really stupid move. I am not for big government regulation, but this type of move does force the network neutrality issue back to the forefront. If you're providing a data network, you should not get to decide what does or does not go over it.

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Re: AT&T becoming more and more oppressive...

The change I believe affects more than just iPhone users, it applies to all wireless customers of AT&T Wireless including I believe data card users. Unfortunately, this is not a new characteristic for AT&T, its more of a multi-decade trend.


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reply to Eat Me
Re: Annoy?

best thing you could do is find another carrier.
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Gilitar

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So tired of AT&T

They have gotten to big for their pants once again. I'll be ditching my iPhone and AT&T crappy 3g network soon enough.


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Re: Really?

said by maartena See Profile :

Give me a connection and an IP address. I will decide for myself what to run accross it. Thank you.
Exactly, and I have been doing this for sometime, like teathering to my PC on my PDA, which isn't supposed to work, but WMWiFiRouter works just as it should. Skype Beta works just fine and I have been using Skype just fine for sometime. Mobile IM, streaming video from ORB and youtube, it all works fine.
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No More Slingbox

I guess AT&T is not the carrier to use if you plan on setting up a Slingbox for your smartphone.

JSRoman
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Don't like where this is going.

I got a feeling that this constant back in forth is going to result in there only be one service being provided by x company instead of voice, data and video. Companies are just going to give up and say why go thru this hassle blocking certain programs and just allow everything but now it is going to cost you an arm and a leg to get data services.
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"customer initiated redirection of television or other video or audio signals via any technology from a fixed location to a mobile device"

Is this a response to that idiot on the cruise ship? »Yet Another Ridiculous 3G Bill

I have a slingbox and hava. No way would I use it with my 5GB cap. Roughly 500MB or so for an hour.

Sprint has this same wording in their contract. Everyone who was on Sprint still used it anyways. I used to stream for hours a day a few times a week back when I was on Sprint and they were unlimited muahahaha. But now they have the last laugh and capped everyone


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Out of the contract?

So since AT&T changed their TOS I assume people can call and cancel without an ETF?


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May indicate another problem

All these carriers putting caps and restrictions on their 3G services may indicate another problem I've been predicting: neither EVDO nor HSPA can scale to cope with heavy demand. I see it all the time on Sprint EVDO Rev A here where I live, the laptop card slows to 56Kbps speeds at certain points of the day, despite the signal being strong.
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reply to en102
Re: Annoy?

Already with Verizon for my personal phone.

My work phone/blackberry is AT&T though. Can't even begin to tell you how many times it has dropped calls or made people sound like they're underwater.

And it's not like I'm out in the middle of nowhere. I live in New Jersey.


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Re: Out of the contract?

said by ptrowski See Profile :

So since AT&T changed their TOS I assume people can call and cancel without an ETF?
excellent point! alerting my iPhone toting friends right now...

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reply to ptrowski
good question - huge question - with another iphone coming out in two months I'd love to drop the current contract without the $175 etf and pick up a new phone a year early - so what's the deal, do they actually have to say this contract change applies to my contract or is it assumed?

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Re: Really?

said by Cjaiceman See Profile :

said by maartena See Profile :

Give me a connection and an IP address. I will decide for myself what to run accross it. Thank you.
Exactly, and I have been doing this for sometime, like teathering to my PC on my PDA, which isn't supposed to work, but WMWiFiRouter works just as it should. Skype Beta works just fine and I have been using Skype just fine for sometime. Mobile IM, streaming video from ORB and youtube, it all works fine.
The problem with tethering is that there is no "official" definition. I see tethering as using the "phone as a modem" and not using ICS thus creating a loop hole in the TOS.
One of my beef with AT&T is that they killed the unlimited laptop connect plan because people were using it as a replacement for their home connection. Wait, what? One of their "A+" certified CSRs told me that they couldn't limit the customers, yet they impose limits all the time. The network engineers can't implement QOS? Where is all the money I am paying them going to? What are these people smoking, because obviously it is pretty good stuff?

Providers should not have the ability to impose exceptions on a connection. It should be all or nothing. For those who complain about the speed of 3G, its pretty damn fast. Try GPRS or EDGE and tell me that AT&T's 3G network is slow. Didn't think so. Oh well, until we can get someone in office who will actually slap these companies silly, the honest customers will continue to get reamed while the other people who have PDAs have a data plan that's for regular cell phones (15$ less).


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Re: Out of the contract?

I am one of them. If I can use this to my advantage.....
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