SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Finally...
...someone got it right! This is exactly what we need in the U.S. in order to get some real competition going. ATT and Verizon shudder to think of being a dumb pipe provider, and because of this they end up being the only games in town. If we had a company that just provided the infrastructure and subscribed their lines to Internet service providers you would see an influx of new jobs, competition, and in the end better service for everybody.
Corporate greed keeps this from happening in America. Why can't Obama use that network stimulus money on this sort of idea? |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | too bad itll be filtered to hell and back -.- |
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Absolutely Not
Not a chance in the world, upside down or otherwise. I mean, Australia already tries to censor private networks, I can only imagine that exhaustive morality filtering will be applied to this government built version.
It worries me that this could be used as a powerful tool by those holding positions of power in Australia. Let's just say that I am rather wary about the entire project. It's too easy to go down the path of China and North Korea when deciding what should and should not be accessed over the internet. Politician's will surely agree that sites lambasting their policies would be considered hostile, and should be blacklisted.
No thanks, just give the money back to the tax payers. |
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cchhat01
The Guru
join:2001-05-01
Elmhurst, NY
1 edit | said by jmn1207  :Not a chance in the world, upside down or otherwise. I mean, Australia already tries to censor private networks, I can only imagine that exhaustive morality filtering will be applied to this government built version. It worries me that this could be used as a powerful tool by those holding positions of power in Australia. Let's just say that I am rather wary about the entire project. It's too easy to go down the path of China and North Korea when deciding what should and should not be accessed over the internet. Politician's will surely agree that sites lambasting their policies would be considered hostile, and should be blacklisted. No thanks, just give the money back to the tax payers. I can't imagine a democratic nation would go through such a hassle. In the end, if content is filtered to that level, the number of subscribers will be indicative of the usage. There will be a balance of people who want broadband for cheap and the people who value freedom of speech.
I for one think this is an brilliant idea to drive competition, lower prices, increase subscription, and consumer spending. Plus it looks fantastic for the economy going forward, creating jobs.
My 2 cents
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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And now comes the typical gov't black hole:
But there's a long way to go before the dream of a national broadband network for Australia, a nation of 21 million people, becomes a reality. The government recognizes this, though, noting that it now needs to: organize an "implementation study to determine the company's operating arrangements, detailed network design and ways to attract private sector investment"; roll out fiber links between "cities, major regional centres and rural towns" to address backhaul "black spots"; introduce new legislation to govern the new company and ensure that all greenfield housing developments include fiber access links; and initiate a consultative process that will result in changes to Australia's telecom regulations. If they actually complete 50% in 7 to 8 yrs it will be a major miracle, especially if they experience a chg in which party is in charge in that time.
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Laughing Man
Stand Alone Complex
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join:2008-03-17
Louisville, KY
clubs: | Five bucks says:
That a good portion of the BBR users here will be following this story as it unfolds over the next several years. Any takers? |
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Ignite
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join:2004-03-18
UK
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| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Absolutely Not
said by TKJunkMail :And now comes the typical gov't black hole: But there's a long way to go before the dream of a national broadband network for Australia, a nation of 21 million people, becomes a reality. The government recognizes this, though, noting that it now needs to: organize an "implementation study to determine the company's operating arrangements, detailed network design and ways to attract private sector investment"; roll out fiber links between "cities, major regional centres and rural towns" to address backhaul "black spots"; introduce new legislation to govern the new company and ensure that all greenfield housing developments include fiber access links; and initiate a consultative process that will result in changes to Australia's telecom regulations. If they actually complete 50% in 7 to 8 yrs it will be a major miracle, especially if they experience a chg in which party is in charge in that time. We'll see - their efficiency may surprise you. First step is recognising what you need to do and a lot of these things can be done in parallel. |
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axiomatic
join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX | no chance
If the Auzzies attempt at creating a filtering proxy are any gauge of how successful this will be they should stop now and feed the homeless with this $31 billion. |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
1 edit | fiver? does Karl mean five?
fiver? does Karl mean five?
oh you fixed it good |
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funchords
Hello
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
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| reply to jmn1207
Re: Absolutely Not
said by jmn1207 :Not a chance in the world, upside down or otherwise. I mean, Australia already tries to censor private networks, I can only imagine that exhaustive morality filtering will be applied to this government built version. 100% --
I would get excited about this if it wasn't for Australia's practices of censoring the net.
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cpsycho
join:2008-06-03
Orangeville, ON | Access.....
After complete the only website Auzzies will be able to access is grandmas website on how to knit a quilt. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK
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| reply to SRFireside
Re: Finally...
This idea for a Network is a good idea.... too bad the Ozzie government is hellbent on it's censoring/throttling/blocking stupidity.
Still, this is good for Australia so I have to give thumbs up on it.
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| Uh, no thanks
considering what they try to force on the regular ISP networks with all the filtering and monitoring, i think i'll pass. i can only imagine what will go on once the packets arrive at their gateway servers.
i like the idea, but i just don't trust australia to do a non-filtered/monitored internet service. who knows, maybe will australia (government) will come to their sense by the time it gets implemented, one way or another. |
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winsyrstrife
River City Bounce
Premium
join:2002-04-30
Brooklyn, NY
clubs:
| Look over here!
A - "This filtering sucks!" 
B - "We're going to give you hella fast Internet access!"
A - "OOoooohhhh"  |
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dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to Ignite
Re: Absolutely Not
said by Ignite : We'll see - their efficiency may surprise you. First step is recognising what you need to do and a lot of these things can be done in parallel. Because if government is known for anything, it's their overwhelmingly consistant efficiency 
From what I've heard, broadband access in Australia isn't very good; however this will come in overbudget, past deadline, and with problems of it's own. Look at all the failed muni efforts here in the US. |
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Australia
@gov.au
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Re: fiver? does Karl mean five?
Hold on a second...the government is only "testing" filtering it hasn't been implemented at all!
Also it looks like from all the annoucements we've seen it's unliklely to ever go through.
Finally this is to introduce some real competition in the internet area as Australia has been strangled to death by the monopoly that's Telstra. |
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bombadill
Honest it just fell apart in my hands
Premium
join:2008-11-10
australia
·Internode
| reply to dynodb
Re: Absolutely Not
Hey, dynodb; you are so right.
But; I'll lay good odds that the Pyramids, the Colosseum, the Hoover Dam and any large, and I do mean Humongous, project all came in late, over budget and riddled with all sorts of scams and inefficiencies.
Would you bulldoze any of them??. Of course not.
At least it is a vision and a goal to aim at.
We have down here a good record with big government projects that eventually came good. Snowy River Hydro-Electric Scheme; Sydney Opera House, and now this.
I think it will in the long run be a real winner.  |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Hoover Dam was built UNDER BUDGET AND AHEAD OF TIME
>.> but yea every thing else pretty much |
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Australian
@on.net
| Filtering?
I'm not sure where you guys have gotten the idea that the filter has been implemented, it hasn't...it's only been mentioned and is being trialed.
It's been a huge PR disaster for the government as you can imagine, and they are looking for a way out without losing the support of some of their right wing allies.
The local news reports here seem to think that they will be dropping this issue and will use the new Fibre network to gain the support of their right wing allies in the Senate.
Anyway this is a big step for Australia, and there's no way it would have been done by a private company as the returns would have to be ridiculously low to provide affordable internet for the general public. |
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Somnambul33t
L33t.
Premium
join:2002-12-05
Mullica Hill, NJ
clubs:
·Comcast
|  ehhhh
This is exactly what we DON'T need. the mixture of public and private business is called fascism. it's the fusion of private and public business with centralized control of the national economy. where socialism destroys all economic markets in favor of full government-supported industries, fascism leaves the semblance of a market in place albeit with near complete gov't control. in simplest terms, it might be considered middle ground between capitalism and socialism.
make no mistake, all these hybrid government companies are extremely dangerous for markets, and hence, free nations. when was the last time any government ran anything efficiently? Completely coincidentally, the beheadings of the French Revolution and D-Day are the only events, services, or systems i can think of.
this $31 Billion will turn into $45B, $50B, maybe even $60B. It will be subject to all other government programs, like welfare, so you'll have people with computers handed out by the government getting free broadband. If high speed internet really is so important that everyone NEEDS it, why SHOULDNT the government provide PCs to people "less fortunate"? this flawed logic never ends.
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