TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY 3 edits |
I am sure Wolverine.....would have been more then helpful if the FBI had not invaded the place like a bull in a china store. Core IP Networks could have had things setup so the FBI got what they wanted without disrupting the business's this data center serves. |
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Wolverine is a movie. I think you mean Matthew Simpson. |
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TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY |
said by insomniac84:Wolverine is a movie. I think you mean Matthew Simpson. Thanks for pointing that out. This is what happens when I try writing something before my morning dose of caffeine |
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Tomek Premium Member join:2002-01-30 Valley Stream, NY |
Tomek
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2009-Apr-7 11:48 am
So who would compensategenuine companies operating from that datacenter? They suffered losses, maybe together exceeding that ones from Verizon and ATT. Should they sue the government? |
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jmn1207 Premium Member join:2000-07-19 Sterling, VA |
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Re: I am sure Matthew.....said by Transmaster:would have been more then helpful if the FBI had not invaded the place like a bull in a china store. Core IP Networks could have had things setup so the FBI got what they wanted without disrupting the business's this data center serves. That is most likely true, however, because an informant mentioned the meeting with Faulkner, it was probably more of a "trust but verify" type of action. In other words, Matt is not a suspect in any criminal activity, but it is a remote possibility, and why give him the opportunity to cover his tracks? |
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Re: So who would compensateNormally you can't get anything from the government in the event of a raid or warrant was brought in. Its like if they raid your house and kick your door in, they will not pay for the door. If they take your computers, they do not have to give them back.
The FBI can claim that what they did was required to fully obtain the information they needed for their investigation. |
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RARPSL join:1999-12-08 Suffern, NY |
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Re: I am sure Wolverine.....said by Transmaster:would have been more then helpful if the FBI had not invaded the place like a bull in a china store. Core IP Networks could have had things setup so the FBI got what they wanted without disrupting the business's this data center serves. That assumes that the FBI felt that Simpson was not involved and was an innocent bystander. If he was involved, then asking him to help would be the wrong approach since he could hide or destroy the evidence. While I agree that the FBI screwed up by harming the other companies that were colo'ed there, I can see how they might want to assume the worst possible situation and not involve Simpson in their investigation. |
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Re: So who would compensatesaid by hottboiinnc4:Normally you can't get anything from the government in the event of a raid or warrant was brought in. Its like if they raid your house and kick your door in, they will not pay for the door. If they take your computers, they do not have to give them back. This is only true if you are actually part of the criminal enterprise. They couldn't, for example, steal my neighbor's computer because they thought I had done something wrong. Nor can they keep the equipment unless it was actually used in furtherance of a crime. |
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IanR join:2001-03-22 Fort Mill, SC |
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I supect that no judge would have authorized any such "raid", in such a manne,r had he, or she, known that the likely damages or revenue losses to innocent companies would probably exceed the size of the potential original crime being investigated. Those suffering should hire a lawyer to approach said judge and discuss the situation. Perhasps these 2 parties could agree a course of action. It cannot be that law enforcement can unilaterally create a larger commercial problem than that of the original complaint. |
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jester121 Premium Member join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL |
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Re: I am sure Wolverine.....I was very confused by that, I thought Wolverine was some sort of Conflickr variant or something. Forgot about the movie... |
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Re: So who would compensateThis was a criminal investigation so I'm not sure civil damages are even on the radar. |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium Member join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK Netgear WNDR3700v2 Zoom 5341J
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2009-Apr-7 1:45 pm
said by RadioDoc:This was a criminal investigation so I'm not sure civil damages are even on the radar. Valid point... and if they were, they'd say "Take it up with the crooks.... IE the losses from your downtime are their fault." |
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Re: I am sure Wolverine.....said by RARPSL:That assumes that the FBI felt that Simpson was not involved and was an innocent bystander. If he was involved, then asking him to help would be the wrong approach since he could hide or destroy the evidence. While I agree that the FBI screwed up by harming the other companies that were colo'ed there, I can see how they might want to assume the worst possible situation and not involve Simpson in their investigation. Lets have a "trusted witness" say you operate a kidney laundering and stealing business. Hooker in Vegas hotel style. FBI will be breaking down your door. |
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sivranVive Vivaldi Premium Member join:2003-09-15 Irving, TX |
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Ok, now THAT gave me a laugh |
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SAL678944
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2009-Apr-7 4:18 pm
So..So, whats up with going to Simpson's house and tracking him down like a dog about? |
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Re: So who would compensateYou don't sue the government. You sue the agent who is named in the warrant for failing to take appropriate precautions to avoid harming innocent people. This is the equivalent of having a bad guy shooting at you and shooting and killing every innocent bystander in between you and the bad guy. |
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KrisnatharokPC Builder, Gamer Premium Member join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit |
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Actually, considering that the judges usually were DAs first, they probably have a pretty good idea of what an FBI raid looks like.
At the end of the day, though, the most admission you will get is that the loss in revenue for other businesses is "regrettable".
It would be like the FBI closing your office's street down because some store across from you is laundering crack. You lost business to their "operational security" (OPSEC). You can't sue against that, assuming due diligence on their part. |
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stroonzaa
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2009-Apr-8 3:26 pm
complexityThis pretty much should demonstrate the complexity of co-locations. |
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JohnNWPVNJMH Premium Member join:2007-03-26 Berkeley Heights, NJ 2 edits |
Internal / External Storage DeviceSee List of Items to be Searched or Seized part 4 in the warrant PDF.
How is a "Video Display Monitor" a "storage" device?
They FBI may as well just say the truth in such search warrants and say "everything and anything we want to take we will take" otherwise they risk sounding foolish to any technical minded people. |
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Wow, after fully reading that warrant over some fresh coffee I can say those guys deserve the chair! I can't believe what a web of deception they ran. Out of curiosity a whois on one of their fake companies claims that over 300 domains are associated with the email address noc@crydon.net. I suspect there is allot more fraud that will be uncovered. » whois.domaintools.com/cr ··· tech.net» whois.domaintools.com/crydon.net |
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