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kudos:12 |  Well Said Karl
I canceled all my TW services, not just my Road Runner service. When asked what they could do to retain me (and my $100/month) I said "After the trial, don't go forward with usage based billing." | |
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| Re: Well Said Karl Matt, if only I *could* cancel all my services. TWC is my only choice for TV out here. No satellites allowed due to historical building status. (And I looked at doing a community dish and the cost to wire the whole building is astronomical.) And FastAccess DSL is limited to 3.0x384 out here b/c of the remote DSLAM we're on.
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| Re: Well Said Karl Personally, I would rather go back to slower speeds if it means I am not capped, although 3/384 is really the BARE MINIMUM I would take, as I need to channel Vonage over the upload stream as well.
Also, if you have a window facing DUE SOUTH, you may be able to place a dish inside the window as well. See here for details: »www.allegiantinc.com/ | |
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Saxapahaw, NC Reviews:
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| Re: Well Said Karl Good thought but my windows are energy efficient, non-transmissive. I'm one of few out here w/ a southern exposure but even XM/Sirius doesn't work through our windows.
And we can't replace our window panes b/c they're historical equivalents... i.e. not the run of the mill windows you'd find in a apartment somewhere. I already had a friend who works for SafeLite take a look at them. We can't just open the window either... our windows are tilt outs, not slide ups.
So I'm officially stuck w/ Time Warner if I want Cable TV unless AT&T gets their butts in gear and manages to put UVerse out here.
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| Re: Well Said Karl said by Vathral:nice margin break there What margin break...
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Millersburg, OH | Re: Well Said Karl said by KrK:said by Vathral:nice margin break there What margin break... What is a margin break ? | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Well Said Karl said by wvcaver:said by KrK:said by Vathral:nice margin break there What margin break... What is a margin break ? I think the original picture was large enough to throw off the format of the page. It appears that it was corrected.
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| Ahem... *Historical* building. On the National Register of Historic Places. Did you miss that? That means: legally prevented from having anything outside that is out of character with the building.
According to Federal Regulation 36 CFR § 800.5(a)(1), the installation of a satellite dish is an undertaking that may alter, directly or indirectly, any of the characteristics of a historic property for inclusion in the National Register in a manner that would diminish the integrity of the property's location, design, setting, materials, workmanship, feeling, or association. Specifically, the undertaking will result in: The introduction of visual, atmospheric or audible elements that diminish the integrity of the property's significant historic features.
PS... Scale your pictures next time so they don't break the layout of the page. 800x600 is the biggest you can post and still be nice to the layout.
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1 edit | Re: Well Said Karl You can still put the dish outside. It doesn't have to be an eyesore or on the building. Also because they receive the signal from an upwards angle, I've even seen them hidden behind fences, landscaping, etc and yet they still work.
There's a lot of aftermarket camoflage products available. See the Dish in the foreground of this picture for example.
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Saxapahaw, NC Reviews:
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| Re: Well Said Karl We're in a renovated cotton mill. All brick. No personal non-public areas. No balconies. No roof access. And you can't replace the windows - or open them to get the out of the way.
Even camoflage installations are impossible here - and impossible on many other historic structures in our area.
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1 edit | Re: Well Said Karl That sounds pretty cool--- is it a flat roof? They make non penetrating roof mounts (poor man version: Pallet with concrete bags on it for weight) or nice fold out ones/metal ones.
Wow just googled some pictures of renovated Cotton mills around the country. Awesome.... think like loft apartments, etc etc. I also see your problem. Your "home" isn't exactly a home, is it. It's a multiple family dwelling?
No "personal" yard... all "common" areas. Yeah this is trickier then average....
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Saxapahaw, NC Reviews:
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| Re: Well Said Karl You can't put anything on the roof since it would be seen. We're built into hills. You can see straight across the roof from the upper parking lot and the upper mill - which is presently under rennovation to become condos and offices.
»www.flickr.com/photos/rax262/353320779/
»www.flickr.com/photos/ljabbottjr/2105754993/
Great place to call home. But the trade-off is personal space outside and a choice in carriers. We're 15 minutes from anything you would call "civilization".
For that trade-off, I get: 1) front door that opens to the river, 2) USPS Post Office across the street (everyone out here has a PO Box, no physical street delivery) where the Postmaster works the window herself, and 3) 5-Star "gas station" up the hill that serves grilled duck breast salads, goat burgers, locally raised beef brisket, homemade pizza, etc.
»saxapahawgeneralstore.blogspot.com/
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| Re: Well Said Karl The biggest problem is that it is indeed a multiple dwelling unit (very nice one) and so the owner (of your unit, you) isn't free to roam all over the property looking for somewhere to place a Dish/run cable.
For example that flat roof on that lower story part that sticks out of the main building (Probably once the offices or something) would be ideal for a non penetrating roof mount and would be low profile enough not to be visible except from above. Problem is then is running cable back to your unit. It would require at the very least permission from the properties HOA.
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Franklin, TN | said by davoice:Ahem... *Historical* building. On the National Register of Historic Places. Did you miss that? That means: legally prevented from having anything outside that is out of character with the building. According to Federal Regulation 36 CFR § 800.5(a)(1), the installation of a satellite dish is an undertaking that may alter, directly or indirectly, any of the characteristics of a historic property for inclusion in the National Register in a manner that would diminish the integrity of the property's location, design, setting, materials, workmanship, feeling, or association. Specifically, the undertaking will result in: The introduction of visual, atmospheric or audible elements that diminish the integrity of the property's significant historic features. PS... Scale your pictures next time so they don't break the layout of the page. 800x600 is the biggest you can post and still be nice to the layout. }Davoice Actually, the law is on your side. If you wanted to, they couldn't do anything about it legally. They could still make your life hell for other things, but you can still give them the finger and put up the dish if you really wanted to. But you don't want to burn any bridges, so instead, just buy a dish enclosure that looks like some structure that will keep it from standing out (some use fake rocks, trees, plants, etc) and you'll have at least dish service. Internet wise though, the dish service is quite a big slower.
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| Re: Well Said Karl said by knightmb:Actually, the law is on your side. If you wanted to, they couldn't do anything about it legally. I dunno about that... I've heard there's pretty strict laws in effect about historical homes. As in no you can't do what you want.....just buy a dish enclosure that looks like some structure that will keep it from standing out (some use fake rocks, trees, plants, etc) and you'll have at least dish service. Internet wise though, the dish service is quite a big slower. This part I agree 100%
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| The law around historical buildings is quite strict. So no, the law is not on my side. You can't do *anything* that visually, architecturally or structurally degrades the property in any way whatsoever.
That even goes so far as to dictate what kinds of blinds and curtains can be displayed in windows. If I could replace my window panes, I would have to have my blinds down on that window at all times. The dish couldn't be seen.
(And since my windows face our 'boardwalk', river and public entry to the river we're on the banks of, I have very visible windows and everyone would notice.)
Likewise there's nowhere to put fake rocks, trees or plants. We can't have anything that big outside our doors anyway. What goes outside my door can't impeed the sidewalk it opens onto - which limits me to items no thicker than 6". There is no grass or personal space of mine outside my door.
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4 edits | Re: Well Said Karl said by davoice:The law around historical buildings is quite strict. So no, the law is not on my side. You can't do *anything* that visually, architecturally or structurally degrades the property in any way whatsoever. Federal Law trumps whatever rules/laws historic district requires.
»www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html
edit: "The rule allows local governments, community associations and landlords to enforce restrictions that do not impair the installation, maintenance or use of the types of antennas described above, as well as restrictions needed for safety or historic preservation. The rule does not prohibit legitimate safety restrictions or restrictions designed to preserve designated or eligible historic or prehistoric properties, provided the restriction is no more burdensome than necessary to accomplish the safety or preservation purpose. "
i keep going back and forth on this, but i think you the law is still on your side. | |
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| Re: Well Said Karl From the same link:
"Restrictions necessary for historic preservation also may be permitted even if they impair installation, maintenance or use of the antenna. To qualify for this exemption, the property may be any prehistoric or historic district, site, building, structure or object included in, or eligible for inclusion on, the National Register of Historic Places. In addition, restrictions necessary for historic preservation must be no more burdensome than necessary to accomplish the historic preservation goal. They also must be imposed and enforced in a non-discriminatory manner, as compared to other modern structures that are comparable in size and weight and to which local regulation would normally apply." | |
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00000 | Re: Well Said Karl Is there an FCC ruling on file re: your property or the historic area? As I read it, you can petition the FCC regarding an antenna restriction if you follow the instructions here: »www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/co···ish.html
I understand that preservation of a historic building is important, but to restrict installation of a satellite dish anywhere on your building or property is extreme. Just because it is in a historic building doesn't automatically make the satellite/antenna ruling invalid. | |
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Saxapahaw, NC Reviews:
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1 edit | Re: Well Said Karl Court rulings have given buildings on the Register of Historic Places pretty much carte blanche to do whatever is necessary to protect the visual look of the building.
Since you can't drill into the brick or concrete, there's no ground access, and no personal areas to place a non-penetrating mount on, and we can't change out the window panes, then yes, we are basically prohibited from using satellite.
Face it guys... there ARE places where you can't legally use satellite dishes.
The owners are open to doing a community dish but fishing all the wiring to each unit would be an astronomical sum due to the labor involved. There are no conduits in place that can be used. The ceilings are plaster or open wood beams - not sheetrock. And Time Warner ran their own home-run cables to their taps outside the building during the building construction. So you can't use re-use the cable in the buildings. It would be all retrofit within an existing concrete and brick structure and that equals a lot of labor.
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Riverhead, NY | No offense...
Why the hell would you want to live somewhere like that? I do like the old look and feel aspect....but do they also tell you want time to use the bathroom and only to buy Charmin double ply?
I draw the line at them limiting my choice of blinds. I'll be dammed the day I need to replace those hefty's with some cloth! | |
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| Re: Well Said Karl »www.flickr.com/photos/rax262/353320779/
»www.flickr.com/photos/ljabbottjr/2105754993/
Great place to call home. But the trade-off is personal space outside and a choice in carriers. We're 15 minutes from anything you would call "civilization".
For that trade-off, I get: 1) front door that opens to the river, 2) USPS Post Office across the street (everyone out here has a PO Box, no physical street delivery) where the Postmaster works the window herself, and 3) 5-Star "gas station" up the hill that serves grilled duck breast salads, goat burgers, locally raised beef brisket, homemade pizza, etc.
»saxapahawgeneralstore.blogspot.com/
Oh.. and I forgot, we have 2 of the best charter schools in the county up the hill too. One of which is one of the best charter high schools in the state.
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kudos:12 | Re: Well Said Karl Look great davoice  . I had a friend who used to live an old, HUGE, plantation house in Saxapahaw. It's beautiful out there. | |
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| said by maartena:Personally, I would rather go back to slower speeds if it means I am not capped, although 3/384 is really the BARE MINIMUM I would take, as I need to channel Vonage over the upload stream as well. Also, if you have a window facing DUE SOUTH, you may be able to place a dish inside the window as well. See here for details: » www.allegiantinc.com/ I would rather dump roadrunner the most shitty ISP in existence... even if there isn't an alternative
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| Support of CAPS....If.... Lower Caps means Lower $$$$$.
Grandma that checks her email once a week shouldnt have to pay as much as someone who lives online. Its worked that way with phone service (landline and cellular) for years, the more minutes you use, the more you pay.
There also has to be easy, and legitimate way to track all data usage. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Support of CAPS....If.... Lower caps and or a metered plan WOULD be good for low end users, like granny. However, they aren't going to lower the price when they slap the cap on, so no matter how they try to paint this, it's a rate increase.. Pay more, get less.
If they want to add a metered billing, they should offer it IN ADDITION to their current flat rate plans, cap free, or reasonable monitoring, and introduce lower billed plans with insane caps, like 2 or 3 gb with $1 per gig over. We'll see just how fast people move off those plans.. OR, how some people, like granny emailing her kids around the country, will benefit from the lower rate becuase of.. most important.. lower use! .. which is what they want anyway. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Support of CAPS....If.... its fine TW will drive themselves into the ground and comcast might buy them and fix the mess
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kudos:1 | Re: Support of CAPS....If.... said by DarkLogix:its fine TW will drive themselves into the ground and comcast might buy them and fix the mess Wrong, control the wires and you automatically have a customer pool that no matter what you do will never leave. Even Adelphia had customers and was profitable ignoring financial fraud by its execs. | |
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Denton, TX | Re: Support of CAPS....If.... Yup... that's the whole reason Charter Communications is still in business. The absolute WORST service on every level. | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | said by fiberguy:Lower caps and or a metered plan WOULD be good for low end users, like granny. However, they aren't going to lower the price when they slap the cap on, so no matter how they try to paint this, it's a rate increase.. Pay more, get less. If they want to add a metered billing, they should offer it IN ADDITION to their current flat rate plans, cap free, or reasonable monitoring, and introduce lower billed plans with insane caps, like 2 or 3 gb with $1 per gig over. We'll see just how fast people move off those plans.. OR, how some people, like granny emailing her kids around the country, will benefit from the lower rate becuase of.. most important.. lower use! .. which is what they want anyway. bingo have a capped super cheap plan for the turns the computer on once a day to check emails and then goes to watch more QVC crowd.
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| said by baineschile:Lower Caps means Lower $$$$$. Grandma that checks her email once a week shouldnt have to pay as much as someone who lives online. Its worked that way with phone service (landline and cellular) for years, the more minutes you use, the more you pay. There also has to be easy, and legitimate way to track all data usage. I would not mind caps so much if they treat it like any other utility. In other words, you pay anywhere from $3 to $8 to keep the service connected, just like gas, water, and electricity fees, and then you pay for usage on top of that.
I am already paying $55 for my internet, and they want to let me pay for usage on top of that? No way.
This is just PURE GREED. I can understand a cap of 250 gb like Comcast has. It will stop the massive downloaders and warez-kings, which are probably less then 5% of the users.
But any cap less then 100 Gb is just an insult to 21st century internet development, especially with XBox movies, NetFlix and similar services out there. | |
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Sterling Heights, MI | Re: Support of CAPS....If.... You should check out this thread | |
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Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Well Said Karl said by Matt:Very well put. I canceled all my TW services, not just my Road Runner service. When asked what they could do to retain me (and my $100/month) I said "After the trial, don't go forward with usage based billing." And where did you go?
Every thread on DSLR starts with "I cancelled ______ with [evil company]". Your statistic is meaningless in the big picture. For every person that left, 100 will sign up today. | |
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Sterling Heights, MI | Re: Well Said Karl Not necessarily. With UVerse, FiOS, and IPTV around the corner, every lost customer is going to be more of an impact | |
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You can get something from me with no caps, or nothing from me with caps. Your choice, ISPs. | |
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Saxapahaw, NC Reviews:
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| Greensboro upload speeds prove real motives The upload speeds in the Greensboro market prove the real motive - greed.
Upload speeds here have not been updated in at least 5 years. I think it's more like 8 but haven't been able to confirm that.
Top residential upload speed here - on TURBO! - 512kbps. Standard = 384. Basic = 256. Lite = 128.
They want to bilk more money from a market they have neglected to keep current. That's all there is to it.
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: No They Don't I find this statement to be utterly laughable:
said by TWCs wildly thrashing PR Department :
As the amount of usage has dramatically diverged among users, this is becoming inherently unfair and not the way most consumers want to pay for goods they consume. If this is true for data than it is also true for TV. Therefore I only want to pay for the cable TV I actually watch.
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join:2002-09-23 | Re: No They Don't said by RadioDoc:I find this statement to be utterly laughable: said by TWCs wildly thrashing PR Department :
As the amount of usage has dramatically diverged among users, this is becoming inherently unfair . . . They are exploiting the currently wildly popular though absurd liberal mindset that fairness, rather than achievement, is the greatest cultural virtue, which in a free society of course is laughable.
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join:2002-09-23 | Re: No They Don't said by RadioDoc:Oops, sorry. I thought I posted on the front page in a cable story and not in the red room. They are exploiting the currently wildly popular though absurd progressive mindset that fairness, rather than achievement, is the greatest cultural virtue, which in a free society of course is laughable.
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: No They Don't Still looks like a leak from the political drivel forums. | |
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kudos:1 | Our survey said you wanted this! I always laugh when i see companies response in this way. What they are really saying is, "We did an internal survey of our executives, and they said you wanted this "
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kudos:1 | Re: Time Warner COO: said by ninjatutle:Don't ask for a govt handout when your Co tanks. "We stimulate the economy by having employees and shareholders, dividends get invested back on Wall Street to source mortgages for minorities and women, you wouldn't be saying you don't want to help minorities now are you? so gimme gimme gimme" ~ CFO of TW | |
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1 edit | Is TW monopoly? Why all of your complaint about it. Why do you care? Free market will make it's own adjustments to the pricing policy. Unless TW is monopoly then it's entirely different issue. I'm on FIOS and never will look back but even during Verizon DSL I would just switch back to DSL if they would try to pull this thing off. | |
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1 edit | Corporate execs delusional Spin spin spin. Meanwhile this spin doesn't cover up the fact that this is an and-up price increase.
Those they claim who don't use a lot of service, yet are "required to pay" the same as the so-called hogs, will NEVER see a price cut.
If they are truly going to apply their twisted logic, that person only checking their email once a day should pay a $5 connectivity charge and that is it. But alas, that person checking their email once a day will still get throttled at $45.
Note to TWC, if you're gonna just take a price increase, then have the balls to just say you want more money for less service like your competitors do.
said by TW Spokeshole :
When you go to lunch with a friend, do you split the bill in half if he gets the steak and you have a salad?
Ah, so TWC's plan is to charge them both for steak and then charge the guy who wants a steak a "how dare you expect steak for the steak price fee". | |
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ll be hard) but the fastest way to get a companies attention is to stop using their service.
look what happens when pple stop using a product,
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the pple that continue to use the service end uppaying higher proce to make up for those that aren't paying or have dropped their service.
I used Uverse less then 1 week,now I'am geting all kinds of offers to try it again, "NO WAY",
if you live in an apt &cb;e is the on;y thing available for tv/phone/internet, well there are other companies then TW
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00000 | the only way to get their attention is to cancel all your services with Time Warner and when you do cancel, tell them the reason why.
THAT is the only way to get their attention: $$$ | |
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| | | | Re: Want to tell T,W, . what U want said by morbo:the only way to get their attention is to cancel all your services with Time Warner and when you do cancel, tell them the reason why. THAT is the only way to get their attention: $$$ Agreed | |
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| | | | said by morbo:the only way to get their attention is to cancel all your services with Time Warner and when you do cancel, tell them the reason why. THAT is the only way to get their attention: $$$ Agreed. NATIONAL QUIT CABLE DAY is June 30, 2010.
That includes FIOS and Satellite as well. Make a statement! | |
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| | | This stuff never accomplishes anything. Best way to get Time Warner's attention is to cancel your service with them. "not use any pf their internet service for a week or so, not just an individual but as many pple ss you can get" will just increase their profits. You're right, there are other options for people who live in an apt besides cb;e, other "then" TW.
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By charging these insane overages fees they can price their competitors out of the market. This abuse of market position to stop competitors warrants an investigation on antitrust grounds. | |
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join:2001-08-07
Elk Grove, CA
kudos:1
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| G- - Damnit! What darn school teaches these guys how to try this lame-a-- s---, then try to form a cogent argument for the very same lame-a-- s---? I mean really! What a Dumb A-- moron this guy is! 
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|  mrchrisOut and aroundPremium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Re: G- - Damnit! You didn't need to censor that. 
We're all pretty openminded when venting. | |
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Kernersville, NC Reviews:
·RoadRunner Cable
| Cancel service- only way to get their attention I turned in my HD DVR last week to Time Warner once this news broke and switched to Dish Network (cheaper, more HD, better DVR with 500GB storage and no fee). Come fall, if something doesn't change drastically, they will get my cable modem back too and lose my business all together.
Only way to get their attention is hitting them in the wallet. $$$ is the only thing that these CEO's understand.
And to be fair, I'd be more than willing to stay if the caps were reasonable like Comcast's 250GB/month. 40GB/month? Absolutely ridiculous. | |
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mrchrisOut and aroundPremium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Full of it Bullshit.
As usual, they are twisting the facts to their own wants, since the consumer does NOT want metered billing. | |
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 tschmidtPremium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
kudos:5
·Fairpoint Commun..
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| Flate Rate vs Incremental Billing Interesting assertion since as far as I know consumers have always expressed strong presence for flat rate deterministic billing. It has been shown to encourage experimentation since there is no down side to playing around. On the other hand even tiny costs discourage usage - which is why I assume Cable Companies are trying to implement it. Plus they have to be scared to death of Internet content delivery.
I refer the interested reader to:
Internet pricing and the history of communications by Andrew Odlyzko. Paper was written while he was at AT&T he is now at University of Minnesota.
Network Neutrality, Search Neutrality, and the Never-ending Conflict
between Efficiency and Fairness in Markets
»www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/
First-mile service providers need to come to terms with and develop business model based on delivering bits. They may very well succeed in providing other services as a convenience but if they use technology to disadvantage competitors they risk angering customers and encouraging government regulation. Game is theirs to loose.
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| KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
| Re: Flate Rate vs Incremental Billing said by tschmidt:They use technology to disadvantage competitors they risk angering customers and encouraging government regulation. Game is theirs to loose. Oh Please, Please, let it be so....
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| elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
join:2006-08-30
HarperLand Reviews:
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| Re: Maybe if it was 100/100... said by Nsane_iceman:Yeah maybe metered would be ok if it was $1 per 10GB (or a "fair" price), with 100/100 and 32ms pings to everywhere, even to that 14.4 modem in Manitoba, Canada... Sorry to say, we just upgraded to 33.3
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| | | | Re: Maybe if it was 100/100... said by elwoodblues:said by Nsane_iceman:Yeah maybe metered would be ok if it was $1 per 10GB (or a "fair" price), with 100/100 and 32ms pings to everywhere, even to that 14.4 modem in Manitoba, Canada... Sorry to say, we just upgraded to 33.3 Thanks for playing along.
Didn't mean it as a dis, just thought of somewhere kinda far and tad remote.
Hope Toronto is well, might be going up there for a work trip, but I hear that's not what I need to tell customs...
One of our networking engineers said he was up there to work and a customs guy told him he was not, he said "My company sent me up here to work and that's what I am going to do!", and they sent him back packin'... | |
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 batageekSlave To The DuopolyPremium
join:2003-01-25 | CLOWNSHOES Jesus...These guys can't even lie well. Who believes this garbage? And the mainstream press can't seem to find the stones to call them on it...
More koolaid please...
UGH..UGH..Double-effin...UGH.
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| | | Re: CLOWNSHOES You're talking about Time Warner. They ARE the mainstream press. | |
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| | Metered Broadband Am I glad that I live in Germany, where I can chose between Telekom DSL, Telekom VDSL, Municipal Broadband, Vodafone DSL, O2 DSL, Kabeldeutschland Cable, Alice Cable and a sleuth of smaller providers. Americans like to label Europeans socialist. If socialism gives me a choice, than I like living in socialism. Other than Mobile Broadband nobody meters anything. | |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
| Have cake and eat it too... They want to massively overcharge casual and light users with an extremely high profit margin.
.... and they also want to massively overcharge normal and heavy and extremely heavy users as well, also with an extremely high profit margin.... and they want to curtail people from using the Internet to download TV and video needs, so that they will be "encouraged" to keep paying for Cable TV.
Yes, consumers want to pay 10 times more to get 10 times less! Of course they do! 
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join:2005-01-19
Los Alamitos, CA | Re: Have cake and eat it too... Yah but in the end most of the world is watching American produced TV/Movies; yeah they all seem to have that one crazy late night talk show host but in the end it is all about show like Heroes, Lost, 24, Terminator, etc.
I mean how much anime can the Japanese really transfer with their super high speeds.
Blu-Ray and HD will hopefully make them change their minds once Youtube adopts HD. | |
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | Do executives have a clue? Or are they playing stupid? | |
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|  fireflierCoffee. . .Need CoffeePremium
join:2001-05-25
Limbo | Re: Do executives have a clue? They're not playing. This COO really is that stupid. | |
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