StudioTech
S2409W plus SA4250HD
join:2001-10-10
Edison, NJ | They don't dare at this point
Not with Fios breathing down their neck. |
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC | Very nice Juxtaposition
Very nice Juxtaposition to »Time Warner COO: Metered Billing Is What Consumers Want |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| More people are less stupid in NY Metro..
Whichever provider gives them the best 'bang for the buck' will have a sizeable chunk of the broadband market and will be profitable for future upgrades when they become necessary. What the other 4/5ths of the cable industry is heading for is a showdown with last mile telcos.
Down the line, one of three things will happen:
1. AT&T joins the cable industry in putting hard data bit number caps into it's broadband dsl package (a really stupid, short sighted move) which will move the rest of the industry that way.
2. AT&T gets serious about last mile upgrades and moves into FTTP 50-200mbit with g(X)ons.
3. A political firestorm over non-competitive markets will force some regulatory reforms which say that both last mile providers can't force customers to buy bit capped packages only.
In reality, they should be offering these bit capped deals at a substantial discount to their current unlimited offerings. To do anything else is to say that the cable industry in it's majority view has substantially changed terms of service to protect it's core VIDEO business-- and that's just the way it's going to be.
If AT&T decides to join the party.. maybe congress should revisit the issue of letting Telcos getting into the video business in the first place. As a carrot and stick.. IMO, I would use the VOIP as the bait to keeping the cable companies playing fair with last mile broadband.. you want to play cute.. either you'll be banned from providing VOIP services.. or we'll find a way to tax your business so much it wouldn't be worth billing by the byte (or with hard data caps) anymore.
Cablevision has a long-term perspective.. the rest of the industry is cutting into their broadband market to spite their video coax face. |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| reply to funchords
Re: Very nice Juxtaposition
Well, obviously customers want to confuse themselves. Shesh. Do the marketing drones have to spell everything out for the us. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | FUD
The Cable Internet is "shared" FUD used to work for me. Then I realized even if my cable 1/6th what is should be, its still faster then DSL. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to tmc8080
Re: More people are less stupid in NY Metro..
said by tmc8080  :If AT&T decides to join the party.. maybe congress should revisit the issue of letting Telcos getting into the video business in the first place. As a carrot and stick.. IMO, I would use the VOIP as the bait to keeping the cable companies playing fair with last mile broadband.. you want to play cute.. either you'll be banned from providing VOIP services.. or we'll find a way to tax your business so much it wouldn't be worth billing by the byte (or with hard data caps) anymore. But deregulation means more free market rights and less civil rights violations for corporations! |
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
Premium
join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
clubs:
 ·Optimum Online
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Vonage
·magicjack.com
1 edit | reply to patcat88
Re: FUD
said by patcat88 :The Cable Internet is "shared" FUD used to work for me. Then I realized even if my cable 1/6th what is should be, its still faster then DSL. Assuming you're on CV's Boost package with Optimum Online, (30/5), 1/6th of the download would be 5MB and 1/6th of the upload would be about 768kbps - still significantly slower than Fios's 50/5 in this competitive market. 
On the more serious side, kudos for CV (and for Verizon) on no "per-byte" billing. For me, per-byte billing is an innovation killer.
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"Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
[my ramblings] |
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·Skype
| reply to patcat88
said by patcat88 :The Cable Internet is "shared" FUD used to work for me. Then I realized even if my cable 1/6th what is should be, its still faster then DSL. Exactamundo. Give consumers the truth. They can handle the truth. No need to pretend cable is fiber. Cable is good enough or better than DSL for most people, no liespretending required.
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Skype
| reply to tmc8080
Re: More people are less stupid in NY Metro..
said by tmc8080 :1. AT&T joins the cable industry in putting hard data bit number caps into it's broadband dsl package (a really stupid, short sighted move) which will move the rest of the industry that way. I've never been an AT&T customer (at least not in this incarnation), but from the outside looking in, it appears that this company has no vision or goals and changes as the wind blows. I've realized that there is a pattern to AT&T.
1. Hear some half-baked idea that consumers will hate.
2. Immediately announce it as something you'll implement within the next year, and then don't.
3. Pretend nobody knows what they're talking about when they ask you later why it never happened, or,
4. Dabble in the dumb idea and then apologize if caught.
5. Wait until the last minute, then,
6. Wait more.
This is management by trial balloon. They go every direction at once resulting in no actual progress.
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Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- World Traveller -- KJ7RL
... Do something! ... |
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dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| Faster speeds = more caps
The faster broadband speeds get, the more we're going to see caps implemented. Perhaps not the ridiculously low 5GB variety that TW has proposed, but it's only a matter of time before everyone institutes caps.
Back in the days when 640k or 1.5M was the norm, it wasn't so much an issue- even a DS3 could handle quite a few users even with a few "power users".
Start increasing speeds to 20M, 50M or 100M and suddenly even a GigE trunk is at risk of getting congested with enough heavy users.
What we're seeing now is just the beginning. I'm not sure about metered billing, but caps are likely in everyone's future. |
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Pizz
Hi
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
| Cablevision get's it.
Out of all the major MSO's in this nation, Cablevision, gets the idea of being an industry leader, not a passer-by (Time Warner Cable). They've also brunt the storm and took on major player FIOS and arent bleeding as bad, as people expected. My hats off to them, i still wish i lived in a Cablevision service area.
And i'm not a shareholder or employee!
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The more you talk, the less you listen. |
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zed260
join:2007-09-30
Cleveland, TN | id love to live in cablvsion area to |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA | reply to Pizz
me too |
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Bytezboy
join:2001-05-17
New York, NY | reply to Pizz
Don't forget cablevision will cap you upload speed if you upload too much. |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| How True Metered Billing should work
If a company wants to go to metered billing it should be structured in one of two ways:
1) You get a fixed monthly charge (for your connection) and a designed usage charge. IOW: $X/Month and $Y/GB.
2) You get a fixed monthly charge (for your connection) with a designated GB allowance of Y/GB. If you exceed Y GB in a month then you pay an overage charge per GB that is NO MORE than the monthly charge divided by the GB allowance. IOW: You pay $X/Month and get a Y GB allowance. When/If you exceed that allowance the overage MUST be no more than $X/Y per GB.
ALL of the so called "metered" plans are of the second type EXCEPT that they charge an overage fee that is way out of line with the initial charge. A fair plan IMO, should be both plans with the user getting charged the lessor of the two charges (so low usage users get charged for their actual usage). An alternative is having the second plan offer "roll-over" GB as opposed to "Use Them or Lose Them" GBs (with the monthly fee dropping down to a lower tier's usage cap if the account is under used for 3 months until the roll-over minutes are burned off). |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to funchords
Re: More people are less stupid in NY Metro..
If you are a customer you learn early on to just ignore what they say and wait to see what they actually do. This started with Big Ed shooting his mouth off. What I do know is that I am paying $10 less a month than Comcast wants for the same speed tier, and at the moment there are no restrictions on DSL use unlike what Comcast imposes (no servers, usage caps, etc.).
I don't think they even bother with the balloons. Some AT&T marketing droid farts out some stupid idea and then they all watch the reaction. |
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doppler
join:2003-03-31
Blue Point, NY
| reply to Bytezboy
Re: Cablevision get's it.
said by Bytezboy :Don't forget cablevision will cap you upload speed if you upload too much. Pay the extra for boost service, capping is not a problem.
Be cheap about a great service, you get what you deserve. |
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ace41690
join:2003-01-24
Northfield, CT | reply to Bytezboy
This hasnt been reported in forever, they dont cap anymore! |
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xirian
Premium
join:2003-01-26
Beacon, NY | reply to Bytezboy
not in years |
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decifal
join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
| i like throttleling
I like the idea of throttling people that consume constant large amounts of data to lesser priority on data packets than ones that do not. That way gamers shouldn't be affected due to the fact that games don't really relay that much data to play.. And if your downloading movies/porn/games/whatever, then the throttle won't truely hamper you that much.. Its not like shooting at an enemy and trying to move out before he/she/it retalliates. The download will still finish in very good time and you'll be fine..
Don't get me wrong though.. Someone streamlining a video here and there to me imo shouldn't be throttled.. Just the kiddies that treats their dsl/cable connection like its a dedicated T1 connection just for their excessive doings.. Its not perfect, but it beats the hell outta 5 gig a month caps with 1 gig overages, and your still paying 55 a month to boot!! That's pathetic on bell company's part for using tax dollars to partically fund their network just to turn around and do this sorta thing..
I demand regulation |
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