rudnicke
Premium
join:2004-10-23
Rantoul, IL
1 edit | Gonna loose customers?
Think they will lose a lot of customers over this?
EDIT: Spelling correction. |
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elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
| It will move forward
No matter what the outrage, this will go ahead, who is going to stop them?
Consumers have very little choice when it comes to Internet providers.
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
 ·PenTeleData
 ·Future Nine Corpor..
·VOIPo
·Vonage
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Re: Gonna loose customers?
said by rudnicke  :Think they will loose a lot of customers over this? Got any loose customers? I need some for the vending machine.
har de har har har  |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | reply to rudnicke
They'll go bankrupt then maybe a better cable ISP will buy them |
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rcabor
join:2007-04-17
Grand Prairie, TX
| Funny
Its funny how they want to charge more so they can upgrade to Docsis 3.0, but why if the caps are so low would "customers want" that? And with the argument that using more than 50 gigs per month degrades other users performance, why are they willing to let bandwith hogs continue to do as long as TW rapes them at $1 per gig?
Just sickens me everytime I think of the greed they package as shit, but try to sell as roses. |
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zod5000
join:2003-10-21
Edmonton, AB
·TELUS
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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Re: It will move forward
said by elwoodblues :No matter what the outrage, this will go ahead, who is going to stop them? Consumers have very little choice when it comes to Internet providers. Well typically in most cities, theres a cable internet provider and dsl internet provider. Hopefully whoever the DSL provider is in the areas takes advantage of this and exploit the hell out of it. |
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Mang
@yahoo.com
| How does this logic work...
So if everyone is catching on to this BS that TWC is giving... how long till they go after the mobile phone companies for charging SMS fee's (double dipping for both sending and receiving) @ 0.20 cents each message?
$1 per GB or $0.40 per SMS (about 160 characters)
Which is a bigger rip off? |
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ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
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Re: It will move forward
Possibly, but look at what happened in Lafayette. Cox and BellSouth were providing awful service, so the city built its own network. Granted, not every city will do this, but the threat will be there, and we have yet to see what the new administration might do in terms of broadband policy. And let's not forget the possibility of using white space for data, as well as WiMax.
If I were planning this strategy for TW, I'd be careful. Their position may be secure now, but things can change pretty quickly. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | reply to DarkLogix
Re: Gonna loose customers?
Comcast? Oh wait, they're bumping up against the 33% rule or whatever.
Not really sure who *could* buy them...everyone else is rather regional. Maybe Cox, but I wouldn't think so... |
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Beylan
join:2001-09-15
Mount Airy, MD | reply to DarkLogix
Big companies don't go bankrupt anymore, they get bailouts. |
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DGLewis
join:2006-03-10
Freehold, NJ
| Doing the Math
According to TWCs 10-K, their high-speed data revenues in 2008 were $4,159M. Their Cost of Revenues for high-speed data, defined as "the direct costs associated with the delivery of high-speed data services, including network connectivity costs," was $146M. On the capital side, the company spent $604M on "scalable infrastructure," which includes the majority of data networking equipment (except for the cable modems themselves), as well as video and voice equipment that grows with the number of subscribers.
The extent to which it can be demonstrated that marginal costs for high-speed data require TWC to implement metered billing is left as an exercise to the reader. |
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rcabor
join:2007-04-17
Grand Prairie, TX
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Re: How does this logic work...
said by Mang :
So if everyone is catching on to this BS that TWC is giving... how long till they go after the mobile phone companies for charging SMS fee's (double dipping for both sending and receiving) @ 0.20 cents each message?
$1 per GB or $0.40 per SMS (about 160 characters)
Which is a bigger rip off?
While I agree that SMS is a ripoff, most all of the USA has many wireless carriers to choose from, but not all have more than 1 ISP to choose from. |
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SLD
Premium
join:2002-04-17 | reply to DGLewis
Re: Doing the Math
Go exercise yourself! |
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zpm
join:2009-03-23
Columbus, GA | It's called corporation greed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| Hmmmmm
Earlier this week he insisted consumers wanted metered billing, despite obvious indicators to the contrary. Really? People want metered billing? My guess is that do want metered billing. BUT, they want a lower initial monthly cost to coincide with the metered billing. They DO NOT want caps on an already high monthly bill and then tack on more cost for bandwidth. Pay $20/month and then charge for extra, MAYBE. Otherwise, OH HELL NO!
Time Warner is smoking some good stuff to spout off the crap they are spreading.  |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| distorting the ISP last mile market?
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP8eDdVzy9s
Metered billing? Unlimited to Limited?
Wholesale price per gb falls over 1000% from 1997-2007. |
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gopnick
join:2005-01-07
Benton, AR | i wonder...
How much longer till We The Sheeple are bailing them out? |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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clubs:
 ·Charter Pipeline
·AT&T Southwest
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Re: Hmmmmm
said by moonpuppy :Pay $20/month and then charge for extra, MAYBE. Otherwise, OH HELL NO! don't set the bar too high. grandma only receives email from her grandkids. she uses perhaps 50MB a month.
any caps/metered plan by an isp must also have a minimalist plan that's $10 per month and adjusted accordingly based on usage. meaning $10/month = ultra low users at up to 250MB.
anything else is just a money grab. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | reply to Mang
Re: How does this logic work...
said by Mang :
So if everyone is catching on to this BS that TWC is giving... how long till they go after the mobile phone companies for charging SMS fee's (double dipping for both sending and receiving) @ 0.20 cents each message?
$1 per GB or $0.40 per SMS (about 160 characters)
Which is a bigger rip off?
Yep. SMS ripoffs and metering ripoffs are very much the same thing. The only difference is that the majority of the public doesn't understand just what a ripoff SMS really is. During a 10 minute voice conversation, a cellular provider transmits the equivalent of 3,750 full-length SMS messages (assuming a low bitrate 8kbps codec).
It's a very good analogy too. The cellular providers get away with it because all the major ones rip off customers in a similar manner. That's what would have to happen for this to work in the case of metering too. Note how AT&T decided to conduct its metering trials in Beaumont where their competition is doing the same. We better hope Verizon doesn't cave to the pressure.
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
| hmm
I think its funny that even other cable companies like cablevision are saying that metered billing is not the way to go. I dont understand how cablevision can be so much better then the other cable companies(notice i said cable companies not including verizon). |
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