Xizer
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
1 edit | Less talk, more action
It is time to hit Time Warner Cable where it hurts - in the wallet. In this economy, your dollar is more valuable than ever. Canceling your service with Time Warner will do volumes more than writing an angry e-mail. Of course, doing both would be the best option. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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|  Consumers in the Rochester area would flock to ... Fios
»www.verizonfiber.com/Default.aspx
consumers in the Rochester area would flock to a service that offers the better services, lower fees, and unlimited fast bandwidth that Verizon FIOS offers. Maybe they would and maybe they wouldn't. But if the web site owner thinks there is such a massive number of people ready to jump on the fiber bandwagon, why doesn't he put that effort in to starting up his own fiber competitor in the area. Even in this rough economy there is still a lot of venture capital out there for the taking. Maybe he should get some and start his own competitive fiber service.
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
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PC gaming GAMES
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| But if the web site owner thinks there is such a massive number of people ready to jump on the fiber bandwagon, why doesn't he put that effort in to starting up his own fiber competitor in the area. ...and on the next edition of Impractical Solutions To Modern Problems, host TK Junkmail explores how opponents of the U.S. occupation of Iraq can stop the war by standing naked in front of American tanks wearing nothing but hand grenades and Fruit of The Loom briefs... |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| said by Karl Bode  :But if the web site owner thinks there is such a massive number of people ready to jump on the fiber bandwagon, why doesn't he put that effort in to starting up his own fiber competitor in the area. ...and on the next edition of Impractical Solutions To Modern Problems, host TK Junkmail explores how opponents of the U.S. occupation of Iraq can stop the war by standing naked in front of American tanks wearing nothing but hand grenades and Fruit of The Loom briefs... It worked for Gandhi, minus the hand grenades, of course.
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AnonDog
@verizon.net
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said by Karl Bode :But if the web site owner thinks there is such a massive number of people ready to jump on the fiber bandwagon, why doesn't he put that effort in to starting up his own fiber competitor in the area. ...and on the next edition of Impractical Solutions To Modern Problems, host TK Junkmail explores how opponents of the U.S. occupation of Iraq can stop the war by standing naked in front of American tanks wearing nothing but hand grenades and Fruit of The Loom briefs... I believe that would work, if they were willing to go to Iraq, sadly most of them are more worried about where they will get their next mocha latte.
On a more serious note, per byte billing is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when.
It is important to remember what happens when the incumbents manage to wrest control from all competitors. Sometimes I wonder that people can be so quick to forget why AT&T was broken up into the "baby bells", and that people can so easily deceive themselves.
Karl, honestly, is it fair for one man to pay another man's bills? Do you think that we should average everyone's electric bill and make everyone pay the same? Walmart is gonna love that!
It is neither fair nor right to ask the little old lady who is checking her E-Mail of a fixed budget to pay for someone else's file sharing binge.
The picture here at DSLR is somewhat skewed by the fact that we are all very heavy users of this Internet, so naturally we all want someone else to carry our freight. |
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djeremy
join:2004-07-12
San Francisco, CA |  reply to Karl Bode
bwahahahah!
loved that. |
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY
·Cingular Wireless
 ·Verizon Online DSL
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said by TKJunkMail :said by Karl Bode :But if the web site owner thinks there is such a massive number of people ready to jump on the fiber bandwagon, why doesn't he put that effort in to starting up his own fiber competitor in the area. ...and on the next edition of Impractical Solutions To Modern Problems, host TK Junkmail explores how opponents of the U.S. occupation of Iraq can stop the war by standing naked in front of American tanks wearing nothing but hand grenades and Fruit of The Loom briefs... It worked for Gandhi, minus the hand grenades, of course. Uhhh.... sure, if you ignore millions of youth taking to the streets, and creating violent uprisings in every major British outpost in the whole country..... fail |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
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im sure TWC would tie up any local brew fiber in court for years to come. even if private funded from someone not big and powerful like Verizon they would find a way to tie it up in the system.
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
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join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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said by TKJunkMail :Even in this rough economy there is still a lot of venture capital out there for the taking. Maybe he should get some and start his own competitive fiber service. It shouldn't be that hard to get VC dollars when they have a profit margin of 1000-1500% on bandwidth! </sarcasm> |
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a333
A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY
·Cingular Wireless
·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | reply to AnonDog
Eh, I suggest that you be VERY careful when comparing electricity to broadband. You see, electricity is a UTILITY. Do you really want to make broadband a utility?
Secondly, if you're going to make this based on the electricity analogy, there should be a low price (say $15/month) that pays for the connection itself, and 50 GB of transfer. On top of that, overages should be say $0.25/10 GB. (Yes, some here will complain that there are "LAST MILE COSTS", but isn't that what the first $15/month is going into? Think about your electricity analogy here... I pay a basic line charge for the connection to the grid, and then I pay for whatever KWh I use.)
If a puny little Canadian DSL provider like TekSavvy can do this, I see no reason for a megacorp like Time Warner Cable to not follow the lead. Finally, if I'm paying for every bit I use, I BETTER not be getting ads or popups/spam emails, that use up any part of my cap. Also, usage during night time (i.e. off-peak hours) should be unmetered and uncapped. To me, that sounds like an actually viable plan that can make sure light users see REDUCED bills, while heavy downloaders help pay for network upgrades to support their habits. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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Re: Less talk, more action
said by Xizer :It is time to hit Time Warner Cable where it hurts - in the wallet. In this economy, your dollar is more valuable than ever. Canceling your service with Time Warner will do volumes more than writing an angry e-mail. Of course, doing both would be the best option. I agree. And that is how you get companies to respond to the consumer. If they charge too much, don't buy their service. But it seems the American way is now morphing in to a system where if you don't like the price of something then ask the government to take over or fix prices thru rules & regulations. Your suggestion would work better.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to Kearnstd
Re: Consumers in the Rochester area would flock to ... Fios
This may be a time for Frontier to at least start deploying FTTN. If they have a time to do anything.. it is now. |
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Someone writing is on the wall.
With this much in the news it cant be good for them. All the negative news has to be starting to hurt them.
I for one i hope it does and shows all isp's if you dont like the business get the hell out now. |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Less talk, more action
The problem is we are dealing with near monopolies. Even in this case you have a reseller that costs more because they are a reseller(granted that may change if TWC implements expensive bandwidth fees) and dsl competition that is crap because most of the people live too far from a CO to get decent speeds.
The only easy option people have is to regulate. Thew whole fighting with your wallet thing can't work in monopoly situations. The hard but better option is to build a municipal fiber network. But of course if you try that the companies that opposed regulation and supposedly support the free market will sue the hell out of you to stop you from creating competition. |
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ShellMG
| Keep up the pressure
As a recent migrant from Wildblue, I can't encourage others enough to fight this cap/FAP crap before it starts.
I had the 7.5G plan -- at $70+ a month -- and I sprouted a dent in my forehead from desk-thumping in frustration. With two teenagers and a husband who teaches, I got sick to death of playing "Cap Cop" and having to unplug the modem at night to keep the bandwith down. And that was just to avoid being throttled! Satellite providers don't provide very good ways to monitor your bandwith ("google 'Fapzilla' or check out WB/Hughesnet forums) and since the meters aren't real-time, you could go to bed fine and wake up FAPped.
Fight the caps. Don't let them THINK about implementing them. You can lose sleep as well as money worrying about babysitting your bandwith. |
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ReVeLaTeD
Premium
join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA
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Re: Someone writing is on the wall.
said by hayabusa3303 :With this much in the news it cant be good for them. All the negative news has to be starting to hurt them. I for one i hope it does and shows all isp's if you dont like the business get the hell out now. Negative.
As in my case, TWC is the only high speed internet option available. AT&T's UVerse isn't even in the same league, with its pathetic 6Mbps downstreams max that can't nearly compete with the 20+Mbps I get now with TWC on their highest tier.
FIOS is only in the most affluent of areas, like 4S Ranch, where people are paying an arm and a leg to live. I'm literally walking distance from there, yet can't get FIOS. Therefore, I have no choice if I want reasonable internet speeds.
I'll pay for TWC's highest tier. A 100GB cap isn't unreasonable, because they really don't enforce it. But metered billing isn't ideal for me, UNLESS there's NO MINIMUM MONTHLY CHARGE, and then it's just a pay-for-use model. I'd be ok with that as an alternative when money gets tight. But if they want to charge $60 + per GB fee, no way. |
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n2ubp
join:2007-07-13
Middletown, NY
|  Since did FIOS fall under telco Terms and Conditions?
Verizon is a telco player but FIOS is not a traditional telco pipeline to the home. Frontier may have exclusive telco rights in Rochester. I'm sure that does not stop time warner from offering VOIP. It should not stop Verizon from offering FIOS including VOIP over FIOS
as long as they can get a franchise from Rochester. |
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RadioDoc
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Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
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Re: Consumers in the Rochester area would flock to ... Fios
I'll say it again: If it is good for data it is even better for video. I'll gladly move to metered billing for the cable TV I actually watch instead of paying scandalous fees for the 90% I don't.
What we really need is the designation of that wire or fiber coming into every home as a common carrier. Then any ISP who wants to charge $1 per GB or put a 5 GB cap on can truly compete in an open market. |
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
1 edit | reply to AnonDog
Nah, Dog...
If we're all carrying our "freight" light users would have a $5.00 a month bill and heavy users would have a $100 a month bill... Wait, many people DO have $100 a month internet bills while NO-ONE has a $5.00 a month bill. Go figure how THAT works! Here is an example of a company trying to have their cake and eat it too, so to speak... I'm not buying it. |
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
1 edit | reply to ReVeLaTeD
Re: Someone writing is on the wall.
Um,
I have U-verse and my speeds are 18/1.5. It's not the fastest speed on the planet, but it's okay for the several computers and devices used in my household.
The fastest speed that I can get here ( Santa Clarita) from TWC is a puny 6mbps down and whatever they can muster up.... |
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