patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | territorial waters
I see broadband coverage problems in our territorial waters. |
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T1 Rocky
join:2002-11-15
Dallas, TX
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| Dateline
Why doesnt dateline ever do a story on this stuff? Between this and the astroturf campagins there's more than enough great footage of major US corporations with their pants down. And we as American's love to see that stuff. I wish that one of the major networks would do a story on the state of affairs in the broadband world. But I guess noone wants to piss off one of their biggest clients for commercial time.  |
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brianstretch
join:2001-12-31
Ann Arbor, MI
| AT&T thinks that FTTN is adequate,
which should automatically disqualify them as being broadband "experts".
Not that I trust the feds to get anything right, but if they're going to go through with national broadband bankrolling they should have Google write up a "best practices" design that anyone, including municipal governments, can use to build out dark FTTH systems that any carrier can lease fibers from. If there's already a FTTH system in place (FiOS) then there's no need for federal taxpayer money to be used to build an alternative. That might be enough of a cluestick to get AT&T in gear and build U-verse correctly, but probably not. |
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atuarre
Here come the drums
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join:2004-02-14
Lake Charles, LA
clubs:  | Why should Google write up something? They are as greedy as any of the other companies? I think a neutral entity with no ties to broadband, or search engines, etc, should be used. Google has just as much to gain as the carriers. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to T1 Rocky
Re: Dateline
said by T1 Rocky  :Why doesnt dateline ever do a story on this stuff? Dateline might as well be called the Govt Communications Dept. |
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PhoenixDown
-- Wants FIOS
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join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
clubs: | US Census Beauru
Should be handling this... |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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| Fox Guarding the Henhouse
.... Ask the Fox to go in and count the number of Hens in the Hen house, that way you'll know if any goes missing.
As far as the big players are concerned, everything is great if you can get their services and no other choices. That's A+
If you can get them and one major competitor, then it's B+
All the way down to F which means their service isn't available in that area... 
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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3 edits |  Link to the Connected Nation Doc file in what format?
I tried to open the Connected Nation.Doc file listed in the story and I couldn't open it as a Microsoft Word document. Anyone know what kind of format the file is using?
P.S.>> I can't find any mention of the non-disclosure agreement at the Connected Nation Website
»www.connectednation.org/
Karl - where did this come from??
Edit: correct for wrong word used |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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|  Consumer groups; the unions; & public officials on Board too
»Here Comes The Connected Nation Sales PitchHowever, with a board of directors stocked with some of the biggest lobbying names in telecom, critics argue the group's real goal is to actually prevent more substantive reform, and derail more accurate mapping efforts that highlight deployment and competitive shortcomings. That statement purposely overlooks all the others on the Board of Directors too to make a point. An invalid point.
I suppose all the other Board members will standby and let the broadband ISPs railroad the process without going public? I don't think so. I really don't think the CWA(who is on the board) will let that happen. And I don't think the rep for the Assoc of State CIOs will let that happen. And there are other groups represented that are usually in opposition to the ISPs.
»www.connectednation.org/who_we_a···dvisors/
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to atuarre
Re: AT&T thinks that FTTN is adequate,
Don't mind the fact that Google isn't qualified since to my knowledge they've never deployed FTTH. |
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atuarre
Here come the drums
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join:2004-02-14
Lake Charles, LA
clubs:
| said by openbox9 :Don't mind the fact that Google isn't qualified since to my knowledge they've never deployed FTTH. Agree. |
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rcdailey
Dragoonfly
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join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA
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Re: Link to the Connected Nation Doc file in what format?
Yes, Microsoft Word Viewer could not figure out how to open it, asking for a selection of the format. It did not display any useful content, just what appears to be garbage.
OpenOffice can't figure out the format, either, just as with the MS Word Viewer. So, importing to OpenOffice is useless.
WordPad will display the file, but there is no text that is readable except for the name. Somebody messed up when this file was produced. |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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| said by rcdailey :Yes, Microsoft Word Viewer could not figure out how to open it, asking for a selection of the format. It did not display any useful content, just what appears to be garbage. OpenOffice can't figure out the format, either, just as with the MS Word Viewer. So, importing to OpenOffice is useless. WordPad will display the file, but there is no text that is readable except for the name. Somebody messed up when this file was produced. After doing some Google searches I found out that AT&T refused to share the data they were collecting with a group OTHER THAN Connected Nation who asked AT&T to collect it for them. That other group was e-NC. e-NC got the info after agreeing not to provide it to others. Makes sense as AT&T was collecting for Connected Nation and NOT for e-NC(a state agency). »www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/0···1611.php
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dynodb
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join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to atuarre
Re: AT&T thinks that FTTN is adequate,
A "neutral" entity? What's that?
While providers shouldn't completely own the process, they definitely should be involved as they'd be directly affected and better understand the possibilities and limitations involved. To shut them out of the process completely would be inherently unfair and counterproductive. |
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rcdailey
Dragoonfly
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join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA
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Re: Link to the Connected Nation Doc file in what format?
Thanks for that link. What are the chances that we will ever get the kind of statistics that the writer declared were needed? Things don't look promising at the Department of Commerce and the White House overlord of the census, whoever that may be. |
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SuperWISP
join:2007-04-17
Laramie, WY
| Slanted article
This article is exceedingly slanted. The "consumer advocates" cited in it -- a DC lobbying group called "Public Knowledge" -- is well known to be heavily supported by GoogleClick, a large and unethical corporation, and to be lobbying for regulation of the Internet in ways that favor that corporation.
What's more, small carriers as well as large ones favor Connected Nation's mapping practices, which avoid the disclosure of proprietary data that could enable anticompetitive practices. |
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brianstretch
join:2001-12-31
Ann Arbor, MI
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Re: AT&T thinks that FTTN is adequate,
Well, get someone to. Google just sprung to mind because they're smart and they'd benefit from nationwide FTTH deployment but can't build their own, anywhere, without freaking out the incumbent carriers they're dependent on. One of their guys wrote a high-level position paper on how to do it so they've been thinking about the subject.
Then again, just sit down with the municipalities that have already built such networks and work out a best practices document. Make a credible threat to make this happen and watch the incumbents scramble to roll out FTTH first to head off the federal plan. Works in theory. |
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atuarre
Here come the drums
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join:2004-02-14
Lake Charles, LA
clubs:
| Yes, Yes, someone at Google wrote a paper. Google, again, is a business. Remember the auction, where they had everyone believing they wanted to purchase spectrum, but never did? They have the capital to do so. Google knew exactly what they were doing. Like everyone else, Google serves there own interests. I'd prefer, like I said before, an independent group of people, with nothing to benefit from this, to be involved. People aren't doing what's best for the country, they are doing what's best for their bottom lines. That's the problem here. Everyone in Washington is on the payroll for somebody else.
But as always, I am sure Connected Nation, or some other think tank will be responsible for all this, and it will be BAU in Washington. |
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radiowebst
join:2009-02-02
Cooperstown, NY
1 edit | Connected Nation is not the only mapping source
While Connected Nation seems to be the front runner for mapping (not the best might I add), they certainly aren't the only source of mapping data nor are they the only people who tackled the mapping of broadband.
California did a pretty good job »www.calink.ca.gov/taskforcereport/
I've heard NY undertook their own initiative, I know Maine did a lot of work already and I am sure many others have done something similar. Giving stimulus money preference to states that have some sort of mapping is a good idea at least to target the obviously unserved markets. I'm pretty close to having a method to do a nationwide map of cable and DSL and it won't cost $350 million dollars. All with data available in the public domain. |
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sonnybadbutt
join:2001-05-11
Elizabethtown, KY
| reply to SuperWISP
Re: Slanted article
What's more, small carriers as well as large ones favor Connected Nation's mapping practices, which avoid the disclosure of proprietary data that could enable anticompetitive practices.
Don't know what planet you live on but every small carrier I know (I work for one) is not very happy with this. Their practices are very slanted to the big carriers. |
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