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Comments on news posted 2009-04-17 08:23:15: A Swedish court has found the four men behind the popular Pirate Bay website guilty of assisting copyright infringement, though the website plans to appeal the ruling. ..

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Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Pirate bay basically a search engine. They had no pirated material on the servers. Can they not do the same kind thing to google. After I can can get a search on google linking to pirate bay first hit. So google is also assisting in copyright infringement.

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Not just that but you can use Google and many other search engines that will give you direct links to the material itself.

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Google Torrent Search.

»www.google.com/coop/cse? ··· hdbygrma

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said by BIGMIKE:

Google Torrent Search.

»www.google.com/coop/cse? ··· hdbygrma
The difference is that Google doesn't exist solely to catalog torrents and actually removes content from their database when asked. It's not a hard concept to understand.

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It's two things. It's a index and a tracker. The index is essentially a search engine.

The tracker is what serves as the centralized collection point for what clients are currently part of the torrent and coordinates exchanging of peers. There are ways to get around not having a tracker, but they aren't nearly as efficient. The tracker itself isn't involved in the actual file transfer, just the exchange of peer lists among other "administrative" functionality.

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Google isn't intentionally linking to pirated material. They are also not cocky jerks who give the finger to anyone who asks them to remove links to their copyrighted material.

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And what makes you think pirate bay is. Do they have legit torrents also? If so your argument doesn't hold water.

Yea its my understanding this is what the site was setup for (never used them) but charging them with assisting in copyright infringement opens a huge can of worms. Yes the crime does fit what they did. But when do you draw the line.

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Are you kidding me? Look at their Top 100 lists and tell me how many of the torrents are legit. They know good and well that what they are linking to are not legit torrents.

You can't deny they are assisting copyright infringement.

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I mean, the site is called PIRATE Bay right? Sheesh, that enough should put to rest any "legit torrent" arguments. I mean, if it was called "Child Porno Lounge" there would be no disagreement on any prosecution of them regardless what type of torrents they were listing.

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Are you kidding me? Look at their Top 100 lists and tell me how many of the torrents are legit. They know good and well that what they are linking to are not legit torrents.
They are legit torrents, wonderfully efficient transfers of data. The end result may be the copying of a file containing some protected performance, but that's not their issue.

When the WWW was young, it was very cool to put up images. Now digital cameras were both rare and expensive, so where did we get these images? We ripped them off of other sites (which had also ripped them off of other sites).

Jerry Yang created YAHOO by creating a directory to all these sites. Why isn't he being threatened with Swedish jail?

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"wonderfully efficient"

Wonderfully, yes. Efficient, hardly. If it was so efficient ISPs wouldn't give a rats ass about them.

Yes, technically the torrents themselves do not contain any more than the location of the copyrighted material. You have got to a complete dumb ass to not know that the Pirate Bay assists in the distribution of copyrighted material.

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said by battleop:

"wonderfully efficient"

Wonderfully, yes. Efficient, hardly. If it was so efficient ISPs wouldn't give a rats ass about them.
They are so efficient they saturate the ISP's customers upstream and downstream. ISP's give a rats ass because the less a customer uses the more money is made by the ISP!!

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That just tells me there are a lot of illegal torrents in use. Thats not the search engines fault.

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said by dcurrey:

That just tells me there are a lot of illegal torrents in use. Thats not the search engines fault.
It's not? Have you ever read their response to a takedown request? When was the last time a user was banned for uploading a copyrighted torrent? The answer is never unless it was infected with a virus. In actuality, they get promoted to VIP for uploading more copyrighted material than anyone else.

If I went to TPB right now and clicked on a torrent file, but their tracker was offline, I wouldn't be able to download the file unless I joined a trackerless DHT swarm. That in and of itself makes them complicit. They are not even crawling the web, they allow the hash of a copyrighted file to be stored on their server so others can download it.

Take away the .torrent (which is stored on their servers) and you take away the ability for a user to download that instance of shared copyrighted material.

They are complicit in the act of piracy, although not guilty of piracy themselves.

I think I'll start a website with links to all the unlocked and easy to burglarize houses in the country. I'll just provide links to their satellite map though and won't actually host the address myself. Hey, I'm not hosting the actual address so it's not my fault what happens.

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A user isn't banned for uploading a copyrighted torrent because that user that creates the torrent holds the copyright for that file.

The torrent is like a bookmark, it points to something, that something is coded in a way that allows it to point to unknown places until it is used.

Lets say Google is a torrent. I bookmark Google. When I want to use Google I click on my Google bookmark. Since this Google bookmark is using old technology I have to manually enter in some data to allow it to find what I'm looking for and then it shows me where to go and again I have to manually go there by a click and after that probably click again to get what I wanted possibly and 99% of the time that something is copyrighted material.

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said by firephoto:

A user isn't banned for uploading a copyrighted torrent because that user that creates the torrent holds the copyright for that file.
I'm sorry, but I am tired of rationalizations. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Even the freaking Swedish Courts (notoriously lenient on copyright issues) found ALL defendants guilty on all charges. They didn't get off on a single charge. Even O.J. freaking got away with murder and we had DNA.

The Pirate Bay is nothing more than a speakeasy for piracy. If you take their trackers offline, all that pirated content goes offline as well. Period. End of story.

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said by Matt3:

The Pirate Bay is nothing more than a speakeasy for piracy. If you take their trackers offline, all that pirated content goes offline as well. Period. End of story.
The Pirate Bay does not, and never has, hosted pirated content. Quit being selective and face the reality that most internet businesses succeed becasue they provide a route to copyrighted material for normal people to enjoy. Do you think Google would be a multi billion dollar business if they were linking to millions of text files detailing internet conversations?

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said by firephoto:

The Pirate Bay does not, and never has, hosted pirated content. Quit being selective and face the reality that most internet businesses succeed becasue they provide a route to copyrighted material for normal people to enjoy. Do you think Google would be a multi billion dollar business if they were linking to millions of text files detailing internet conversations?
I believe you're the one selectively addressing my points. People can see that you selected the minor point in my post and then made some wild connection to hosting pirated content and how all internet business is successful because of piracy.

They were guilty. Period. Here, again for you:

Just minutes ago the verdict in the case of The Pirate Bay Four was announced. All four defendants were accused of ‘assisting in making copyright content available’. Peter Sunde: Guilty. Fredrik Neij: Guilty. Gottfrid Svartholm: Guilty. Carl Lundström: Guilty. The four receive 1 year in jail each and fines totaling $3,620,000.

»torrentfreak.com/the-pir ··· -090417/

I don't know how much more clearly than that it can be stated. Until the courts decide otherwise, what they were doing was ILLEGAL.

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said by Matt3:

Take away the .torrent (which is stored on their servers) and you take away the ability for a user to download that instance of shared copyrighted material.
No you don't. TPB isn't the only tracker out there. Not seeing what you want on TPB? IsoHunt. TorrentReactor. Demonoid. BTJunkie. Torrentbox.

TPB gone? Whack-A-Mole. Next. More coming all the time. Cat out of bag. Nuff said.
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And what makes you think pirate bay is. Do they have legit torrents also?
If they have one legitimate torrent, that changes everything?

I call that the "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" defense.

C'mon. They named themselves *Pirate* Bay.

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Just pointing out they are not targeting illegal content. But yea that accounts for the bulk of it but is that the search engines fault. Its an automatic process.

I don't have a problem with them being convicted of copyright infringement. That seems the intent of the site. Just need a more targeted law. The assisted in copyright infringement seems a little to vague and can be expanded to include almost anyone and anything.

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said by dcurrey:

Just pointing out they are not targeting illegal content. But yea that accounts for the bulk of it but is that the search engines fault. Its an automatic process.
Uh huh. And *Pirate* was just an unfortunate choice of names. In fact, they probably didn't even choose the name themselves -- someone else must've done it.

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

Mark

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Yes, pirates from their orginal origin are such terrible people. I mean it was just so wrong for these vigilantes of the sea to take treasure from the British governement that they had stole fair and square from south america.
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said by firephoto:

Yes, pirates from their orginal origin are such terrible people. I mean it was just so wrong for these vigilantes of the sea to take treasure from the British governement that they had stole fair and square from south america.
You're providing a very narrow history of "piracy." They didn't limit their thievery to government ships, nor British ships.

Do you fancy yourself like the Somali pirates too? Or, are you selective in your nostalgia?

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said by amigo_boy:

Do you fancy yourself like the Somali pirates too? Or, are you selective in your nostalgia?
You paint the picture as all pirates are bad and because this group of people uses the word pirate that they too are bad. You are the one being selective and it's just a word, get over it.
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said by firephoto:

You are the one being selective and it's just a word, get over it.
Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

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Oh snap, you got me...

nice try for having no way to respond.
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said by firephoto:

Oh snap, you got me...

nice try for having no way to respond.
Sorry. Honestly I have a little trouble following the different arguments because it seems like trying to hit a moving target. "Bit" said it was theft (two wrongs make a right). Then, said it wasn't. Compares himself to pirates (like it's an act of noble lawlessness). I pointed out that the Somali pirates use the same logic. Then you accused me of selectively applying Somali piracy to this situation (and that it could be noble piracy).

If you guys want to call it noble civil disobedience (or warfare, or justifiable under the conditions) that's fine with me. But, based upon how you guys are all over the map with rationalizations, it doesn't seem like the justification has been developed very well.

As I said earlier, I'm not in love with copyright. It is a social moderation to an otherwise free market (transfer of private property). It has increasingly tilted toward benefiting one side of that market (publishers).

The first copyright duration was something like 8 years. Around 1900 it was something like 18 years with an option to renew for another 18. It went to 28 (with an optional 28) until the past 30 years or so when it jumped to *incredible* durations (and other limitations on fair use).

I think there's a huge opportunity to turn something like that into a civil disobedience movement. A web site explaining the history and purpose behind copyright, and how society is getting shafted in return for its involvement to help creative people have a market (like, how Windows 3.1 won't enter the Public Domain until around 2080, when it wouldn't be useful to anyone today!).

All I'm seeing are people who want free stuff, and can justify it with the most extraordinary (and often contradictory) contortions.

Mark

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I keep waiting for it to be renamed SomaliaBay.org

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said by battleop:

Google isn't intentionally linking to pirated material.
I've shared plenty of free and open-source stuff using The Pirate Bay.
said by battleop:

They are also not cocky jerks who give the finger to anyone who asks them to remove links to their copyrighted material.
True, but that flippant response of The Pirate Bay has also forced Hollywood to finally put more of its stuff online which has, in fact, reduced "illegal" file-sharing over the past 2 years and created a new industry.

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"True, but that flippant response of The Pirate Bay"

Their cocky attitude did not cause that. Piracy most certainly forced Hollywood's hand but the Piratebay and their cocky responses did not.

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said by battleop:

Google isn't intentionally linking to pirated material. They are also not cocky jerks who give the finger to anyone who asks them to remove links to their copyrighted material.
And that is the key. TPB refuses to follow the law when copyright owners request removal of the trackers. Google doesn't. I do think Google also could do a better job proactively removing links, but they do stick to the law unlike TPB.

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TPB refuses to follow the law when copyright owners request removal of the trackers. Google doesn't. I do think Google also could do a better job proactively removing links, but they do stick to the law unlike TPB.

You mean the DMCA with its "notice and takedown" provision? That's a U.S. law which does not apply in Sweden.

The PB has never broken any Swedish law except, if the appeal fails, the novel rule against assisting copyright infringement by providing an impartial, automated sharing system with a commercial angle (the defendants deny the latter part).

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said by swhx7:

said by FFH5:

TPB refuses to follow the law when copyright owners request removal of the trackers. Google doesn't. I do think Google also could do a better job proactively removing links, but they do stick to the law unlike TPB.

You mean the DMCA with its "notice and takedown" provision? That's a U.S. law which does not apply in Sweden.

The PB has never broken any Swedish law except, if the appeal fails, the novel rule against assisting copyright infringement by providing an impartial, automated sharing system with a commercial angle (the defendants deny the latter part).
Thank you.

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said by battleop:

Google isn't intentionally linking to pirated material. They are also not cocky jerks who give the finger to anyone who asks them to remove links to their copyrighted material.
There is no copyrighted material on the pirate bay.

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said by battleop:

Google isn't intentionally linking to pirated material.

Neither is PB. It's an automated system, just like Google's indexing of the web. Users can upload whatever they want. Trying to research every item before adding it, to find out whether it's authorized by the copyright holder, would be an onerous, prohibitive burden which would shut down Google, just as it would the Pirate Bay.
said by battleop:

They are also not cocky jerks who give the finger to anyone who asks them to remove links to their copyrighted material.

The PB has always complied with Swedish law as they have believed it to apply. Unlike the US with its DMCA, Sweden has not had a law requiring removal of links to pirated files - and the PB doesn't even do that anyway. They only link to a means of connecting to users who may be sharing files.

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said by battleop:

Google isn't intentionally linking to pirated material. They are also not cocky jerks who give the finger to anyone who asks them to remove links to their copyrighted material.
Which in my opinion is awesome. The best part of the Bay is the letters they get from companies and their responses.

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said by dcurrey:

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Pirate bay basically a search engine. They had no pirated material on the servers. Can they not do the same kind thing to google. After I can can get a search on google linking to pirate bay first hit. So google is also assisting in copyright infringement.
It is conparable to a search engine but differ in platform. Neither host any data but only provide link or info... Much like a merchant who only sell products but don't actually know much about it or make the product themselves

It is easier to go after a manufacturer just because someone used a product in a way that doesn't suit their agenda. Let's say your honda car broke down due to faulty parts... so you sue honda for it cause they are part of the problems and an easy target for the suer.

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Appeal coming

It was a decision made by a lower court judge. They will appeal and this will sit in the court system for a while longer.
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Yep, I read an article that said the verdict had a was 50/50 going either way. So pretty much it was a theater, and the judge probably in someone's pocket. I would actually like to read his judgment statement if there happens to be an English translation.. Would be interesting.

I'm sure this will go all the way to the supreme court.

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said by Warez_Zealot:

Yep, I read an article that said the verdict had a was 50/50 going either way. So pretty much it was a theater, and the judge probably in someone's pocket. I would actually like to read his judgment statement if there happens to be an English translation.. Would be interesting.

I'm sure this will go all the way to the supreme court.
I really don't think the judge was in anyones pocket. After all, there are laws against copyright infringement. That being said, this ruling could affect large search engines like google. Which is why this will go to the highest court possible.

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Hurrrrrr

Oh great. That's it. I'm shutting off my Internet connection. I can't believe the sorry state the Internet is in these days. Ugh.
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Why are you discontinuing your Internet service due to four people in Sweden being convicted?

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Oh great. That's it. I'm shutting off my Internet connection. I can't believe the sorry state the Internet is in these days. Ugh.
Wait...the internet is pissing you that off? Might as well cancel your "life" subscription with the state the rest of the world is in.
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they only way they will win

TPB only hope is that this verdict will spark massive uprising and laws will be chanaged
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Why not move TPB to Russia or China?

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Ouch!

Oh, man, score a big victory for the big bad guys. One year in jail plus almost a million in fines (assuming this sentence holds up in appeal)? Ouch.

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Clearly the court had sufficient evidence to find the group guilty. The people involved with the Pirate Bay may not feel that it is their responsibility to police what their service is used to transmit and receive, but the law states otherwise. The material may not touch their servers, but they are in fact assisting users in attaining this material. They are also generating revenue through advertisements. Perhaps they should alter their thinking.

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Google the Master of all Torrent search engines

I find that Google is just as good at finding torrents as well.

I used google to find torrent sites.

Should'nt they be liable too.

what about microsoft enabling us to be able to to these kind of things.

I think its all bull shii.

Somebody should open a LEGAL site that allows every thing from music to software to be downloaded for a monthly price. I would sign up for that.
maby 20-30 a month.

I know several software providers that would be happy to have their software in front of you at home instead of at the store for 200.00 for office ......

????
Try again Courts.

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Theives.

It's amazing the lengths people will go to justify stealing content and somehow purport to be a hero. Don't like the prices of CDs? Don't buy them. Don't like the prices of movies? Don't go see them, read a book.

Stealing content and purporting to be 'Robin Hood' doesn't make you a hero.

It's a shame something as useful as P2P for content distribution will always carry the connotation of piracy thanks to hordes of uneducated or morally devoid individuals who believe that it's fine to steal/infringe/distribute copyrighted works.

Be pedantic all you want and assert that it's not theft; it is.

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Similar sites will go underground

I think this will cause similar sites to go underground (a lot of them already are). Pirate Bay could well move to a country where these laws are not enforced.

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Xenu , and Tom Cruise are Happy Today


A picture of Xenu acting as a friend of the court in Sweden flipping off supporters of Piratebay
The Church of Scientology is happy today. PirateBay tracked a bunch of the "secret manuals" used by the auditors to establish a person's Thetan Level, and how much money to charge to do this. The PirateBay 4 told the goons at COS basically to kiss their grits when they demanded these secret manuals be removed. Tom Cruise, The blessed of The Old Soul. will be happy as his bud's at COS have managed to get his COS rants removed from most places except PirateBay, where again they where told to kiss off. Maybe just maybe they can get Piratebay at last.

I have to say I like the PirateBay 4's style
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Do it in Cuba

Now that Cuba is opening up due to our new watermelon salesman president, maybe some one could open up a torrent search website in Cuba. Fidel has been thumbing his nose at the big corporations for years.

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Who is selling watermelons to who?
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What this means

What this means is that if you go big-time, like Napster and Kazaa did, and you are visible, you will be forced to close one way or the other. Society is not going to tolerate large-scale piracy.

Technical and legalistic detail doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that Pirate Bay was not technically hosting pirated material. It doesn't matter that you can parse legal descriptions of copyright one way or the other.

It also doesn't matter that you can't technically stop digital piracy 100% of the time, and new sites can always pop up, and maybe you can Google for those sites. Once someone goes big-time and has a significant amount of traffic, they will be stopped.
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said by MyDogHsFleas:

Once someone goes big-time and has a significant amount of traffic, they will be stopped.
Why is anybody surprised by that?

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Interesting Precedent

It's pretty simple . . even if you don't host material . . .if you make it available through a third party and you get big enough . .you'll eventually get taken down.

If you're going to share things you don't want noticed, share through a secure VPN with another friend, don't whore it out to the whole Internet.

Third, if you believe in right and wrong, pay for your music / videos.

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Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
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Lawsuit money

Someone refresh my memory...

When the RIAA were suing the people for hundreds of thousands of dollars, claiming that they were doing it to protect their artists...

Someone tell me....has the RIAA given a dime of that lawsuit money to the artists yet??????

Nope

I thought so....
LJGoose
join:2008-08-31
Middle Island, NY

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Re: Lawsuit money

Amen brother. Your right on!

Boredness
So bored...
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Well I'm glad I don't live in Sweden then!

Comment edited, I think I was a little extreme so I withdraw my previous comment.

Hpower
join:2000-06-08
Canyon Country, CA

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Yep

I wouldn't be surprised if it does go to higher level courts. Those fines are CRAZY! I wonder how the heck they came up with those numbers.

Victim: "Do you take credit cards? Lemme deposit $1,000,000 first though please. Be right back...." haha
amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22

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Re: Yep

said by Hpower:

Those fines are CRAZY! I wonder how the heck they came up with those numbers.
Usually fines for copyright violation are based upon estimated damages. How many copies were distributed. If *Pirate* Bay contributed to millions of illegal copies, and their contribution was deemed to be 1% of all the players involved in the copying, that would be *huge*.

Looking at it that way, they got off easy.

Mark

karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
Moscow, ID

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The reason this exists

Is quite simply, because copyright laws have been corrupted by the corporations. I have NO PROBLEM with protecting a copyrighted work. I have a SERIOUS problem with a 'infinity-1 year' (MPAA quote) copyright. The constitution quite simply says 'for a limited time'. 175 years is a violation of not only the words, but the meaning of the constitution. I would be willing to bet that most of the people who view this act of disobedience to be Christians. Why? Well, mickey mouse said it best. "Christians are re-tart-ed". See south park, season 13, episode 1.

Make all the laws you want. We have an entire generation that is ignoring those laws. Guess what, if you are willing to ignore a stupid law, then you will probably ignore other laws. Lets put all 12-30 years olds in jail, that will solve the problem. Otherwise, bring copyrights back to 14 years, and be done with it.

KrK
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Was interested in seeing if justice would prevail. Nope.

Didn't get home from work in time.

TK is probably celebrating right now.....

"The founders of Pirate Bay (Peter Sunde, Fredrik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg and Carl Lundstrom) were convicted and each sentenced to a year in jail and a $3.6 million total fine for "contributory copyright infringement".

Hope things change on appeal, of course.

Just goes to show as usual copyright issues are too complex for most judges to understand.

Doctor Four
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join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX

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Pirate Party in Sweden gains 3000 members in 7 hours

When pirates vote, the Powers That Be and the MAFIAA had better watch out.

Outrage over the Pirate Bay guilty verdict has caused a surge in membership to Sweden's Pirate Party, gaining 3000 new members in just 7 hours. It is now larger than 3 of the 7 parties represented in Sweden's Parliament:

»news.slashdot.org/articl ··· /2041208
amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22

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Re: Pirate Party in Sweden gains 3000 members in 7 hours

said by Doctor Four:

When pirates vote, the Powers That Be and the MAFIAA had better watch out.

Outrage over the Pirate Bay guilty verdict has caused a surge in membership to Sweden's Pirate Party, gaining 3000 new members in just 7 hours. It is now larger than 3 of the 7 parties represented in Sweden's Parliament:
One posting says the 3000 new members took it to about 18000 members. How small are the other 3 parties, and what do they represent?

Maybe I don't understand something, but this sounds irrelevant.

Mark

KeepOnRockin
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join:2002-11-08
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to Doctor Four
I think the fact that it's now bigger than 3 of the 7 parties is interesting.

It's probably still a minority party, but that's quite a increase in members.
KeepOnRockin

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The Bigger Picture

How many times has this happened in the past? Hmmm... let's see: Napster, Kazaa, now TPB just to name a few.

It's a big game of whack-a-mole as sites go down and new ones spring up. I really don't view this as a victory for anyone. Will is slow down file sharing or torrent traffic? Probably now, might even increase it.

I don't condone copyright infringement, but lawsuits alone will not get people to change their fundamental beliefs about P2P. Yes, artists need to be paid fairly for their work. However if anything the media companies need to tackle the source of the problem; just not tackling big names in file sharing.

P2P and search engines, as a technology, cannot be stopped. The genie is out of the bottle and cannot be put back in with all the lawsuits in the world. If individual users are breaking laws with copyright infringement, then they should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. Media companies cannot just take the cheap route and think shutting down TPB or Napster (or any other "search service") will make their problems go away. It's much bigger than that.

Blanket solutions just don't work.

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