jadebangle
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Olathe, KS
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| Its bad for business... they dug their own grave...
It will never fly in the face of consumer
it won't encourage us to buy anything in the near future
we will never buy any product that uses hostile tactics to force every consumer to purchase what they can't afford.
the way they are going is bullying and it will get them no where... RIP riaa, mpaa... |
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jsz0
join:2008-01-23
Jewett City, CT
·Comcast
| Don't forget about the DMCA
In the US at least an ISP who puts their safe harbor status in jeopardy has much to lose from the actions of even a single customer. So far we haven't seen this provision of the DMCA utilized. I believe in the near future we will. At that point the ISP will at minimum need to prove their cooperation on copyright enforcement. A single lawsuit would likely cost the ISP more than the potential profits of many customers combined. Hard to say exactly how many but that's assuming it's only one lawsuit. If it's multiple lawsuits the ISP could be flat out unprofitable. This is why I believe the copyright enforcement cartels will start utilizing the safe harbor provision soon. Out of all the different methods to stop piracy this is the only one that has actual teeth because both the ISP and customer are facing serious ramifications. Unlike the random hunt & peck lawsuits of the last few years there would be serious risk to everyone downloading copyrighted material. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | I dislike when people steal songs, but
What if your neighbor is stealing your internet via wifi, And maybe if the music makers made good songs like in the 50s/60s and not the (mostly IMHO)carp they do today more people would actually buy their stuff. |
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swhitney2003
I can't drive 55.
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| said by me1212  :What if your neighbor is stealing your internet via wifi Easy, password protect your wifi. |
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AbBaZaBbA
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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this as not working. The people that come up with these ideas are very smart and understand the limits of their political clout. They will get these types of things passed (using their incredible political power in the US to strong arm other countries) and people will be scared of losing their internet. Because the majority of people still want to "own" music and "it's only 99 cents (or $1.29)" per track they will pay for it.
Obviously new methods of file sharing will need to evolve to thwart this. Aside from that, the only ways this could be a failure for the entertainment industry are if people (en masse) suddenly realize the extent to which they are being ripped off and lied to or if politicians suddenly decide to not pander to special interests. Both of these are basically laughable. |
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robl27
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join:2008-07-16
Mary Esther, FL
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Re: I dislike when people steal songs, but
wrong.. how about when the RIAA steals from the artist? this is about CONTROL. wake up people! if they don't want to be ISP's and offer bandwidth for a reasonable charge then offer ti to someone who will handle it.
you are all brainwashed by the media, stop buying cd's and start supporting artists in other ways. each artist gets 25 cents per disc bought.
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jsz0
join:2008-01-23
Jewett City, CT | The artists agree to terms with the record labels. They have no one to blame but themselves. |
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Killa200
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Spring City, TN
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| reply to me1212
said by me1212 :What if your neighbor is stealing your internet via wifi Then you should still be held accountable for your lack of diligence to secure your line.
The "my neighbor was using my unsecured wireless" excuse compares to hanging a sign in your brand new dodge viper that says "take if you would like", while simultaneously leaving the keys in the car, with it opened and running. Then trying to prosecute after it is stolen. |
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swhitney2003
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said by robl27 :wrong.. how about when the RIAA steals from the artist? this is about CONTROL. wake up people! if they don't want to be ISP's and offer bandwidth for a reasonable charge then offer ti to someone who will handle it. you are all brainwashed by the media, stop buying cd's and start supporting artists in other ways. each artist gets 25 cents per disc bought. -Rob I don't see what you were saying is wrong about what I said. I simply gave a simple solution to a simple problem. Your pay for your internet connection. If you cannot protect it then you have the right to lose it. Ignorance is not a reason to redeem yourself. |
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major marco
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said by Killa200 :The "my neighbor was using my unsecured wireless" excuse compares to hanging a sign in your brand new dodge viper that says "take if you would like", while simultaneously leaving the keys in the car, with it opened and running. Then trying to prosecute after it is stolen. LMAO. That's still considered theft, Johnny Cochran. The definition is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent. A sign in the window with the keys in the ignition, the door open and the motor running does not equal freely given consent.
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | reply to Killa200
Security codes can be cracked. |
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kaila
join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL
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Unless the artists have the brains to come up with a business plan and cash or investors to finance studio time and marketing, they really don't have much of a choice, let alone bargaining power to negotiate terms.
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Killa200
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Spring City, TN | reply to major marco
Fine, i'll get a signature on the sign first, 
But you know what i am saying. |
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jsz0
join:2008-01-23
Jewett City, CT
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said by kaila :Unless the artists have the brains to come up with a business plan and cash or investors to finance studio time and marketing, they really don't have much of a choice, let alone bargaining power to negotiate terms. Yep. Clearly they need the labels to make the investment to produce the product and do the marketing. As a result the labels reap most of the profits since they are taking all the risk. If they want to monetize their art and cannot do it themselves they will have to pay a hefty fee. |
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| reply to me1212
uh, a sufficiently (as in it doesn't show up in rainbow tables) unique AP name with WPA-PSK strong WPA-PSK is uncrackable to most average users. WEP obviously can be cracked. the only way that i know to 'crack' wpa-enterprise is to some how get a hold of the security certificates. |
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Mark F
join:2007-08-01
Fort Wayne, IN | reply to me1212
I sometimes can't believe the stuff that seems to pass as rock and roll these days. I agree that if the music was better, like it once was, people would respond positively.
Mark F. |
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james
join:2001-02-26
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said by jsz0 :The artists agree to terms with the record labels. They have no one to blame but themselves. There is a huge monopoly when it comes to publishing music, or there has been until now. The internet does the job that publishers used to do: expose the music to the world so people will buy merchandise and fill up stadiums to see the band. That is exactly why the recording industry is trying so hard to shut down music trading, it's doing their job for them FOR FREE. |
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james
join:2001-02-26
antarctica
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said by cornelius785 :uncrackable to most average users. So you admit my client is not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, thank you. Your honor, I rest my case. |
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JustOneOpinion
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| Tired of Lame Excuses
I am soooo.... tired of lame excuses, made by people who want a free copy of some musician's work that I could just puke and I do wish I could puke right here in front of everyone.
Which part of theft is hard for dslreports? If I were to make a web site that simply stole all of dslreports, Karl, and rebranded it, would that be enough to help you understand the difference between original work and stolen work?
Honestly, I, one of many, simply want honesty and truth to prevail in the market place, so when will music thieves, file sharer's and their ilk, be honest with themselves and the rest of us?
Let me guess... NEVER. I've been around this business since I bought my first Commodore 64 in 1983. Back in the day, we stole software, oh, hell yes we stole software. Half trackin', short trackin', long trackin', we knew how to diddle the bits and find a track on our floppy that would let us steal someone else's software. And we did it, and they are gone.
You figure it out. |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
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Re: I dislike when people steal songs, but
said by swhitney2003 :said by me1212 :What if your neighbor is stealing your internet via wifi Easy, password protect your wifi. Please allow me to point out what I believe to be a few flaws with your statement.
First, most people who buy wireless routers don't even know how to set them up. It's a given that just driving down the street will turn up SSIDs of linksys, dlink, belkin, netgear, eHome, and others all broadcasting unsecured. In most cases, the default password is still intact as well.
Actually, to say that they are "secured" is an oxymoron. Most people who did by some chance "secure" their access points have older hardware, and by limitation, can only secure with as high as WEP, which as anyone who follows the 802.11 spec, should know, is about as secure and putting a glass window between a Ferrari and the Keys in the ignition, and the outside world. (»www.techworld.com/security/news/···sid=8456)
So of course, one might say "use WPA". Of course the hardware limitation re-presents itself once more. Then again, a proof-of-concept of cracking WPA was presented in 2004. By the end of last year, WPA was being cracked in 12 minutes. (»www.pcworld.com/article/153396/.html)
Now the obvious conclusion here would be to suggest the usage of WPA2. Once again, the factor of hardware limitations rears its head; and this time, it does so with a vengeance.
Blocking by MAC address? How secure! (»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_spoofing)
Not broadcasting your SSID? I think I just chuckled.
Now this is not a personal attack. The point is that there truthfully is no way to secure a wireless link. If someone wants in bad enough, they will get in. |
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