hayabusa3303
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clubs: | doesnt suprise me
Att and tw wishes they could do what they did. Jealous maybe you couldnt do it there att and tw ? |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | I hope TW and ATT loose!
There I said it! |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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| When you don't have to be responsible...
When you don't have to be responsible for the money you spend you can do things like this.
"Ban cities from pricing service below the cost of providing the service."
Oh you mean like run the network like a real business and not a government agency? If they would only apply this law to everything government does. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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Jamestown, NC
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|  Serve the People
The institution of Government is there to serve the people as well as the interests of private enterprise. In this case, Wilson did everything right, they went to private business first and when turned down, actually decided to do what they were elected to do -- improve the lives of their residents.
First Time Warner and now this, man I have too many letters to write this week. |
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Bit
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| So much for the "anyone can get into the business" argument
This is proof that our infrastructure needs severe gov't regulation because these corporate interests limit or refuse deployment or put customers over a barrel with draconian TOS/AUP, horrible service & high prices. Then when a town is fed up with the extortion and crap service and decides to deploy, the incumbents sue and bribe to stop new competitors from entering the market.
And before we read all the B.S. about how it's "unfair" to face muni competition, private hospitals, private schools, Fedex, UPS, space launch companies, and tons more compete with gov't every day and have no trouble. |
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Bit
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Re: When you don't have to be responsible...
Oh, they mean like the predatory pricing Comcast was engaged in?
»Comcast Vs. Utopia
»'Discounted' Competition
...or Verizon who in competitive markets charges FAR less for 50Mb service than they do in other markets. |
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Goldman
join:2002-06-21
Maumelle, AR | It's a shame
I guess Wilson didn't have anything better it could do with $28 million than replicate a service offered by private companies. This is a totally irresponsible use of tax dollars. |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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|  Bills make good sense - avoid tax cross-subsidization
These bills don't stop gov't broadband. They merely prevent taxpayer moneys for other services like trash, water & electric from subsidizing broadband costs.
From the city officials complaining about these bills own web site:
»savencbb.wordpress.com/about/
The bills would:
* Prohibit cities from moving money between broadband and other divisions. So, Wilson citizens can’t expect to see any of their subscription fees go to pave streets and build basketball courts. Does that make sense?
* Ban cities from pricing service below the cost of providing the service. Cable and phone companies run temporary cheap sign-up specials all the time. I doubt they’re following that rule even now. In other words, the bills would prevent cities from finding more ways to raise taxes not dedicated to the reason they were created for in the 1st place. If city broadband can't pay its own way, then it shouldn't exist.
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PhoenixDown
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clubs:  | It also sounds like it would prevent the city from using extra capital earned with the broadband services on other state services - thus reducing the tax burden. |
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TKJunkMail
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1 edit | Wilson, NC cable prices
»www.greenlightnc.com/home/internet/
That hyped 100 mbps symmetrical service is pretty pricey. $300 and then only if you also buy voice or cable TV as well.
If you want internet only, the only speed available is 20 mbps symmetrical and at $5 more per month than the bundled price.
But the bundled 10 mbps symmetrical internet price is very nice.
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PhoenixDown
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Fresh Meadows, NY
clubs: | reply to Goldman
Re: It's a shame
What part of "private companies didn't want to provide the service" did you not understand? |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Bills make good sense - avoid tax cross-subsidization
said by PhoenixDown  :It also sounds like it would prevent the city from using extra capital earned with the broadband services on other state services - thus reducing the tax burden. And the chance that will happen? Nil??
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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Re: When you don't have to be responsible...
If comcast runs out of money in their ventures they can go to someone who will willing give them money. If the City government runs out of money they go to the taxpayers who have to give the money if they are willing or not. |
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Bit
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00000 | No, Comcast being in an oligopoly simply raises their prices and they've been doing so at 3X the rate of inflation for more than a decade. |
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Bit
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Re: Wilson, NC cable prices
Considering that my DS1 1500/1500 is $400, and that is considered dirt cheap, $300 for 100000/100000 sounds like a smoking deal to me. |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | reply to Bit
Re: When you don't have to be responsible...
As a consumer you can opt out of that rate increase by canceling your service. As a tax payer you can only move out of town. |
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Matt
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said by battleop :If comcast runs out of money in their ventures they can go to someone who will willing give them money. If the City government runs out of money they go to the taxpayers who have to give the money if they are willing or not. And the government NEVER gives free money to private business do they? Did you read the article? It mentions that in the past Embarq (the ILEC in the area) was given grants to build-out. Isn't that taxpayer money, only, it doesn't really benefit them as the return on that investment is piddly DSL.
You don't think government gives incentives, like tax breaks, right-of-way usage, and free land to local companies so they will come to their area? It's all taxpayer money, only in the case of the government, profits and golden parachutes aren't allowed so more of the money goes to benefit the citizens.
I'll take 100Mbps fiber for half the price any day. |
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Matt
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Re: It's a shame
said by PhoenixDown :What part of "private companies didn't want to provide the service" did you not understand? The part that made him cringe when he though of the effect that losing 10,000 customer would have on his Time Warner and Embarq stock. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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Jamestown, NC
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Re: Wilson, NC cable prices
Look at Time Warner's pricing for that area pre-Greenlight.
Here, I'll post it for you:
$45.99 for 5Mbps/384Kbps or $54.99 for 7Mbps/512Kbps.
And that of course is assuming you have TV and/or phone with Time Warner too. If not add another couple bucks. |
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iansltx
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Expense-wise Wilson probably priced this so they wouldn't lose money. A good thing. 40/40 is cheaper than 50/20 FiOSand 60/60 and 100/100 are faster. Personally, I'd be perfectly fine getting 20/20 for less than I'm paying for 8/2 right now, and that's the tier I'd probably buy anyhow.
About competition etc., if the duopoly won't build it, I have no problem with a municipality turning things on. Let's be cynical here: the worst that could happen is, for a short period, AT&T and TWC lowering prices to an obscenely low level and/or upping speeds and technologies to cpmete until Greenlight is out of business. Then someone buys the fiber and there is some benefit for the $28 million cost.
What's more likely? GreenLight follows in the footsteps of LUS. It'll take awhile, but it'll succeed and the results will be a hallmark of things to come. |
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