Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Netflix has it right
Flat rate for streaming movies. I don't even mind if they limit it to say 10 per month or offer different plans.
Offer more content in HD and they have a winner. |
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SLD
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join:2002-04-17
 ·Comcast
1 edit | I don't pirate movies but...
I don't pirate movies but... there are many HBO/Showtime series I'd love to watch, but they won't sell them online unless they are 2 years outdated.
And Comcast won't let me signup for Showtime or HBO without paying $55 for a digital package of junk I don't want.
I'd be happy to pay $2 for an episode of Dexter or $1 for Weeds (only 30 minutes). I'd also be happy to subscribe to those channels for the $15/mo they charge. But Comcast isn't getting a $55 surcharge for that, not from me. |
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PToN
join:2001-10-04
Houston, TX
| ATT U-verse is almost there
Well, i've been a Uverse user since the service became available in the houston area and i just bought a VOD the other night, a HD movie and it started to stream in just 5seconds.
I dont mind paying is the service is as good as what i have experienced with U-Verse. They only need to expand their catalog.
With u-verse you can actually pay for individuals shows that you can get from HBO, Showtime, etc without to actually having to have their channels... |
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o2cool8
join:2002-04-19
Miami, FL | reply to Eat Me
Re: Netflix has it right
i agree. more netflix instant stream in HD from my xbox(and add ps3 even though i dont own one). Since they do weekly heroes update, I have no need to hit a torrent since for episodes, I just wish they did weekly updates to more shows. |
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Sir Meowmix III
| Make it multiplatform.
Whatever the solution is, lets hope it's multi-platform. Regardless of your preference for an OS the fact is the demographic isn't purely Windows and inclusion of DRM shouldn't be synonymous with Internet content. There's OS X, Linux/UNIX, Windows users who don't want to be alienated.
I shouldn't have to clobber together a solution in WINE or VMWare nor should OS X users.
Make the solution multi-platform and you expose your demographic to more potential for ad-revenue, the entire point of all TV to begin with. |
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Tcomp
join:2008-07-29
Greenbelt, MD
| Dose of reality
The reality behind this debate boils down to one simple thing - money. Studios make more money with status quo than they do with Internet distribution. Until that changes, they're not going to move. Now we can argue they're being short sighted, which may come back to haunt them later. But these guys are capitalists - they're doing what every capitalist does - maximizing profit. |
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SLD
Premium
join:2002-04-17
1 edit | I concur. And that is why I'm voting with my dollars. I cancelled my entire cable package a year ago, and I'm finding more productive things to do with my time. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
 ·North State Commun..
| reply to Sir Meowmix III
Re: Make it multiplatform.
said by Sir Meowmix III :
Whatever the solution is, lets hope it's multi-platform. Regardless of your preference for an OS the fact is the demographic isn't purely Windows and inclusion of DRM shouldn't be synonymous with Internet content. There's OS X, Linux/UNIX, Windows users who don't want to be alienated.
I shouldn't have to clobber together a solution in WINE or VMWare nor should OS X users.
Make the solution multi-platform and you expose your demographic to more potential for ad-revenue, the entire point of all TV to begin with.
Video DRM is about as non-intrusive as it gets, at least on Windows. So I don't care if they want to embed DRM into the media, just make the terms reasonable ala the iTunes old DRM where you could play it on 5 machines tied to your account.
I do think they should go to a non-licensed codec for the video however, but I think we'd be back at square one because then whomever creates the DRM method would have to support multiple platforms. OS X would be easy aside from the "We're Apple We Must Control Everything" mentality, but Linux would be a nightmare. You couldn't provide source-code for it, so you're stuck with binaries and whiny 13-year olds who don't want to run things that "taint" their kernel. |
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jadebangle
Premium
join:2007-05-22
Olathe, KS
·SureWest Internet
·AT&T Yahoo
·Comcast
|  so the pirate are now abandoning their hobby of piracy???
LMAO!!!PIRACY IS LIKE A DISEASE That infect millions a day... IT WILL NEVER DIE UNLESS YOU GOT A CURE CALLED EVERYTHING IS FREE
OH WAIT.... uh when was the last time in life that anything was free? in capitalist world piracy will always exist as the underdog ^_^ |
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jadebangle
Premium
join:2007-05-22
Olathe, KS
·SureWest Internet
·AT&T Yahoo
·Comcast
| reply to o2cool8
Re: Netflix has it right
said by o2cool8  :i agree. more netflix instant stream in HD from my xbox(and add ps3 even though i dont own one). Since they do weekly heroes update, I have no need to hit a torrent since for episodes, I just wish they did weekly updates to more shows. I think netflix sucks... I'm not paying a penny for it and I don't think it worth my time or money to watch useless garbage
Its an addiction like alcohol
Junk in, junk out! Just must also enjoy eating out a lot like mcdonald, wendy, burger king and drink a lot of coke LMAO! |
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maartena
Super Grover
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| One of the problems.... is not repeating prime time shows.
The only time I ever seem to torrent something, is when our livingroom DVR is recording two things that evening... (OR it is recording one thing, and I want to see the game on another channel) ... and there is something on a third channel I want to see/record.
If they would simply REPEAT the same show in the overnight hours, I would just set my DVR to record that. Right now, if you say.... miss an episode of "Fringe", it does not come back on TV until the series is syndicated to another channel 2 years later, or if you are lucky they run the repeats in the summer break, and it's up to you to find the missing episode.
Now with "Fringe" as the example you can go to Fox on Demand and watch the episode online. But not all TV stations offer this for their shows, and where I can watch the h.264 file from a torrent straight on my 40" HDTV by using my Media Center PC, going to the website, and using their MOVE player is more of a hassle. I can't pause it using my Media Center remote (or rewind), meaning I need to keep a mouse connected to my Media Center PC just to operate the viewer/player.
And as said, many shows are not available online as not all stations provide this service.
A lot of this could be resolved by simply repeating prime time television overnight.... but hey, since that actually costs money, and the amazing-things-for-19.95 overnight infomercials actually bring in money.... it's never going to happen.
Alternatively, (which is hard with satellite, but easy to do with cable, uverse and fios) every prime time show needs to be "on demand" through your cable provider. I love HBO on demand for that very reason in case I miss Big Love.
Movies I don't download, or hardly at all. I'll just wait till it shows up on HBO a year later. 
But TV series? You can't miss ONE or there is a gap and you could miss the story line. So sometimes there is no alternative but to download it, as the TV stations simply won't put on a second showing (although HBO and SciFi for starters DO) on their schedule.
They should just offer it online, with commercials cut in for all I care, as a h.264 or divx file two days after it aired, for those who missed it and want to see it again. It would be the same as Tivo-ing it the first time around.
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maartena
Super Grover
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to jadebangle
Re: Netflix has it right
said by jadebangle :said by o2cool8 :i agree. more netflix instant stream in HD from my xbox(and add ps3 even though i dont own one). Since they do weekly heroes update, I have no need to hit a torrent since for episodes, I just wish they did weekly updates to more shows. I think netflix sucks... I'm not paying a penny for it and I don't think it worth my time or money to watch useless garbage Its an addiction like alcohol Junk in, junk out! Just must also enjoy eating out a lot like mcdonald, wendy, burger king and drink a lot of coke LMAO! But.... are you paying for any kind of television service? (satellite, cable, etc)
One could make the "useless garbage" argument there as well. |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| Byzantine is right
You look at the layered contractual system that has built up since the demise of the Studio System. The Movie rights holders, The writers, The production companies, the actors, the makeup artists, the editors, the Cameramen, etc, etc, etc, etc.................etc. Just watch the credits at the new Star Trek Movie, everyone of those names works for a company with a piece of the action. And then there are the constant back stabbing, complaints, lawsuits for perceived cheating, and non-payment. Look at the First Heavy Metal Anima movie, it took years for all of the parties to agree to terms so a DVD could be released. What is interesting despite all of the money that is being argued over not one Hollywood movie has ever made a profit.
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I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's.
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| they should just simply do it
and worry about the legal and contract bullshit later. the legal world moves way too slow for the digital world and sometimes it will just have to be pushed aside.
basicly they have the resources now to sell digital copies of movies and TV shows, DRM free off their own websites. come up with a percentage to pay the royalties to the right parties and get going. then work out the legal details later, because piracy isnt slowing and wont slow.
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
Premium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs:
 ·T-Mobile US
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to maartena
Re: Netflix has it right
said by maartena :said by jadebangle :said by o2cool8 :i agree. more netflix instant stream in HD from my xbox(and add ps3 even though i dont own one). Since they do weekly heroes update, I have no need to hit a torrent since for episodes, I just wish they did weekly updates to more shows. I think netflix sucks... I'm not paying a penny for it and I don't think it worth my time or money to watch useless garbage Its an addiction like alcohol Junk in, junk out! Just must also enjoy eating out a lot like mcdonald, wendy, burger king and drink a lot of coke LMAO! But.... are you paying for any kind of television service? (satellite, cable, etc) One could make the "useless garbage" argument there as well. precisely. I am the dude the studios and cable companies fear:
I cut off my satellite TV, and cable internet, went down to cheaper 6mbps DSL, and added a $9/mo netflix subscription so I can get unlimited movies on my 360, and a 1 time fee for PlayOn.
My monthly fee went from ~$120/mo for a ton of channels I never watched, to $50/mo for exactly what I want to watch when I want it.
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"What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning."
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
·Comcast
·Embarq
| Have your entertainment your way Ointment or Suppository.
 Have your entertainment your way, Ointment or Suppository. Remember the Cable / Satellite entertainment industry is not Burger King and since there is no competition you cannot have it your way, you have to take it their way. If you complain they tell you to go somewhere else for your entertainment or F#*K off. |
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vag16v
join:2001-07-27
hereandthere | They should deliver the content...
The onus should 100% be on the film industry to provide us with a suitable alternative to piracy, and make sure it works.
If they don't want us all to partake in piracy, then they need to be the ones to do something about it. |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
·PenTeleData
 ·Future Nine Corpor..
·VOIPo
·Vonage
| reply to jadebangle
Re: Netflix has it right
said by jadebangle :I think netflix sucks... I'm not paying a penny for it and I don't think it worth my time or money to watch useless garbage Its an addiction like alcohol Junk in, junk out! Just must also enjoy eating out a lot like mcdonald, wendy, burger king and drink a lot of coke LMAO! That's why I said I wished they had more content in HD.
The business model is good. Lack of content is not. |
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axiomatic
join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX
| adapt or fail
"but they're limited by "a byzantine set of contractual relationships between many different kinds of companies studios, distributors, cable channels, telecom companies, and others.""
Sounds like whining to me. You business model is ancient film industry. Adapt or fail. Sounds like they need to join the millennium. |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
Premium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| They're largely doing the latter. Although it may seem like the Pirate Bay verdict is a win for them, it is only a short term one. In the long run, it will become as huge of a failure as Napster was for the music industry.
Nothing they've done to date has done a thing to stop piracy; if they had adapted early on, they could have profited from it instead of spending millions in a futile effort to stop it.
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"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)
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