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Comments on news posted 2009-04-24 17:21:52: For half a decade Comcast customers complained about being booted from the network for consuming too much bandwidth, though Comcast never stated just how much bandwidth was too much. ..
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moon1234
@charter.com
| Look to Verizon for leadership I don't understand why Karl B. was praising Comcast for putting a 250GB cap in place.
If anything we should be looking to Verizon as a true champion of internet freedom. FIOS is what the internet was MEANT to be.
- No caps
- Speeds that can keep up with modern computers.
- Modern network ready to go for HD video
- Network ready for the next 20 years of upgrades
- Fair pricing for data plans.
The cable companies are a joke. They implement CAPS, overage charges, etc. They are NOT innovators. They are nothing more than greedy executives who want to bilk every last penny out of Joe consumer.
I have Charter, which suprisingly in my area, never has called me on my usage. I will consume several hundred GB one month and many 40 the next. Just depends what is on TV. They have been pretty reliable, fair in pricing and even though they list a CAP they have never enforced it yet that I have noticed. | |
| | SuperWISP
join:2007-04-17
Laramie, WY
| In other words, "freedom" means "service below cost" Bandwidth costs money -- even for providers that own "Tier 1" backbones. What's more, Verizon's Terms of Service do include restrictions on what can be done with the service. And there are substantial caps and overage charges on its wireless data services. | |
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moon1234
@spcsdns.net | Re: In other words, "freedom" means "service below cost" so you want a plan with no terms?
Wireless is a whole different medium and is not what is being discssed. | |
| benjy117
join:2009-04-21
Shreveport, LA
| I dont understand it... but I do money wise Why would they set such low caps. My isp is a mom n pop shop with a 15gb limit. They don't charge extra they throw users in a slower up/downstream. I complained for two years unit they installed a second DS3 for over 1500 users at 4meg down. It finally happened and it works out great now.
What is hurting them from a user downloading 100 gigs a month? Nothing at all that's what. What does the internet consist of? FIber wires and data lines that go from point A to point B. If the lines are saturated by too many users.. time to put some more FIBER IN DONT YA THINK??? And if the provider won't install new circuits tellem to go to hell!
My company pays AT&T for their circuits hope they wont be charging businesses the same way... | |
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jadebangle
Premium
join:2007-05-22
Olathe, KS
 ·SureWest Internet
·AT&T Yahoo
 ·Comcast
| Re: I dont understand it... but I do money wise said by benjy117  :Why would they set such low caps. My isp is a mom n pop shop with a 15gb limit. They don't charge extra they throw users in a slower up/downstream. I complained for two years unit they installed a second DS3 for over 1500 users at 4meg down. It finally happened and it works out great now. What is hurting them from a user downloading 100 gigs a month? Nothing at all that's what. What does the internet consist of? FIber wires and data lines that go from point A to point B. If the lines are saturated by too many users.. time to put some more FIBER IN DONT YA THINK??? And if the provider won't install new circuits tellem to go to hell! My company pays AT&T for their circuits hope they wont be charging businesses the same way... I understand perfectly well
users complain about slow speed in road runner forums at dslr is obvious that their circuit are overloaded
you think they would invest in upgrading their network costing them money and in result giving more user bandwidth?
the stock investor is their priority, making more profits and pissing off many of their current user or customer is of no concern to them.
They want to limit your use and charge more if you use more then the limit that they set such as 5gb, 10gb,20gb,30gb,40gb,50gb ain't that a pain
Their customer is treated like a sheep and are milked like a cow... the only age group that are not bothered by this are the elderly or disabled 
Enjoy your road runner nazi metered connection ^_^ | |
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Bit
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join:2009-02-19
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 ·VOIPo
·Cox HSI
1 edit | The so-called hogs are easy to control The real capacity crunch in DOCSIS is saturation of the upstream channels, usually though torrents. If they really were concerned with controlling traffic they would simply set a 10GB monthly upload cap. This would slow BT traffic considerably because users would be less willing to share if they're paying to share or would quit at 1:1 or 2:1 share ratio.
So why not do it? Because they have no interest in controlling "traffic"; only interest in controlling competitors, specifically streaming video competitors like Apple, Amazon, Microsoft and Netflix who are increasingly cutting into their high margin VOD PPV business.
With overages they aim to price streaming video competitors out of the market. All of a sudden a $5 (or whatever) HD rental from iTunes becomes $9 with TWC overage fees. Who would pay $9 when you can get it from TWC On Demand for $6?
This has been the plan all along...defending those video revenues. | |
| alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
|  How is this Metered?
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| | Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
| Re: How is this Metered? Alchav
Do you have any idea how small 5GB is? I email my nephew more pictures than that in a month (he likes zoo animals but lives 12hrs from the nearest zoo).
Any GBs downloaded during non peak hours costs TWC (HSI side) absolutely nothing extra (0). They pay for their bandwidth by the peak Mbps not by the GB. Take a look at their 2008 10K their direct costs for HSI were only $146 million while their revenues for HSI were $4.2 BILLION. | |
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uid1307457
Premium
join:2005-12-30
Tempe, AZ
·Qwest.net
·Convergent Interne..
 ·DIRECTV
4 edits | Re: How is this Metered? said by Lazlow :Alchav Do you have any idea how small 5GB is? I email my nephew more pictures than that in a month (he likes zoo animals but lives 12hrs from the nearest zoo). Any GBs downloaded during non peak hours costs TWC (HSI side) absolutely nothing extra (0). They pay for their bandwidth by the peak Mbps not by the GB. Take a look at their 2008 10K their direct costs for HSI were only $146 million while their revenues for HSI were $4.2 BILLION. This puts downloading 25GB in perspective (example, 600 photos are 1GB).
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What is 25GB?
A geek would tell you that it's used when referring to the storage capacity of a hard drive.
25 GB in numbers
Lets put 25 GB in perspective with some numbers. Crunch away!
25 GB is the maximum storage capacity of a Blu-Ray disc.
25 GB is also a blazingly fast broadband connection.
When it arrives, USB 3.0 will be able to transfer 25 GB worth of files in 70 seconds.
Addicted to work or simply chained to your desk, that's a mammoth 1,619,550 documents. I can only imagine the word count.
If we want to have some fun you could hypothetically store roughly 75 episodes of your favourite TV show, which in turn translates to 3420 minutes of downloaded TV. If we're talking seminal real-time drama '24' that's just shy of three seasons, each season being 24 episodes long. Now that's a lot of Jack Bauer.
If ear candy is more your bag you could open your own library with 3000 audiobooks. Or why not instead download 5000 mp3s of the Alexandra Burke single, which would provide you with 17,500 minutes of listening pleasure/displeasure?
Are you a keen photographer with an itchy trigger finger? If so 25GB would provide enough space for 15000 photos. Assuming you take 80 photos at the annual office Christmas party, that's 187.5 years worth of drunken shenanigans.
Netflix instant movie facts
13 SD movies (1.8GB each) per 25GB
8 HD movies (3GB each) per 25GB
I watch close to 80 SD movies/series a month on my laptop. This means I use at least 150GB a month by only using netflix...now add in my online school sessions (Adobe Connect for three hours [you do the GB math there]), email checking, checking dsreports.com, watching hulu, watching some youtube, downloading stuff from itunes, etc (everything I do is legal). I also have another PC that four other people are constantly on.
This makes me glad I have Qwest.
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I will grammar police you. | |
| | | | Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | Re: How is this Metered? If you have a 10 megapixel camera(like I do) then you only get 100 pictures per GB. | |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
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join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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| said by uid1307457 :Netflix instant movie facts 13 SD movies (1.8GB each) per 25GB 8 HD movies (3GB each) per 25GB I watch close to 80 SD movies/series a month on my laptop. This means I use at least 150GB a month by only using netflix...now add in my online school sessions (Adobe Connect for three hours [you do the GB math there]), email checking, checking dsreports.com, watching hulu, watching some youtube, downloading stuff from itunes, etc (everything I do is legal). 168 hours in a week, 672 hours in a month.
Assuming a low 6 hours of sleep per night, that leaves 504 waking hours in the month.
Assuming an average duration of 80 minutes for Netflix content * 80 viewing session = 6400 minutes or almost 107 hours.
So you're saying you spend over 21% of your waking hours just watching Netflix content on your laptop? | |
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uid1307457
Premium
join:2005-12-30
Tempe, AZ
·Qwest.net
·Convergent Interne..
·DIRECTV
| Re: How is this Metered? said by espaeth :said by uid1307457 :Netflix instant movie facts 13 SD movies (1.8GB each) per 25GB 8 HD movies (3GB each) per 25GB I watch close to 80 SD movies/series a month on my laptop. This means I use at least 150GB a month by only using netflix...now add in my online school sessions (Adobe Connect for three hours [you do the GB math there]), email checking, checking dsreports.com, watching hulu, watching some youtube, downloading stuff from itunes, etc (everything I do is legal). 168 hours in a week, 672 hours in a month. Assuming a low 6 hours of sleep per night, that leaves 504 waking hours in the month. Assuming an average duration of 80 minutes for Netflix content * 80 viewing session = 6400 minutes or almost 107 hours. So you're saying you spend over 21% of your waking hours just watching Netflix content on your laptop? yep | |
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Sodoshi
join:2009-04-27
Canton, OH
·AT&T Yahoo
| Why no alternatives? I have always wondered, why they obsess with monthly bandwidth. Something such as if you reach a cap on a day, say 10GB at full speed, just reduce the upload/download speeds to low DSL speeds until it resets the next day/week/month.
That would seem to reduce the amount "hogged", while still maintaining enough service for basic internet uses (browsing, email, IRC, gaming, SD video, what have you).
Except that this would be sensible and useful. Oh well... | |
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