footballdude
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I P Red? Seriously? |
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duder
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 next its kick down doors and beat the old lady and man for that mp3 |
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jmn1207
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Reston, VA | Seems Fair...
Provided that there is solid proof of piracy, which very rarely seems to be the case. |
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knightmb
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Witch Hunt gone Pirate Hunt
The 21st Century witch hunt for pirates begin! Just like centuries ago, you could accuse anyone of being a witch. Today, we can accuse anyone of being a pirate and use the tried and true method of attaching a heavy rock to them, throw them into the middle of the lake to see if they float.
It was stupid then, and the same concept is stupid now. Glad to see people are fighting it on all levels.
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PapaMidnight
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Re: whu?
said by footballdude  :I P Red? Seriously? More like "I PREDATOR" |
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PapaMidnight
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Re: Seems Fair...
Of course that's rarely the case. But try telling that to an uninformed judge, jury, and a misguided congressional body. |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
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Re: Witch Hunt gone Pirate Hunt
Is there an easy anonymous form to accuse someone of being a pirate?
if so I think Congress has a high percent of pirates
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TamaraB
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Re: Seems Fair...
said by PapaMidnight : ...But try telling that to an uninformed judge, jury ... I think the defense teams have told these people during trials. The problem seems to be deeper, more like judges and juries are siding with industry against individuals.
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DarkLogix
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TamaraB
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| said by DarkLogix :and judges having stock in the plaintif Absolutely! That doesn't explain juries though. By now people should be aware of the fascist and rapacious nature/tactics of the music and film industry. If I were on a jury, I would NEVER rule in favor of these bums, no matter what the "evidence" seemed to say. Of course, I would likely never be allowed to sit on such a jury.
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DarkLogix
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what If the RIAA said they would give you a percent of the winnings? |
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TamaraB
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said by jmn1207 :Provided that there is solid proof of piracy ... Well .... If there is "proof", then I could agree with a government prosecutor issuing a subpoena for the data. But what we have here is a private company demanding data on what could be a whim. Why should a private company be able to circumvent due process?
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knightmb
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Re: Witch Hunt gone Pirate Hunt
said by DarkLogix :Is there an easy anonymous form to accuse someone of being a pirate? if so I think Congress has a high percent of pirates lol Between Grandmom's, Kids, and Dead People being part of the people accused of pirates, all you need is a lawyer and a John Doe lawsuit. At least hundreds of years ago, it took someone to actually accuse, today we just get a lawyer to do it.
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TamaraB
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Re: Seems Fair...
said by DarkLogix :what If the RIAA said they would give you a percent of the winnings? I would take their offer to get on the jury, and then screw them in deliberations!
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DarkLogix
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Baytown, TX | reply to TamaraB
I personally think they they should be required to turn off logging that could have an end-user's IP in it
(maybe allow true diagnostic logging but thats it)
The ISP should be reduced to only knowing what IP someone has right now |
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DarkLogix
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but if they make the same offer to everyone on the jury it'll be quite hard depending on the contry's laws on civil cases and if its civil or criminal (you might win on reasonable doubt in a criminal case in the US but a civil case they might still rob the person blind) |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
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Re: Witch Hunt gone Pirate Hunt
I don't want to be the one sueing just to triger the RIAA to sue some congressmen (or something along those lines) |
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TamaraB
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Re: Seems Fair...
said by DarkLogix :I personally think they they should be required to turn off logging that could have an end-user's IP in it (maybe allow true diagnostic logging but thats it) The ISP should be reduced to only knowing what IP someone has right now Don't know. Having run an ISP there is valid reason to have such data, at least for a time. Mainly for security reasons. It's nice to go back a bit and see if the spamming report was true, to know which account to cancel. Or the hack attempt from your servers was for real. Handing data over to a private company was always a NONO! Complying with a subpoena is another thing, and security audits are sometime necessary.
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DarkLogix
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| Well I could understand monitoring for spambots and such
but perhaps a script that would delete the uneeded data (ie below danger levels) so threats could be found
the law would take some iorning out to get the parts needed for security and anoninimity figured |
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TamaraB
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| said by DarkLogix :the law would take some iorning out to get the parts needed for security and anoninimity figured We already have a law in this country. The government needs a subpoena to get data, how is the RIAA and MPAA exempt?
There's the problem. The Constitution guarantees us the right to be secure in our persons and papers. If we allow a private company to violate the constitution, then we allow the government, by corporate-proxy to violate it as well. That's the dangerous slope here. Deleting data is a bad thing as it gives tacit consent to the violation itself. One should fight this on more legal grounds.
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