DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | ROI
I would think the ROI on sat based broadband is not worth it |
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brawney
Premium
join:2002-03-02
Frederick, MD
 ·Comcast
 ·magicjack.com
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Tax $$ Could be Better Spent
I can see putting some tax money into Satellite (even though it sucks big time) to help out those in the middle of nowhere who can't get anything else, but only a small portion of the total money going into broadband help.
Satellite sux any way you look at it. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
·VOIPo
| Don't give them much if any of our money....
I had them, they suck, a LOT and it is ALWAYS your fault if you have a problem and if you have a wireless router even better(worse for you). I hope they do not get one cent of our money, unless they make their network not suck and if they do not no money for them. Give it to good WISPs and make sure their network can support VoIP(it should be a "must" for any (W)ISP getting our money), or even wired ISPs if they are willing to expand to more rural areas. |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| No capper should get government money.
But more importantly government money should only be spend on installing fiber to the home. Nothing else is worth the costs. Also satellite isn't even broadband. A one second delay + caps make it useless for anything but web surfing without videos. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | I agree 100% NO ISP with a cap should be given any of our money, if they ever do get a cap they MUST pay it ALL back. And if we should be investing in anything fiber is the way to go. |
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Luwigie
Premium
join:2002-06-06
East Lansing, MI
clubs:
| reply to insomniac84
Fiber is probably the preferred long term goal...But other technologies that can be deployed faster and more cost efficiently would be welcome by all the have nots as well. I don't think fiber should necessarily be the only technology to get a nod.
As for capping there should be stipulations for how ridiculously companies can "manage" their networks. |
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chd176
join:2003-01-10
Winfield, AL
·CenturyLink
| expand real broadband
I think instead of investing in a last ditch solution for broadband more of the traditional forms of broadband (IE wireless, DSL, and cable) should be given some help from the government HOWEVER they must clearly state in order to receive a grant they must start expanding prior to getting the money, that way they can't take the money then sit on their hands.
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10,000/768 CenturyTel PPPoE DSL line (really 5,000/768  ) Now it's really 1500/256...again lol |
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DataRiker
Premium
join:2002-05-19
Metairie, LA
clubs: | FAP'ed
Well i think that this is ###################
PLEASE TRY AGAIN IN 3 HOURS |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
·Comcast Workplace
·Comcast
| reply to chd176
Re: expand real broadband
I agree if we can't kill the wild spending the gov is doing then
at least require they complete a few steps
1. Order new equ in amounts needed to actually deploy to all service areas + 20% of non-current areas (or so much that they need to money to avoid bankruptcy)
2. deploy the new gear to 50% of areas not on the new tech yet
so for Comcast they would need to buy enough CMTS's and Cable modems to deploy to all areas that currently have D2 service plus to 20% of areas that don't have any broadband
then after 5 ISP's take the money then there wouldn't be any area that doesn't have real broadband
also in the set of standards for this real broadband should be described as within 5% of the current maximum speed available from a cunsumer ISP
(Ie CableVision will offer 101Mbit so they would all have to have a 96Mbit tiear available at bare minimum) it would just have to be available
next the 2nd tier from the 95% rule tier should be no less than half the speed of the top tier (ie 95Mbit is top so 47.5Mbit would be 2nd) and the 2nd must have a reasonable price |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | joe six pack
And joe six packs think satellite internet is better than cable.
Its "SA-TEL-LITE". "FAP"????? Whats a GB???? Why is my dang computer slow again, must be hackers and viruses. |
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Simba7
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
·Bresnan Online
2 edits | Satellite is DEAD..
I don't think they get it that Satellite is pretty much a dead end.
10mbps? Hell, even some of the newer wireless technologies will eat that for lunch.. and if you have wired, jeez. My Cable Modem is faster than that.
Although, WB is a hell of alot better than HughesNet's crap. At least they give you a 17GB chunk instead of 150MB/day max then they drop you to less than dialup speeds. WTF??
I think HughesNet should give up and die off. They have the oldest, shi**iest technology out there. Sure, it was great a decade ago, but sure as hell not now.
Satellite isn't very upgradable either, unless you can get a 100Gbps Uplink to the satellite. Maybe they should try the beta technologies and get the fastest connection period (I heard Tbps speeds somewhere). Then they'll be able to handle the current capacity.
That's where I applaud Verizon's FiOS. Maybe more companies should follow them instead of trying to do newer things with old-as-hell technology (uhm.. DSL). Cable is old, but has the bandwidth to handle the traffic. The twisted pair? I'm surprised it's still being used.
What's the bandwidth of a single unshielded twisted pair again?
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Bresnan 15M/1M|MyWS[P4HT@4.01GHz,2GB RAM,2x1TB HDDs,WinXP]|WifeWS[P4@2.4GHz,1GB RAM,60GB HDD,WinXP]|Router[2xP3@1GHz,640MB RAM,18GB HDD,Allied Telesyn AT-2560FX,Kingston KNE100TX,2xDigital DE504,Compaq NC3131,iPro/1000DP,Blitz BWI715,Gentoo Linux] |
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ShellMMG
join:2009-04-16
Grass Lake, MI
 ·Alltel Axess
| Traded in WB
Alltel Axcess came through for me last year and I was finally able to hang my WB satellite in the garage.
Don't get me wrong -- they were much better than dialup. Compared to many users I had reliable service, a great install (Thank you, Waldron) and in 2+ years only had to have the dish repointed once. It was the 7.5GB FAP/cap that made me bang my head into the wall. When I signed the contract it started with 10G, but then they lopped 25% off all tiers and did NOT reduce the price. With two teenagers in the house plus a husband who's an adjunct professor, keeping below the cap and watching the FAP-O-Meter was a full time job for me. The nag list included, "pick up your socks, put your glass in the dishwasher, unplug the modem before you go to bed and NO You Tube until next week!"
If Uncle Sam really wants to help out we in rural areas they need to develop wifi, WiMax and encourage new technology rather than kill us with caps. Alltel is working out fine at the moment but when our unlimited contract expires in 18 months I'm going to be left to the mercy of Verizon. If they stick me with a 5G cap I'm in trouble. |
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Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
clubs:
| reply to patcat88
Re: joe six pack
said by patcat88  :And joe six packs think satellite internet is better than cable. Its "SA-TEL-LITE". "FAP"????? Whats a GB???? Why is my dang computer slow again, must be hackers and viruses. IMO, it is better.....for TV  |
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tubbynet
reminds me of the danse russe
Premium
join:2008-01-16
Chandler, AZ
·Cox HSI
·Callcentric
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·FrontierNet Intern..
| reply to me1212
Re: No capper should get government money.
the reason that everyone is looking to fiber as a panacea is simply because it has been in research and development for so long due to its use as a lan media. don't be so quick to count out the coaxial cable as a viable medium. its just that the research needs to follow. docsis 3 is proving to be a very quick way to upgrade speeds using existing infrastructure and modest upgrade fees.
what tends to be forgotten in all of this "fiber talk" is that several muni-ftth deployments have already occured, but are much less stellar (in terms of speed) than the recent ones in louisiana. everyone wants the symmetric 100meg speeds, but fails to realize the cost involved in such a deployment. isps/carriers should be interested in trying to future-proof their plant as best as possible, something that is done inherently with fiber. however, much of the fiber to the node used by the msos is already proofed and as technologies are being developed by motorola and cisco, they can be implemented in the plant and provide for customer expansion. i think the biggest issue lies in the fact that the big push for r&d hasn't come down the pipe until recently. design can only work so fast, and as a result we are seeing pre-standard and partially working bonding on the upstream. now that the push is there, i can safely say that the design should come faster and harder. lets not count out the future of coax.
the issue comes with the isps and not with the media being used.
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | I know coax is still ok, but in time fiber will be the only thing there is(I think). So why not do it right the first time? |
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Opticwonders
Premium
join:2009-03-31
united state
·Metrocast Communic..
·Comcast
| Are you joking?
Satellite is a joke! IMHO, it is far cheaper and easier to expand either cable, fiber, wireless, etc. in to any area. By the time Wildblue would launch the higher speed tiers, they would still be slow compared to terrestrial-based internet. If they were to offer 10mbps today, it would still only be average compared to usual speeds AND you have the unavoidable 2000ms latency.
I would rather have dialup =/
In other words, look elsewhere -- not at satellite. |
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Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | cable tv is joke next to satellite tv. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | Yes, but internet is the other way. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | reply to Cheese
Re: joe six pack
Just tv, and radio, but internet is a big fat NO WB is horrid I had it I know. Un-caped wireless is much better. |
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tubbynet
reminds me of the danse russe
Premium
join:2008-01-16
Chandler, AZ
·Cox HSI
·Callcentric
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·FrontierNet Intern..
| reply to me1212
Re: No capper should get government money.
said by me1212 :I know coax is still ok, but in time fiber will be the only thing there is(I think). So why not do it right the first time? no, in your opinion fiber is the only solution. you are completely unaware of what coax can do. again, you have totally skimmed my post. coax has *a lot* of life left, especially if it is pushed to the 2ghz spectrum.
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