DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | Hurry up and get here
I want 200Mbps |
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NbWY1
join:2003-05-23
Columbia, MD | Cable gone wild |
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glinc
join:2009-04-07
New York, NY | meh!
FiOS can do 400Mbps!!! |
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savaged
@drkw.com
|  200 what about 10??
Virgin Media - moving ahead but not finishing the job first. I don't think I'm alone in having problems getting the bandwidth promised. How about they get what they sell now working before doing the next thing. I've had an average less than 2Mbps since starting to pay for 10Mbps three months ago! Infrastructural issues are the cause according to their technical support team. With no fixed dates promised for correction.
BT sent me a cocky letter when I switch from them to virgin media, saying I'd regret it. Guess what, they were right. |
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Madness
Like a flea circus at a dog show.
join:2000-01-05
Quincy, MA | Geez
Regardless, one is still limited to whatever speed one can get out of the sending server.
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psbny
join:2002-01-06
Peekskill, NY
1 edit | reply to glinc
Re: meh!
if fios were to use the same architecture as cable aka shared service they could do 622/155Mb/s with bpon and 2.4/1.2Gb/s with gpon
edit: and that would be for each 32 customers not 250-500 |
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Madness
Re: Geez
said by Madness  :Regardless, one is still limited to whatever speed one can get out of the sending server. One might be limited to a single server, or to perhaps several servers. There is also the possibility of having multiple users. |
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right
| reply to Madness
But if you are doing some type of conferencing or VPN with another network that runs at the same speed, it feel like being on a LAN. It would also help for networks which have more than one computer. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| LOL throttling time
Your speeds are useless. with 20mbit plan,
(20/8)*60*60*24*31 = ~6700 GB unthrottled
(20/8)*60*60*11*31 = ~3070 GB per month off peak usage
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3*31=93 peak GB (much worse than Comcast's rarely enforced 250GB), just 20 mins of flooring your 20mbit connection (3000/(20/8)/60=20)
3070GB offpeak +
or assuming you go over the cap and try to floor it
((11*60)-20[mins of full speed time])*60*(20/8)*.75[throttle]*31[days]*(1/1024)=2200GB per month throttled peak
+93GB unthrottled peak
for a total of 5170GB per month, which means you lost 20% 1-((2300+3070)/6700) of your thearetical bandwidth to throttling
quote:
Bandwidth throttling
The cable broadband services do not have a specific bandwidth cap; however, on 3 May 2007 Virgin introduced "Subscriber Traffic Management" (STM). In particular, between the hours of 10am and 9pm the service provider may throttle down bandwidth for customers "downloading an unusually large amount at these times" (in line with one's package: 500 MB for the 2 Mbit/s package, 2000 MB for the 10 Mbit/s package and 3 GB for the 20 Mbit/s package) such that the speed of one's connection will decrease. To put this into perspective, a 20Mbit/s user is likely to trigger throttling if they download at full speed for approximately 22 minutes during peak hours. According to Virgin Media, this scheme aims to regulate bandwidth usage and to ensure that all customers get a fair share of the service provided. The scheme has been criticised as being overly punitive. Once the download limit is exceeded, the bandwidth throttle remains in place for 5 hours. The actual speed decrease depends on the package subscribed to, and ranges from a 50% reduction for the 2 Mbit/s to a 75% reduction for all others. [54]
A user on the 2Mb package will currently be throttled to 1 Mbit/s (50%) after downloading 500MB between the 4pm and 9pm "peak" window [54].
Virgin Media broadband, based on DOCSIS, runs over coaxial cable television connections in those areas with Cable TV and ADSL lines in areas that do not. Unlike ADSL connections, DOCSIS-based cable broadband remains largely unaffected by line attenuation, and provides long lease-time dynamic (not static) IP addresses to subscribers (based on the MAC address of the client device).
Virgin Media reportedly started conducting trials of a 100 Mbit/s broadband service on its cable network in April 2006.[55][56]
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Med···rottling |
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Araiden
join:2008-04-12
1 edit | reply to Madness
Re: Geez
Well, that's considering your only accessing one thing or one server. What about people with home networks, boxes that can stream hd movies, netflix, amazon etc. You can have up to 4 boxes per house. That doesn't include gaming, people surfing the web, downloading things. It's definately over kill at this point but I could probably use a 20 meg connection in my house with all the stuff going on we love the internet.  And as bandwidth increases you will see more and more things there to take advantage of all that bandwidth. I for one am excited to see companies offering speeds like this. |
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Simba7
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | reply to glinc
Re: meh!
The problem is..
Will Verizon actually offer those speeds? |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to right
Re: Geez
said by right :
But if you are doing some type of conferencing or VPN with another network that runs at the same speed, it feel like being on a LAN. It would also help for networks which have more than one computer.
Whats the upload? Internet says the upload for any single TCP download is 3% of the download speed/data.
200*.03=6mbps, not good news. |
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dlewis23
join:2005-04-18
Boca Raton, FL
| Can servers provide it?
Short answer NO.
At the moment 200 Mbps internet anything is pretty much useless because most servers can't provide it as they are only connected at 100 Mbps. Even servers with a 1 Gbps connection could then only have 5 people downloading at max speed at any one time.
This also sucks at the server end because computers that have this connection that get taken over can now take down the average server by them selves. |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
·Verizon FIOS
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·BroadVoice
| said by dlewis23 :Short answer NO. At the moment 200 Mbps internet anything is pretty much useless because most servers can't provide it as they are only connected at 100 Mbps. Some are connected at 100Mbps, however most are connected at 10Mbps or less. Sure its cool to have 200Mbps (yes, I would want it) however as pointed out its nothing more than bragging rights at this point.
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jadebangle
Premium
join:2007-05-22
Olathe, KS | If I could get 100mbps for 89.99 a month that would be the best thing in life...
50mbps for 49.99 a month will do as well...
Its not just speed the price as to be right too |
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jlivingood
Premium,VIP
join:2007-10-28
Philadelphia, PA
| reply to dlewis23
said by dlewis23 :Short answer NO. At the moment 200 Mbps internet anything is pretty much useless because most servers can't provide it as they are only connected at 100 Mbps. Even servers with a 1 Gbps connection could then only have 5 people downloading at max speed at any one time. This also sucks at the server end because computers that have this connection that get taken over can now take down the average server by them selves. The other interesting question apart from servers at one end and the access network at the other end is the (1) regional networks that are traversed and (2) backbone links that are traversed. Both of those need enough capacity as well.
While it is interesting to hear of something like 200Mbps or 300Mbps or whatever, if you aggregate all of those customers into a 1G or 10G regional network, it's not so meaningful. Thus, access network speeds need to be matched to regional and backbone capacity in addition to the capacity of the servers someone is trying to reach.
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niblifar
join:2004-02-12
Ohio | reply to dlewis23
It's not useless. Imagine a family of five or six that are heavy leechers. Simultaneous maxed out downloads happening at the same time would saturate that pipe.
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Ikyuao
Pro. debian Linux
join:2007-02-26
Wichita, KS
·Cox HSI
1 edit | TCP memory buffer issue
This won't give you lots of bandwidth unless you need set up a special TCP memory buffer be very large in order to have efficient bandwidth use so on vista with TCP normal parameter setting will give you lots of bandwidth speed as well as linux does that too so however server TCP buffer need be set up be large in order to provide physical 100 Mbits bandwidth or more bandwidth at long distance link of internet networks as well as clients needs be to have large TCP memory buffer too also.
And DOCSIS does not control buffer nor does not manage any TCP sessions so responsible is up to operating system and user as well.
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anonbandwidthhog
@solidspace.com
| reply to Araiden
Re: Geez
Right, I am on a 30/5 connection via cablevision
and I routinely max out the upload and I have maxed out the download a number of times, usage in the 20-30mbit range are common for me.
It's not about single transfers but entire network usage.
I have 3 desktops
1 media server,
PS3
XBOX360 with netflix streaming/xbox live
plus a laptop and multiple users.
they are going to offer 100/15 and if I had the extra cash I'd get it
how knows I might get it anyway lol |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
 ·PenTeleData
·Future Nine Corpor..
·VOIPo
·Vonage
| reply to psbny
Re: meh!
said by psbny :if fios were to use the same architecture as cable aka shared service they could do 622/155Mb/s with bpon and 2.4/1.2Gb/s with gpon edit: and that would be for each 32 customers not 250-500 Shared among 32 customers, 2.4Gbps GPON is around 400-480Mbps. |
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