pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Easy
Nobody! |
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MalibuMaxx
join:2007-02-06
Chesterton, IN | my router
they'd have to match the bandwidth report on my ddwrt router... |
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DataRiker
Premium
join:2002-05-19
Metairie, LA
clubs: | F this
and will they subtract all advertisements from my quota?
my year 2000 internet is starting to look better everyday |
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jjoshua
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ | I'm not paying
I'm not paying for traffic that doesn't go through my router.
What is the ISP going to do? Monitor the TCP connection to see what happened? How's that going to work for UDP or ICMP?
Good luck with that. |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | New business model starting up.
It won't be long for companies that pop up and offer remote monitoring via SNMP. Then you can match their counters and the telco's counters and see who is correct. |
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
 ·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Skype
| said by battleop  :It won't be long for companies that pop up and offer remote monitoring via SNMP. Then you can match their counters and the telco's counters and see who is correct. In a world where the ISPs use the TOS declare themselves the sole arbiter of what is fair, reasonable, or within policy, it doesn't matter what some 3rd-party meter says.
This is a terrific article. I'm glad Karl picked up on it!
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | Already exists?
How about the same government mechanisms which oversee gas and water metering? Or that which goes after gas stations who have messed with their dials? |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
·VOIPo
| Hmmmmm good point.
Who does!?
I hope the Government at least gives us an accurate meter so we know we are paying for more than we use. Which is from what I understand y the ISPs want this, because they say some r using more than they pay for.
Good article Karl. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
1 edit | reply to jjoshua
Re: I'm not paying
Exactly.
Last thing I'd want is UDP 'spam' flooding into my firewall (used or not) so that cable/telco can bill for overage.
Here's the problem:
Phone service - metered by airtime
Water - metered by usage (you can turn the tap 'off')
Electrical - metered by usage (you can flip the switch)
Gas - metered by usage (you can turn off the heater, etc)
Internet - you 'can' turn off your modem, but that may kill your phone service... udp traffic is connectionless, and can be counted even if your PC is off. Streamed UDP data could be in the GB. |
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avd706
insert annoying animated gif here
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Union, NJ | who watches....
... the watchmen... |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
| reply to funchords
Re: New business model starting up.
said by funchords :said by battleop :It won't be long for companies that pop up and offer remote monitoring via SNMP. Then you can match their counters and the telco's counters and see who is correct. In a world where the ISPs use the TOS declare themselves the sole arbiter of what is fair, reasonable, or within policy, it doesn't matter what some 3rd-party meter says. Wasn't it Comcast saying for users to use a third party meter to measure their bandwidth? |
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kxrm
join:2002-07-18
Fort Worth, TX
| Think Dedicated or Colo Connection
They have been metering for years. All the problems their customers face, the TWC's customers will face. Including being targeted for DDoS just to hurt them financially. It's funny I have a dedicated service provider who is lifting metered billing on some levels. Could we be entering a shift? |
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sousademiami
join:2003-02-04
Hialeah, FL | Speaking of...
Where is that Comcast meter we were supposed to see in January?
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OASAASLLS |
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lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
| If they do this, here is what I'll do.
First, change providers.
Second, prepare to pay final bill by writing separate checks, in the amount of one penny, for each penny billed. My normal bill is $89.95 so that would be 8995 checks for .01 (each). In the comment space write the account number above the line and "1 of 8995 for the greedy bastards" and so on. Record a video of the checks being placed and sealed in a honking huge envelope.
Third, actually pay the final bill by mailing the checks as registered with return receipt requested.
Forth, don't look back and enjoy life! |
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Skype
| reply to PapaMidnight
Re: New business model starting up.
said by PapaMidnight :Wasn't it Comcast saying for users to use a third party meter to measure their bandwidth? Yes, it recommended that. Of course, Comcast doesn't care what that meter says.
(With Comcast, though, a user has to exceed 250 GB -and- be one of the top 1,000 users in that month to get cut off -- so any meter is only useful to a point. My concerns concerns are with broadband operators who are using metering as a way to jack up rates. That's not Comcast, I'm happy to say.)
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Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- District of Columbia -- KJ7RL |
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dcurrey
Premium
join:2004-06-29
·ViaTalk
| How do they know
How do they know what you asked for and what is garbage being sent to you. Hack attempts ddos attacks ect. If I am paying for it it better be something that I requested.
Even with everything unplugged except router my data light on the cable modem lights up like a Christmas tree. Could be running a torrent flashes just the same. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | UDP flood could run up your bill.. you don't need to have a connection open.
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Canada = Hollywood North |
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Larry64
@xerox.com | Monthly statements
I would want a monthly statement documenting where every byte of data was sent to and from so I can verify it just to make it a pain for them. |
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kxrm
join:2002-07-18
Fort Worth, TX | reply to dcurrey
Re: How do they know
Just a guess but I would imagine that they would work on a way to measure usage from the customer side of the modem to avoid unrequested traffic affecting your bill. |
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kxrm
join:2002-07-18
Fort Worth, TX | reply to Larry64
Re: Monthly statements
Have you ever printed an ethereal log? Be ready for paper boxes to come in the mail. |
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