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Comments on news posted 2009-05-08 10:33:53: AT&T's decision to run FTTN instead of FTTH has remained a sticking point, with AT&T's top U-Verse speed (after video) sitting at 18Mbps downstream for customers within range. ..

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pizmo pete

join:2007-10-24
Portland, CT

Why wait for fiber?

The Company paid $6 Billion on the 700 mghz spectrum last year. 700 mghz can go 25 miles between towers,key is, due to it's low freq., it can penetrate concrete walls without interference. Now, add wireless cell repeaters to Vrads and give the customers a new wireless router. At&t's costs of deployment now,solved. No digging in gated communities to cut bridgetap in the buried, No more 6 hr installation nightmares. Condos and apartments now don't need rewiring. Why waste money on pair anything, or even fiber, when they plan to get it to you over the AIR. They cannot afford to wait and play later game, because it will be too late then.

moddestmike

join:2009-01-26
Fresno, TX

Re: Why wait for fiber?

said by pizmo pete See Profile :

The Company paid $6 Billion on the 700 mghz spectrum last year. 700 mghz can go 25 miles between towers,key is, due to it's low freq., it can penetrate concrete walls without interference. Now, add wireless cell repeaters to Vrads and give the customers a new wireless router. At&t's costs of deployment now,solved. No digging in gated communities to cut bridgetap in the buried, No more 6 hr installation nightmares. Condos and apartments now don't need rewiring. Why waste money on pair anything, or even fiber, when they plan to get it to you over the AIR. They cannot afford to wait and play later game, because it will be too late then.
You are correct but I see this being a future alternative, maybe after deploying LTE, they still have not even began to maximize the capabilities of HSPA/+. Although I must say their 3G service is spotty at best, while coverage appears to be good I get frequent drops/timeouts even when standing still. Not to mention speeds are not even within 50% of expected from 3G radio enabled devices.

HKM

join:2008-12-31
Fort Lauderdale, FL
·AT&T Southeast

U-Verse (VDSL) is obsolete.

As I have been saying for sometime now what others have been saying except for few clueless fanboy's what AT&T's U-Verse (VDSL) is already obsolete before/short after its launch.

First of all you have to take in consideration that your network will even be picked by consumers who already have access to higher tiers from cable ISP even where DOCSIS 3 or FiOS is not available and best AT&T offers in the same area is below 3mbps. The second thing depends on value which will always be competitive if there is another HSI vendor; more buck for your money.

Verizon choose to deploy FTTH and invest in the future which is very bold move as positive result has been successfully seen in other countries with fiber based transit. Even when Comcast's is deploying DOCSIS 3 and other cable companies moving in its footsteps it is still behind true compression to FiOS as their network is limited due to its design.

The key argument here is that AT&T choose to ignore hard data and take in less competitive unproven technology which will be deployed to mass. What they failed to understand is that in the end its the consumers decision. If U-Verse tier is available in the same area along with Verizon's FiOS or Comcast's DOCSIS 3.0 most likely people won't go with U-Verse.

PS: Fiber is the future, copper is the past. I hope Verizon and Comcast rip AT&T open in HSI by end of this year. Remember what happened to AOL? They failed to adapt and look where they are now? LOL
cwh

join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX

Re: U-Verse (VDSL) is obsolete.

The hard data says that ATT is collecting customers at the same rate as fios with 1/3 to 1/2 of the investment.

HKM

join:2008-12-31
Fort Lauderdale, FL
·AT&T Southeast

Re: U-Verse (VDSL) is obsolete.

Data also says most area served by AT&T's U-Verse tier is not fully competitive as its not in same market competing with DOCSIS 3.0/FiOS. The data also says that majority of the users were ADSL users who switched to U-Verse for bundling voice, tv, internet.

I would love to see AT&T deploy in a area that is already being served by Comcast's DOCSIS and FiOS and not in random cherry picking small town and see the result as I am sure other than AT&T's fanboy's granny less than 5gb/month usage for email, surfing most likely alot of folks will pick anything other than obselete U-Verse.

Where is AT&T again? maybe by 2012 they will deploy U-Verse to 30% of their users by then FiOS and DOCSIS will rip open sad attempt at broadband provider aka AT&T.

said by Eric Bangeman (May 10, 2007) | Verizon, Comcast pump up the bandwidth. Where's AT&T? :

AT&T's strategy does resonate with price-conscious consumers. Many broadband subscribers are very happy to have 768Kbps down for $14.95 per month, or 1.5Mbps for a few bucks more. There will always be a large segment of the population that will be content with lower speeds and lower prices. But is that the market niche AT&T wants to find itself in, the deep-discount DSL provider?

Longer-term, AT&T's strategy appears to be more iffy, as applications that yearn for truly phat pipes continue to emerge. AT&T may be able to pump faster speeds over the twisted-pair wire between the node and the home in the years ahead, but not approaching the speeds that the competition can offer. Verizon and the cable companies look to be well-positioned for a bandwidth-intensive future. AT&T? Well, it can be the leader when it comes to low prices. Bandwidth is another story.
cwh

join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX

Re: U-Verse (VDSL) is obsolete.

said by HKM See Profile :

Data also says most area served by AT&T's U-Verse tier is not fully competitive as its not in same market competing with DOCSIS 3.0/FiOS. The data also says that majority of the users were ADSL users who switched to U-Verse for bundling voice, tv, internet.
But it is competitive enough for them to have little problem attracting customers. And according to their quarterly reports most of the uverse customers are coming from cable.

I would love to see AT&T deploy in a area that is already being served by Comcast's DOCSIS and FiOS and not in random cherry picking small town and see the result as I am sure other than AT&T's fanboy's granny less than 5gb/month usage for email, surfing most likely alot of folks will pick anything other than obselete U-Verse.

Where is AT&T again? maybe by 2012 they will deploy U-Verse to 30% of their users by then FiOS and DOCSIS will rip open sad attempt at broadband provider aka AT&T.

ATT hit major markets first and is only now starting to small towns. Smallest i have seen so far is pop 100k. Uverse currently has more coverage than fios with their initial deployment covering 50% of sbc(18million residences) and still expanding in bell south area. And this is now, not 2012. Uverse is not same product it was 3 years ago when it rolled out, and I doubt it will be the same product in 2012 either.
vinnie97

join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX

Re: U-Verse (VDSL) is obsolete.

Oh, you mean the U-Verse box doesn't crash as frequently as it did 3 years ago?
cwh

join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX

Re: U-Verse (VDSL) is obsolete.

said by vinnie97 See Profile :

Oh, you mean the U-Verse box doesn't crash as frequently as it did 3 years ago?
3 years ago the dvr woulc reboot maybe once every couple of months. No it reboots not at all. I cant remember the last time that happened.

fatmanskinny
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join:2004-01-04
Wandering
·Comcast Digital Vo..
·Comcast

said by HKM See Profile :

PS: Fiber is the future, copper is the past. I hope Verizon and Comcast rip AT&T open in HSI by end of this year. Remember what happened to AOL? They failed to adapt and look where they are now? LOL
I could not have said it better. AT&T is behind the times, IMHO. They consistently send me "come back to us" letters and one day, I am going to write them and tell them why I am not coming back and sticking with Comcast.

Their DSL service cannot go above 6MB down / 512K up. Their local and long distance phone service is expensive ($72 for AT&T versus $40 for Comcast and it has more features).

Like you said, AT&T will eventually go the way of AOL if they do not adapt. With the mass exodus of landline users from telcos to cable phone providers, you would think they would take it as a clue. Nope! AT&T has "head in the sand" thinking.

I hope Verizon buys AT&T when they finally hit the bottom (or near it) and bring FIOS to those previously served by AT&T.
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join:2000-03-29
Beverly Hills, CA
·AT&T Yahoo
·Packet8
·magicjack.com

Re: U-Verse (VDSL) is obsolete.

said by fatmanskinny See Profile :

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Their DSL service cannot go above 6MB down / 512K up.
My AT&T DSL is 6/768. What else are you wrong about?

fatmanskinny
Premium
join:2004-01-04
Wandering
·Comcast Digital Vo..
·Comcast

Re: U-Verse (VDSL) is obsolete.

said by Authority See Profile :

said by fatmanskinny See Profile :

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Their DSL service cannot go above 6MB down / 512K up.
My AT&T DSL is 6/768. What else are you wrong about?
Hey guy. The info I stated may be incorrect for your area but not where I am.... all we get is 512k up. Have a nice day.
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Re: U-Verse (VDSL) is obsolete.

said by fatmanskinny See ProfileHey guy. The info I stated may be incorrect for your area but not where I am.... all we get is 512k up. Have a nice day.
I understand that's what you meant, but it's not what you said. If you're going to bash a company, at least be accurate.

You have a good day too.

fatmanskinny
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Wandering
·Comcast Digital Vo..
·Comcast


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Re: U-Verse (VDSL) is obsolete.

said by Authority See Profile :

said by fatmanskinny See ProfileHey guy. The info I stated may be incorrect for your area but not where I am.... all we get is 512k up. Have a nice day.
I understand that's what you meant, but it's not what you said. If you're going to bash a company, at least be accurate.

You have a good day too.
So you correctly understood what I meant yet posted "what else are you wrong about?" because of the words typed and not the meaning????

BTW, I am accurate for my experience with AT&T for my area. I cannot speak for people in other AT&T regions. That should have been obvious.

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join:2000-03-29
Beverly Hills, CA
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Re: U-Verse (VDSL) is obsolete.

said by fatmanskinny See Profile :

So you correctly understood what I meant yet posted "what else are you wrong about?" because of the words typed and not the meaning????
No, I mean understand you now, before I thought you were just someone with bad information.

HKM

join:2008-12-31
Fort Lauderdale, FL
·AT&T Southeast

Oh look another AT&T fanboy on SBC's transit or last mile. Good for you that you get 768kbps upstream. So how much are you paying for your 6mbps/768kbps ADSL tier? I know I am paying $22/month for 6mbps/512kbps. Are you that stupid that you trying to defend AT&T's for not even having 1mbps upload? When most cable HSI is offering 2-3mbps+ upstream on just below 20mbps downstream tiers? Now I am not saying everyone should get max tier available by the ISP. What I am saying is at least they should OFFER it then as a consumer people have a choice which to get. I mean how many years did BellSouth/AT&T upgrade their ADSL tier? They shouldn't as its useless and they should upgrade to fiber. I know as a BellSouth customer it has been almost 5 years and since then I haven't seen any upgrade, have you?

jsz0

join:2008-01-23
Jewett City, CT
·Comcast

Architecture doesn't really matter

AT&T may have not gone for the best architecture but they had to get their services to market quickly and it made more sense to leverage what they already had. Same thing with DOCSIS 3 on the cable side. It gets the job done. Consumers don't care how it works.
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

does speed matter enough?

the question becomes, does speed matter when the closest overlapping footprint, comcast applies 250gb limits on most of their tiers?

you can look at this two ways.. they either have breathing room to build the network out, or rope to hang themselves with.. depending upon your perspective on how market share will churn from one duopoly provider to another.

IMO, they are both evil and want to provide the customer the least amount of service at the highest possible profit.

Don't bother with your comparisons to Qwest or Verizon. We're talking about the footprint of AT&T and COMCAST!
vinnie97

join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX

Re: does speed matter enough?

You think the footprint of AT&T or Comcast is bad? Try AT&T & TWC!

fiber_man
Things Happen For A Reason
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join:2001-01-27
Port Saint Lucie, FL
·AT&T U-Verse

Passive Optical Networks

The Vrads are the first leg of this architecture. AT&T is getting the fiber to within a mile of most homes first and then they can use that same fiber to distribute out the last mile to the homes. In the mean time they are using the Uverse to provide capital for the last mile deployment.
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Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA

Re: Passive Optical Networks

said by fiber_man See Profile :

AT&T is getting the fiber to within a mile of most homes first and then they can use that same fiber to distribute out the last mile to the homes.
Putting VRADs within a mile of most homes doesn't make sense if the ultimate goal is passive FTTH because PONs can easily handle six miles line distance.

semicolin

@sbcglobal.net

ATT will be fine

I live in Atlanta and all i have to say is that as of right now i get around 50Mb/s at least as of right now to my house. That means that i could have a 25Mb/s downloads. Now with pair bonding and vdsl2, att could easily get a lot of people using uverse download speeds of around 30Mb/s (that is including overhead). Now att could then price this at a more competitive price than at which comcast could offer there 30Mb/s speed. Most people will settle for 2nd best if they save a significant amount of money. Its like buying a processor you could buy the latest and greatest or you could save 200 dollars and take the 3% performance hit. ATT could then start laying FTTH over the next 3-5 years and remain competitive. Or for all we know by then the wireless internet from the 700Mhz spectrum could be faster, who knows.

linicx
Caveat Emptor
Premium
join:2002-12-03
United State
·CenturyLink

Don't believe it.

In a rural area SBC had the best Internet service available anywhere, It was down for 30 minutes once in four years. I have a friend who lives 8 miles from Dallas and loves UVerse.

Century Telephone lives on another planet.. I had miserable service for over a year even though I was less than one mile from the CO. It was months before they decided to install new copper to the house. Even then the high speed DSL was rarely faster than dialup. They never got it. They thought they were doing me a favor by bundling a phone and 512k down for $100 when I got the same thing from SBC for $40; I got 3M down. Every time nothing worked it was the same old tired spiel. There service was perfect, it was my computer. I heard that in 1992.

Now I have cable, VoIP and 5M down for $90 from a competing home owned telco and Iove it.

I've been in rural areas on small home spun ISPS for 17 years. I've seen all the tricks and I've heard all the lies. AT&T does not allow competition in rural areas.

Cox had miserable service and poor programing in rural areas. Their cable was populated with more free religious and free home shopping channels and piggybacked channels than any cable service I ever had at anytime in any part of the US. My kid in California also had Cox. I could not believe I was watching programming from Cox. It was that much better.

Then came the outfit from New Jersey that bought all of Cox middle markets that they had already milked dry. I could not believe that Sudden Link could be worse, but I was wrong. I kept basic cable for the Internet which was better than Cox but not nearly as good as AT&T and got Direct-TV.

The moral of the story is this. Big telco and cable companies milk rural areas and then sell off to the highest bidder. The last grab by Century Telephone netted them the rank of the 4th largest telco in America. People who live in rural areas should not have any expectation of FIOS or FTTH or any other type of high speed Internet or even good tech service unless they get really lucky.

It's going to be interesting to see who does what and where and how fast. You can bet it will be anywhere except rural America.
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jandar

join:2006-01-16
Middleburg, FL

Re: Don't believe it.

I pay for my mother's dialup internet. She lives inside the city limits of Jacksonville, FL, yet has no DSL, Cable, or even a decent 3g signal.

If they cannot get city limit customers high speed, rural are truly screwed.

Duramax08
Oh rly?

join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX

so how far..

can this technology go? (miles)
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