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Comments on news posted 2009-05-12 15:59:07: In a vote of 296 to 233, the French National Assembly on Tuesday approved a plan by President Nicolas Sarkozy to boot repeat copyright infringers from broadband networks, with full passage in the French upper house expected tomorrow. ..

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pnh102
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Worthless

I guess there's no real crime in France?
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miscDude

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hmmm

So how long until France surrenders to the pirates?


fifty nine

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Re: Worthless

said by pnh102:

I guess there's no real crime in France?
That's because modern France is a police state.

Mr Matt

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Sarkozy should remember the French Revolution!

Unless the law includes checks and balances to protect the innocent this measure reeks of a police state. Sarkozy should remember the old saying, shave it clean with guillotine.


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Re: Worthless

said by pnh102:

I guess there's no real crime in France?
Nope, they just sit around eating/drinking and sleeping.


POB
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I Don't Get It

How does a country with a government that is afraid of the populace ever get to the point where such a draconian law can even be considered, nevermind voted upon? WTF. Where are the protesters?

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...

The Culture Ministry hailed the outcome Tuesday as an important step toward “preserving cultural diversity and the industries threatened by piracy.”

Anyone have any idea how movie/music piracy affects cultural diversity? I guess the C.M. wants to suppress and control the distribution of all forms of media to preserve the diversity (ignorance)

But anyway, I think the major trouble here is the blurry line between "real" piracy and what many individuals do--

I would define "real" piracy as when illegal copies are produced and sold for money--either sold online, sold as bootlegs, sold as counterfeits, etc..

What many individuals do is copy music and movies that they might like. Granted, the rampant days of Napster in the late 90s and early 00s had to go, that would have surely spelled an end to the music and video sales/rental industries if allowed to continue unfettered.

I did not RTFA completely, but hopefully the "strikes" refer to convictions at court appearance and not to individual counts--i.e. if I download 6 songs some night, and the RIAA can prove it, does that count as 6 strikes, or 1 strike? If its the former then you might as well make this a "1 strike" law.


maartena
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All this means is....

...that after 1 strike, they start hiding better. And before you know it, everyone is using encrypted forms of P2P.
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maartena
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Re: I Don't Get It

said by POB:

How does a country with a government that is afraid of the populace ever get to the point where such a draconian law can even be considered, nevermind voted upon? WTF. Where are the protesters?
Two words. "Patriot Act". We all fell for it, we all let them get away with it, and as a result ISP's are now required to log all activity, and give the NSA access whenever they want to, all in the name of "protecting freedom", while the real terrorists have been using heavy encryption for years.

Don't accuse the French of being blind, while we (both Congress and People) were as blind as a bat when the Patriot Act came to pass.

Not once, but TWICE when it needed to be renewed.

Gerryw

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France is known for crazy laws

Bunch of nutters...


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hello

Hello!

You have been kicked off the Internet!

Thank You.
France


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Re: I Don't Get It

said by maartena:

said by POB:

How does a country with a government that is afraid of the populace ever get to the point where such a draconian law can even be considered, nevermind voted upon? WTF. Where are the protesters?
Two words. "Patriot Act". We all fell for it, we all let them get away with it, and as a result ISP's are now required to log all activity, and give the NSA access whenever they want to, all in the name of "protecting freedom", while the real terrorists have been using heavy encryption for years.

Don't accuse the French of being blind, while we (both Congress and People) were as blind as a bat when the Patriot Act came to pass.

Not once, but TWICE when it needed to be renewed.
We did not all fall for it.


maartena
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Re: France is known for crazy laws

»www.dumblaws.com

"In Blythe, CA you are not allowed to wear cowboy boots unless you own at least 2 cows".

If there is any nation in the world, that is the KING of dumb laws.... it is our good ol' USA.


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Re: Worthless

Yeah, no crime in France....


POB
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Re: I Don't Get It

said by maartena:

Two words. "Patriot Act". We all fell for it, we all let them get away with it, and as a result ISP's are now required to log all activity, and give the NSA access whenever they want to, all in the name of "protecting freedom", while the real terrorists have been using heavy encryption for years.
Since when does the Patriot Act apply to France. I suppose they must have passed their own version, eh.
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Re: hello

Shouldn't that be in français?

Pv8man

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Reuters article....

In the article published by Reuters

»uk.reuters.com/article/internetN···hannel=0

They say the following

"Under the terms of the bill, Internet pirates will receive two warnings before having their connection cut after a third offence for a period of up to one year. During that time they will have to continue paying their Internet provider."

So they have to continue to PAY their "provider" even though you can't use the service???

What kind of bull crap is that???

Why/How do they expect to get the payments from someone who was suspended???

Thoughts anyone?


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History lesson needs to be repeated in france.

I guess politicians need a review of their history concerning draconian laws. When around 100k worth of people get kicked off the net it will lead to riots just like in their past.

Apparently governments are dumb, does not matter the size of ones military or police. You ask one to shoot a family member or friend the police/military falls apart as well.

Governments are there to protect their people not other interests period!

All around the world the majority are being controlled by the few causing huge unrest. They wanna keep pushing, it will break soon just look at history.


DaveDude
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Thats socialism

Was there any vote on this ? How were the people represented ? was a free market solution discussed ? Of course not.


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Re: hello

said by BabyBear:

Shouldn't that be in français?
Its run by the government, there are working on the french version.

denden2002

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Re: I Don't Get It

ditto! I saw it coming from accross the northern border.


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Re: hmmm

said by miscDude:

So how long until France surrenders to the pirates?
They had a lightsaber.


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Re: I Don't Get It

said by POB:

said by maartena:

Two words. "Patriot Act". We all fell for it, we all let them get away with it, and as a result ISP's are now required to log all activity, and give the NSA access whenever they want to, all in the name of "protecting freedom", while the real terrorists have been using heavy encryption for years.
Since when does the Patriot Act apply to France. I suppose they must have passed their own version, eh.
before you know it every thing will be encrypted


pnh102
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Re: Worthless

I wonder how many cars you can set on fire there before you're banned for life?
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Re: Thats socialism

said by DaveDude:

Was there any vote on this ? How were the people represented ? was a free market solution discussed ? Of course not.
You really didn't even read the article, did you? The French are represented the same way we are, elected officials, and the article was pretty clear from the beginning there was a vote. Who are you kidding, this is the free market solution. That was a really weak comment to tie the vote to socialism. Which country do you think has the biggest entertainment companies in the world?

Biggest Music Labels:
*Warner Music Group(USA)
*Sony Music Entertainment(USA/Japan, headquarters in NYC)
*EMI(UK)
*Universal Music Group(USA)

Biggest Movie Studios:
*Warner Bros.(USA)
*Paramount(USA)
*Sony/Columbia(USA/Japan, headquarters in Culver City, CA)
*20th Century Fox (USA)
*Universal(USA)
*Disney(USA)


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Re: History lesson needs to be repeated in france.

Sooner or later, the French are going to stop surrendering and get fed up with Sarkozy. If this happened in revolutionary times, he'd lose his head to the guillotine.

And as far as those being disconnected being required to pay, many will refuse to do so. What are they then going to do, arrest them or something? I mean, the ISPs that do this can't just cut off service since they've already done that.
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Voyager2K2

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France

Bah-ha-ha-ha-ha.
Idiots.
How many French grannies are going to get kicked off line?


Maxxxt
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Whos in charge of monitoring?

OK..did the French even think of WHO's going to monitor all the internet connections for piracy? Are they just going to believe the record company's again? Are they going to deep packet inspect everyone's traffic? Are they going to give entertainment company's Police type authority to confiscate computers? How is someone to fight an accusation?

Just questions is all I have.

..glad the French are going ahead and proving for us that its a stupid idea.


Vumes

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Piracy...

And what about when you view a video that you got from a website like say youtube...? What then, if its under copyright and someone uploaded it anyway... Is the French government going to give you a strike for that. What about a copyrighted picture that say someone used on a website, then someone else took it and put it on theirs. Strike 2 because you saw it. And then you go back to youtube lets say, and you click on something, oh and it happens to be a leaked song. Oh no, that's strike 3!! No Internet for you!!!


KrK
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So all that overhead and red tape and bureaucracy....

Will be paid for how?

OH I know. By raising taxes on the people that will "benefit" from the enforcement! IE you'll be prosecuted and know your own money was used to do so.

This is the merging of Government Authority with Corporate Greed--- a match made in hell if ever there was one.

Imagine a mandate a company has, with the goal of making and increasing profits, but wielding the power of "law enforcement" to make sure it happens. If that's not a recipe for abuse, I don't know what is.
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