Bit
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1 edit | Let them bet their jobs on it
These pseudo-journalists and industry backed think tanks should quit the business when they're wrong. Let them bet their jobs on their unfounded prognostications.
Even Al Gore is smart enough to put the doomsday date far out enough that he can retire on all the speaking money. |
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dadkins
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| Again?
Wasn't the internet supposed to collaps in 1Q 2009? Uhm, yeah.
So, as we blaze into 2Q... things look like they are plugging along well.
YAWN! 
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Smith6612
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Re: Let them bet their jobs on it
Well, take it like this. The internet itself is fine. No where near close to being overloaded (proven by the Obama Inauguration day when internet usage peaked). The last mile, sure I can see why they're saying this when it comes down to that (looking at non-DOCSIS 3.0 networks). But the way they're making it sound is quite iffy. If the internet was having brownouts, I would have noticed something up with both of my connections by now.
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phills_suck
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Burlington, NJ | reply to dadkins
Re: Again?
I thought it was supposed to be y2k
lol. |
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WiFiguru
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Lodi, CA | Hahahaha
The internet will only be as big as we make it.
Hell, fiber carriers haven't even started to compress packets yet. |
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S_engineer
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Re: Let them bet their jobs on it
said by Bit  : Let them bet their jobs on their unfounded prognostications. could you imagine if weathermen did that...we'd have a different person everyday of the week!
Seriously though, these clowns @ Nemertes are just taking a page from the current theme of municiple, county, state and federal governance;that there needs to be a crisis in order to implement solutions that wouldn't normally pass through any form of legislature.
It's really f***ing sad its come to this point! |
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Bit
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1 edit | But this is far worse than weather. It would be like the local weather guy in Oregon claiming that a Hurricane is coming next month and saying it once or twice a year while his cousin is in the storm shutter business. |
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neowulf
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Re: Again?
Heck they been saying it since metered hourly billing with dial-up. For some reason I always think of too these same people saying such off the wall remarks as "If too many people have unlimited access to the internet eventually all the telephone wires will melt."
Or as per Rupert Murdoch: »www.infowars.com/rupert-murdoch-···-be-over |
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BetaTron
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Brooklyn, NY | reply to dadkins
The netpocalypse is coming... better stop downloading all that bootleg music or the ISPs won't let you into their realms...
These business folks crack me up. |
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SLD
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join:2002-04-17 | The exaflood...
The exaflood is only as good as it sounds... |
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SLD
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join:2002-04-17 | I can see it now
Warner Bros presents: Exaflood
Coming to theatres, 2009. |
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neufuse
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Indiana, PA | who comes up with this......
who comes up with this BS? Computer "freezing" for minutes? comon... lack of bandwidth will NOT freeze your computer... who makes this stuff up? its like sensationalism gone crazy for PC's to scare people into higher prices |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by neufuse :who comes up with this BS? Computer "freezing" for minutes? comon... lack of bandwidth will NOT freeze your computer... who makes this stuff up? its like sensationalism gone crazy for PC's to scare people into higher prices How about Google? They added a "flaky connection" mode to their Gmail service. Do they see something coming that others don't?
»groups.google.com/group/gmail-la···de?pli=1 |
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fgoldstein
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| Two problems, don't conflate them
The Network World article is excellent; Johna (who is the head of Nemertes) is one of the smartest people writing in the trade press. But the press articles attacking her don't recognize two separate points being made.
One is total traffic volume. Not that it can't be provided, but it can't be provided at the price you guys want. The current growth rate of average usage isn't 100%/year, but full-rate (not Flash) video uses orders of magnitude more than web and similar classic applications. So it could become a problem easily.
The Internet is not one network -- that's why it's called Internet, a network of networks. So it does not go all crappy at once. Capacity is cheap in Manhattan, NY, not so cheap in Manhattan, IL, and even costlier in Manhattan, NV. That middle mile is a killer. I was talking today to a client whose WISP is the only near-broadband service in a town of 1000 people whose nearest town of over 50k is over 100 miles away, in Idaho someplace. We're looking at pulling FTTH. But middle mile capacity is incredibly expensive and limited. These are microwave routes to the nearest fiber. Backbone capacity in such places can't be treated as a zero-cost commodity.
Johnson's article also referred to a totally unrelated problem, IP backbone route proliferation in BGP. This is a scaling problem in IP itself which is leading to real "sky is falling" effects as the routing update mechanism will not be able to keep up. It makes being on the backbone costlier, too, regardless of how much or how little traffic you have.
IPv6 makes it worse, not better; it's no solution to anything meaningful. That's why some of us (who have formed the Pouzin Society, named after Louis Pouzin, as close as you can get to a real inventor of the Internet) are advocating the development of PNA as a new protocol stack. It is totally different, but still interworks with IPv4 (for transition) better than IPv6. Read up about it at »www.pouzinsociety.org/ . PNA decentralizes the model better than IP. It fixes routing-related issues like multihoming and mobility. It fixes the address issue too -- that turns out to be a red herring after all. It uses only names, not addresses, external to each (recursive) layer, so the address at any layer is local to a group of cooperating systems. But this is worth a different article, which I'll leave to the webmaster's discretion. |
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KrK
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Re: who comes up with this......
said by TKJunkMail :How about Google? They added a "flaky connection" mode to their Gmail service. Do they see something coming that others don't? My understanding that feature is for users on Wireless devices where the network is flaking on them. (Connection issues/dropouts) (Like AT&T's 3G for example  )
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Re: Two problems, don't conflate them
The thing is, middle mile prices are falling. A year and a half ago Qwest came to my current WiSP and said "we can beat your current AT&T DS3 quote". They did, by $1000...so now my ISP is paying $9000 a month for a T3 with less IP space than AT&T gave them.
Now, I'm getting T3 quotes of around $4500. Still frightfully expensive since I'm out in the sticks (a T1 is $600 here if you ask in the right places, $1200 if you ask in the wrong ones). However things are looking up for rural places bandwidth wise.
The only people loud enough to cry about the bandwidth apocalypse are those who don't want to upgrade their (large) DOCSIS-based networks as far as I can tell. Oh, and wireless networks. And maybe VDSL networks (AT&T). Fiber optic providers aren't complaining, and DOCSIS 3 providers aren't either to any huge extent. Hmm... |
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DrModem
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Re: I can see it now
said by SLD :Warner Bros presents: Exaflood Coming to theatres, 2009. Now on The Pirate Bay. |
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Sparrow
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| I think we could all use a few brownouts (or even blackouts) and get back to doing things the old-fashioned way!
The only thing I would really miss is BBR. 
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Skippy25
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Re: Two problems, don't conflate them
In addition the biggest problem is that the middle mile is still mainly controlled by the same incumbents that control the last mile.
The incumbents are the problem at every part of the network because they are trying to maximize short term profits and will sacrifice anything to do it. |
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59126125
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OK, I tried to to keep up, but you lost me there.
Sooo... middle mile links are expensive in remote areas of Idaho = meltdown of the internet?
As far as internet backbone capacity goes, there are solutions to deliver speeds at the prices consumers want. But innovation like this will go on the back burner if billing by the byte is adopted.
32 Terabits per second on a single fiber
»www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4···id=26805
Cisco router released last year. Just imagine what they are working on now.
»newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2008/ts_030408.html |
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