jchambers28
join:2007-05-12
Alma, AR
1 edit | wireless networking
that's some crazy shit I am doing that here and it don't work that great. there goes your 1080i |
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gigahurtz
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join:2001-10-20
Palm Coast, FL
clubs: | This would be interesting..
I like that AT&T is exploring different options. It's unusual that a company like AT&T would move away from "traditional means". When times are tough, even the giants move away from their normal ways. I am interested to see how this turns out. |
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NOCMan
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| It will not work once density increases in a neighborhood
Eventually there will be oversaturation of the wifi channels and everyone's speeds will go in the crapper. Here the b/g channels are like a jungle now and speeds suck. 2-3 years ago used to be 3 AP's in my area, now there are over 30 showing up.
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL |  How about some new frequency assignments for data!
 It is time for new frequency assignments for home networking. Why not some 700MHz, some 1.9GHz or some white space frequencies assigned for home networking! |
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anonym
@rochester.edu
| HomePNA
I've found wireless to be VERY unreliable in terms of bridging points around the house. The average throughput was adequate, but the instantaneous transfer was highly variable. Neighbor turns on a microwave, switches on their baby monitor, or picks up their 2.4GHz cordless phone, and your movie is done! Even with a fair amount of buffering (which takes time while seeking), you would always have a few hiccups. Furthermore, even 802.11n does not have the bandwidth to stream more than 1-2 HD streams over more than a few ft. From my experience, I seriously doubt this will be a viable solution for most people, especially those in urban areas.
I've never used homepna equipment, but the coax moca bridges I have (nim-100's) are bulletproof. They run internally at 254mbits even over half a dozen splitters and REALLY crappy coax in my house. They introduce only about 5 ms of latency, and I can pull the full 100Mbits out of the ethernet port. |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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|  Ruckus 802.11n connectivity diagram
Info on the Ruckus system:
»www.ruckuswireless.com/products/···0-series
This is what the connectivity diagram looks like:
»www.ruckuswireless.com/images/fe···vity.png |
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funchords
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| I hope they're using 5.8 GHz...
The best parts of 802.11n simply won't work on 2.4 GHz networks along side other 802.11b/g networks, cordless phones, baby monitors, security systems, AV setups, and etcetera. That gloriously generalized statement happens to be true for over 95% of the population. Sure, they can set their APs to ignore interference and force bonding and phasing, but when they do that, then they're the cause of interference.
I hope they're planning on using 5.8 GHz for this.
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TKJunkMail
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| said by funchords  :I hope they're planning on using 5.8 GHz for this. Their web site says they are using the 5GHz band. |
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Matt
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| reply to jchambers28
Re: wireless networking
said by jchambers28 :that's some crazy shit I am doing that here and it don't work that great. there goes your 1080i I agree. I tried it as well and it was awful. I was only going through one floor and about 15 feet maybe. The issue was the reliability of the connection, not the max throughput that could be achieved. I eventually replaced the bridges with Motorola NIM-100 MoCA bridges and see a solid 100Mbps all day.
I could hit 280Mbps (802.11n Draft 2.0) but every 2-3 minutes the signal would get muddled and the rate would drop, causing a video pause. Actually, when the rate had to change at all, either decrease due to a interference and then when it cleared up and increased the rate again, I'd would experience problems. The 5GHz spectrum would help, so I hope they are deploying it there. |
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Matt
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Re: I hope they're using 5.8 GHz...
said by TKJunkMail :said by funchords :I hope they're planning on using 5.8 GHz for this. Their web site says they are using the 5GHz band. That should eliminate a lot of the issues. I hope they figure out a buffering system that isn't sensitive to the radio changing it's transmission rate too. |
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Hookem99
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join:2007-07-18
Pflugerville, TX | 4-6?
'The MediaFlex 7000 device manual says it can support four to six MPEG-4 HDTV IPTV streams running at 10 Mbit/s each.'
To bad at&t itself only supports 2! |
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cornelius785_nli
@WPI.EDU | uh, what about WATCHING a recorded show? |
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en102
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| reply to Matt
Re: wireless networking
Personally, I'd rather use Ethernet over powerline (Netgear HDX-101 or newer).
I typically have ~100mbps to almost any outlet in my house (100mbps port, so ~70mbps throughput).
The only issue occurs when there's something with a high load (microwave oven, vacuum, hairdryer). |
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funchords
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| reply to Matt
Re: I hope they're using 5.8 GHz...
said by Matt :said by TKJunkMail :said by funchords :I hope they're planning on using 5.8 GHz for this. Their web site says they are using the 5GHz band. That should eliminate a lot of the issues. I hope they figure out a buffering system that isn't sensitive to the radio changing it's transmission rate too. That should happen at two different levels of the stack, although if the radio takes too long, there is nothing the application can actually do about it.
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dslwanter
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| reply to jchambers28
Re: wireless networking
said by jchambers28 :that's some crazy shit I am doing that here and it don't work that great. there goes your 1080i Never 1080i anyway. It's all compressed. But AT&T would do something like this.
AT&T= You're world, our way.
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MyDogHsFleas
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Austin, TX
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| reply to Hookem99
Re: 4-6?
said by Hookem99 :'The MediaFlex 7000 device manual says it can support four to six MPEG-4 HDTV IPTV streams running at 10 Mbit/s each.' To bad at&t itself only supports 2! actually the in-home network has to support more than that. The DVR can record two streams and also be playing back streams to other TV STBs via the Whole Home DVR feature, at the same time. |
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MyDogHsFleas
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join:2007-08-15
Austin, TX
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| HomePNA *or* Ethernet for in-home network
quote:
Karl Bode said: AT&T currently uses HomePNA technology for in-home networking.
This is incorrect. They use either HomePNA or straight Ethernet over Cat5/5e/6, or a mixture of the two. The installers prefer Ethernet if the cabling is available. |
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jchambers28
join:2007-05-12
Alma, AR | reply to en102
Re: wireless networking
720P would be the highest quality achieved nothing more. |
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Matt
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| reply to en102
said by en102 :Personally, I'd rather use Ethernet over powerline (Netgear HDX-101 or newer). I typically have ~100mbps to almost any outlet in my house (100mbps port, so ~70mbps throughput). The only issue occurs when there's something with a high load (microwave oven, vacuum, hairdryer). The MoCA devices are much simpler and offer higher throughput. There is ZERO configuration required, you just plug them in and go. They are also not sensitive to load on the coax. As the other poster said, I see a solid 100Mbps all day long. |
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Matt
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| reply to dslwanter
said by dslwanter :said by jchambers28 :that's some crazy shit I am doing that here and it don't work that great. there goes your 1080i Never 1080i anyway. It's all compressed. But AT&T would do something like this. Resolution has nothing to do with compression. You can have 1080i at 1Mbps if you want to. You won't be able to make out what is in the video, but it's still technically video. |
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