tomkb
Premium
join:2000-11-15
Avon, OH
clubs: | Anyone know?
Anyone know when the new Verizon Black Berry Niagara will be released? The first rumored release date has come and gone. |
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baineschile
2600
Premium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | The more important question...when will they officially announce the iPhone with verizon? |
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AnonAnon
@bellatlantic.COM | reply to tomkb
Supposedly July 13th |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| doesn't mean anything
Swappable SIMs doesn't mean open devices. Verizon Wirless can block all IMEIs that don't belong to Verizon Wireless LTE phones. "Its illegal to have a non-Verizon Wireless LTE device on VZW LTE network since there is no proof the handset has passed E911 certification (and it has the FBI backdoor to silently read the GPS chip) and is FCC compliant, and no proof the handset is ADA compliant (FCC Rules), or it had a SAR test, or is UL Listed.
All this means is that you can swap VZW branded LTE handsets and transfer your phone book legitimately without paying VZW to do so at a VZW store or with a Get-It-Now app (lets ignore PSTs and BitPim).
Also if VZW doesn't monitor/patrol the IMEIs, people will be putting WAP and PDA data plans on their PCMCIA Aircards. |
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sameshtdd
join:2006-01-04
Teaneck, NJ
| said by patcat88  :Swappable SIMs doesn't mean open devices. Verizon Wirless can block all IMEIs that don't belong to Verizon Wireless LTE phones. "Its illegal to have a non-Verizon Wireless LTE device on VZW LTE network since there is no proof the handset has passed E911 certification (and it has the FBI backdoor to silently read the GPS chip) and is FCC compliant, and no proof the handset is ADA compliant (FCC Rules), or it had a SAR test, or is UL Listed. All this means is that you can swap VZW branded LTE handsets and transfer your phone book legitimately without paying VZW to do so at a VZW store or with a Get-It-Now app (lets ignore PSTs and BitPim). Also if VZW doesn't monitor/patrol the IMEIs, people will be putting WAP and PDA data plans on their PCMCIA Aircards. How is this dissimilar to how GSM phones work in the US? Don't GSM phones that want to use US frequencies have to go through FCC testing? |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by sameshtdd :How is this dissimilar to how GSM phones work in the US? Don't GSM phones that want to use US frequencies have to go through FCC testing? They usually do, just because they are unsellable at retail and Customs might get angry eventually. I remember many years ago before Verizon started ESN/IMEI locking, people importing 5 generations ahead CDMA phone from South Korea that were the kitchen sink into the USA. They had no FCC certification, no E911 (violate the roaming list and search for any technologically compliant network), no AGPS, and couldn't tune to PCS band (the phones did 800 mhz USA/South Korea and South Korea's unique 1700 CDMA band). All cellphone manufacturers and US carriers conspire to keep the best stuff out of the USA, so they can stretch out their ancient R&D even longer, and don't have to develop new patents and new features to stay competitive, kindda like a GM car. I remember a 7MP CDMA camera cellphone from South Korea (saw it in-person at a showroom, it had no service but was on and I played with it, even though its GUI was 90% korean), yet at the time 1MP was the most you could buy from Verizon or Sprint. No excuse other than profit. |
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Nightwchtr
join:2001-09-10
Falls Church, VA | reply to baineschile
Re: Anyone know?
Even if they did say an IPhone was going to Verizon, I still wouldn't take it. There data plans and cell plans are the highest in the industry. I don't need it that badly, or I will wait till a CDMA IPhone comes out (Hopefully, lol). |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Highest in the industry?
My Treo's data plan is $30/month, 5GB cap. That's on par with AT&T, may be a bit less? |
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azjerry
join:2002-12-04
Phoenix, AZ | They still want to charge me $45/month for "Unlimited Data Usage" for my Treo. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
 ·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
1 edit | reply to patcat88
Re: doesn't mean anything
We have this problem here because the cell phone companies like VZ don't want to give options. That's why they still have CDMA networks instead of GSM. If we all had GSM nothing would be a problem and they'd have to compete on price, and services offered the same as they do in the UK. You can go buy any phone and get a free SIM and away you go. If you don't like the company for what ever reason you already own an the phone you just gotta go to the next company and sign up.
ATT and TM are the only ones that know any better as far as using any phone as long as its unlocked.
But as far as LTE still being planned for launch here, one country has the network build and preparing to turn it on. »www.huawei.com/ |
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Techie09
@vzbi.com
| Not true
Many people have a deep misunderstanding of CDMA compared to the GSM based TDMA technology which is more widely used today than its much discussed W-CDMA 3G replacement. When U.S. carriers adopted CDMA IS-95 and later CDMA2000, it was because it was spectrally far superior to TDMA based GSM variants of the early 90s. Not many years later, ITU-T adopted W-CDMA (IMT-2000) to ultimately replace their aging TDMA 2G solutions, but not before CDMA had already gained a foothold in the U.S.
Bottomline, in the 90s the technology decision for CDMA and many years later, EV-DO, was far superior to GSM and EDGE\GPRS technologies being built. That changed in the late 90s with IMT-2000 (W-CDMA), but by this point many U.S. carriers were down the road to building out CDMA networks and was beyond the point of no return to change strategy.
Obviously in the 21st century, technology has improved beyond the older CDMA and W-CDMA technologies of the past. This is why we are moving to OFDM based technology which further builds upon the efficencies found in CDMA and W-CDMA solutions. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to azjerry
Re: Anyone know?
Dang that's steep.
I'm currently paying $43/month for voice on 2 lines (corp discount  ).
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Canada = Hollywood North |
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
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Re: doesn't mean anything
Let's not misinform just for the sake of bashing Verizon. The UK is a small country, as are many others utilizing all GSM technology, and GSM buildout benefits from smaller coverage areas. In the early days where voice ruled, CDMA had the advantage over GSM of being able to handle many more devices with fewer cell sites, and fewer cell sites cost the company less to buildout better coverage. And you wonder why Verizon is the better network on average right now? These things can't be changed overnight, but I'm glad to see that the companies are eventually merging back to one technology in LTE. Choice is coming, but much like with everything else, the wait is always painful. |
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glinc
join:2009-04-07
New York, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Nightwchtr
Re: Anyone know?
said by Nightwchtr :Even if they did say an IPhone was going to Verizon, I still wouldn't take it. There data plans and cell plans are the highest in the industry. I don't need it that badly, or I will wait till a CDMA IPhone comes out (Hopefully, lol). they're not the highest in the country. Go look at AT&T plans and are exactly the same as verizon, its just AT&T has rollover |
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glinc
join:2009-04-07
New York, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| meh
If people think that they will be able to use any unlocked device then will be totally wrong.
VZW LTE network will be for Data only and obviously their phones have LTE/CDMA chip inside. Their phones will still run 1X for voice and LTE for Data, the EVDO will be a back-up in areas where there is no LTE Coverage.
Maybe in the future when VoIP and Data is added to LTE, then u can think of using any unlocked device. |
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iLive4Apple
Hybrid power
Premium
join:2006-07-13
Helena, AL | reply to tomkb
Re: Anyone know?
Sprint is supposed to get it end of Q3 this year so it should be right around or before that time. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to kyler13
Re: doesn't mean anything
VZW having the better network on average?!?! According to WHO? JD Power? Okay well if you think that about the UK then why are the cell companies in Canada then GSM? Every other country for the most part is GSM except the USA where we still use CDMA technology for everyone except 2 providers.
CDMA is an expensive technology and has outlived its lifetime. Instead of VZW and Sprint and Alltel banking their money on that and now waiting to build out they should have transferred everything to GSM.
ATT is the largest provider in the USA to be GSM and it works for them. It also works for T-Mobile. GSM also has better quality as far as calls.
We can also note that the US providers are also behind again. As to even TEST their LTE while Sprint is busy off building their network with Clearwire and other countries are busy building out their new networks as well. |
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vv1r3d
@centurytel.net
1 edit | said by hottboiinnc :Okay well if you think that about the UK then why are the cell companies in Canada then GSM? The reason Canada is GSM is because that is what the companies chose to do the main parts of the mega-cities, once you hit the rural areas you do not have reception at all. Look at coverage maps, they are terrible.
Also the largest carrier, Rogers, is an at&t affiliate, which means they want to be able to make money from roaming at&t customers (charge the customer a lot, charge at&t a little, they share the profits... etc). |
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ohreally
@enta.net
| Perhaps you'll be able to do as we do...
I live in the UK.
It's certainly very nice to be able to switch network in seconds just by changing SIM cards (which are more than freely available), and being able to buy unlocked and unbranded handsets with no operator crap on them.
If only the frequencies were standardised - then you could get all the nice phones when we get them, and not months after and crippled. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to hottboiinnc
Re: doesn't mean anything
said by hottboiinnc :VZW having the better network on average?!?! According to WHO? JD Power? Okay well if you think that about the UK then why are the cell companies in Canada then GSM? Every other country for the most part is GSM except the USA where we still use CDMA technology for everyone except 2 providers. CDMA is an expensive technology and has outlived its lifetime. Instead of VZW and Sprint and Alltel banking their money on that and now waiting to build out they should have transferred everything to GSM. CDMA the multiple access/cell splitting method is superior to TDMA (GSM). There is a reason why 3G GSM uses CDMA the multiple access method. IS-95/CDMA2000 is newer (early 1990s vs early 1980s) than GSM, thats why its better.
The only problem with CDMA2000 is the control freak carriers in the USA. CDMA2000 does use SIM cards ( »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RUIM ) if carriers want to. CDMA2000 does use Java ( »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_PCS···osystems ) and open phones (any ESN works, eastern europe CDMAs I belive don't restrict phone choices) if carriers want to.
ATT is the largest provider in the USA to be GSM and it works for them. It also works for T-Mobile. GSM also has better quality as far as calls.
Call quality is subjective, on things like Vocoders. My and my friends opinion is dropped calls, and hearing someone elses conversation (crossed lines) on T-mobile GSM. When I call my GSM Tmobile friends, once or twice a month I get a totally different person for the same phone number, I hang up, call again instantly, and get my Tmobile friend. I've never had this happen, or ever heard of it on Sprint or Verizon.
We can also note that the US providers are also behind again. As to even TEST their LTE while Sprint is busy off building their network with Clearwire and other countries are busy building out their new networks as well.
What Clearwire network? Clearwire is on a death wish towards bankruptcy, burned 3/4 of its cash and only 2 wimax cities and 10 legacy never upgraded cities to show for it.
Clearwire has no backhaul, has no towers, and has no datacenters. The existing carriers have all of those, for them LTE is just slide in the card at the tower and an SQL Query to the database, and maybe time to order an upgrade for the loop from the ILEC or slide a new card in on the MW backhaul.
Even MetroPCS and Cricket are building faster than Clearwire. Pathetic. |
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